Did Saints reach for Florida State's Rick Leonard? Agent: New Orleans outmaneuvered competition
 

Did Saints reach for Florida State's Rick Leonard? Agent: New Orleans outmaneuvered competition

BY JOEL A. ERICKSON | JERICKSON@THEADVOCATE.COM
APR 30, 2018 - 1:52 PM

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The New Orleans Saints drew some criticism for drafting Florida State offensive tackle Rick Leonard in the fourth round on Saturday, primarily because several scouting services had tagged Leonard as a late-round prospect.

The NFL apparently disagreed with those rankings.

According to Brett Tessler, the agent who represents Leonard, the Saints' decision to draft Leonard at the end of the fourth round left a few teams at the top of the fifth taking his name off the board in frustration.

"The New Orleans Saints knew exactly what they were doing taking Rick Leonard... in the 4th round, because I spoke to a couple teams today who told me they definitely would have taken him in the 5th round if he was still there," Tessler wrote on his Twitter account on Monday.

Leonard, who opened his career at Florida State as a defensive end, has only played tackle for two seasons, and he started 19 games in that span.

New Orleans believes he can help right away.

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I know this happens quite often. I occasionally visit other team's forums to find out what's going on with their teams and to touch base with friends I have made on those sites over the years. In almost every year on every forum there are complaints posted by fans over where in the draft their front office has actually drafted a player. This is always based upon what the posters have read from some scouting service or other less than reliable source.

You have to consider that each NFL team has a department of personnel individuals whose primary responsibility is addressing the needs for their franchise in the short and long terms. They can commit lengthy time into investigating individuals that they feel could help their team. This includes personal meetings and workouts. They visit with the prospective player's coaches, families and community members. They pour over tons of tape, both available to the general public and that which is provided by the player's schools.

On the other hand, the aforementioned scouting services, and such, may have anywhere from one individual to most likely less than a dozen that are responsible for researching ALL needs, short and long term, for ALL 32 NFL teams which includes players that may only appeal to a handful of franchises in need of that certain skill set. It is not surprising that many players fall through the cracks when being researched by these concerns. They simply do not have the same resources to research as thoroughly as do all of the NFL franchises.

They will undoubtedly have prospects that will appear to fall greatly based upon their rankings and they will also experience players chosen well before what their sometimes "wild assed guesses" have implied. It has always happened ever since they became available and will continue to happen and they really don't care as long as they keep selling their subscriptions with their print ads and getting their online clicks.

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Shocked to hear an agent hyping his client.

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That doesn't make the statement less true nor does it lend any further credence to the so-called scouting services or media outlets that too many trusting fans rely upon as gospel. Any good agency would definitely share that information as it can help in future negotiations and they would be the ones that would most likely be aware of that information.

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Here we go again. Saw him play. Numerous times. Unless he's highly motivated, gets stronger, gets balanced, and coached up he'll contribute as a back-up in 2-3 yrs. SP said basically the same thing about him. Too much talent that would contribute in areas of need sitting at the spot at the time.

And aren't agents like defense attorneys anyways? I'd take their word as gospel, too.

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The whole point in drafting someone is so you pick a player you want and not risk them signing via FA to another team or fighting over a player in FA.

I seen a number of posts and articles about the reach for him but honestly if that is your guy you get him. You don't take a chance on someone else getting him. Just like the Brown snagging Baker at #1. Many say they could have got him with 4 but if he is your guy you take him. You don't take those chances.

Its hard to argue what Ireland has done the past couple of years. I really don't hate what they have done this year. Sitting back and getting a player at 27 they may not have felt would have come in and contribute as early as they would like so going after someone they feel could put them in a better position by all means do it. We aren't building a team at this point we are looking for pieces to get us to the next level.

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I feel the same way about future draft picks. While it may be a reach to give up a future picking spot to get a guy now, if the guy now can contribute now and fills a need now, why is it so critical to save future draft capital? Just look at what happened with Kamara last year. All that talent would have been somewhere else while the Saints sat on their #2 pick for this year.

If Davenport can be developed into a pro bowl DE, and can fill in for Okafor, or even better be a part of the Saints NASCAR package with Jordan, Rankins, and Okafor on obvious passing downs, then isn't that better than sitting on what is likely another bottom of the first round pick for next year?

SFIAH

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Jeff Ireland isn't stupid. He has enough irons in the fire to know when other team are showing interest in a player. He knows what teams worked Leonard out and he knows their needs. They took Leonard because they really liked him and they knew he wasn't going to be there past that pick.

As for Payton's view on Leonard, in his post draft interview he said about Leonard "right away I can see a jumbo role and I can see him compete as a gameday backup tackle". Get your facts straight.

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Likewise. I was expecting, "Just crazy man is all I can say. I'm totally splurging tonight. Taking him and my family out to the Golden Corral. Thought he might get picked up after a bunch of injuries."

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Still some growth b/c of lack of experience on offensive side of the ball. Didn't hear that part?

I said "basically" what SP said. Needs growth coupled with relatively little experience on OL.

Still don't like the pick at all with the amount of talented & experienced TEs, LBs & DTs on the board.

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TE's, LB's and DT's are nowhere near as needy as OL depth. If it wasn't for Kelemete we would have been a world of hurt the past couple of years. He's gone now as is Strief. OL depth was far more important top address. The addition of DeMario Davis in free agency greatly reduced the need for a LB via the draft. I expect Davis to have FAR more impact for the Saints defense than any LB outside of the first round. And we have a very competent rotation of DT's available especially with the addition of Davenport to draw the extra attention.

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I'm with stupid! :stupid:

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I think the part that is missing in all this is, where the Saints had players on there board. This is the thing we all have zero clue about. So if Leonard was higher on our board than others, we did the right thing. It may look bad to others but as far as the Saints concern, they followed there board and trusted the scouts who scouted the players.

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I've got something to leak and I'm getting old so I've got to run!

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I'm very thankful to get The Clapp with 7th Rd pick for that G/C depth. And we now have 5 OTs...Armstead, Ram, Peat, Bushrod, and Leonard. Since Slick Rick is a Saint, I only hope the best turn out for the kid.

However, I choose not to put complete blind optimistic faith in whatever our FO does. They've made amazing drafts/signings, but they've also made some really dumb ones, too. They're not the Almighty Infallible.

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And how many college OT's transition to OG? Quite a few. It is very common.

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SP said nothing to indicate he'd be an OG. But I'm done talking bout a 4th Rd pick. Everyone knows my opinion & my reasoning behind it. I'll spare the forum bickering bout a dude who hasn't even been on a Saints practice field. Hope he destroys my opinion for the good of the team.

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It was Leonard himself that mentioned Guard:

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Definitely a reach around, but he's on the squad so let's hope he's all pro

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He has been given a shot. That's all a man can ask for. It's up to him now.