One draft. How many starters?

GumboBC · 04-26-2005, 06:16 PM

Before the draft I said I hoped the Saints did "whatever it took" to move up and select DJ. And I had a reason for saying that. I felt - from what I had read - that DJ was the best LB in the draft and I felt LB was our biggest need.

The way I saw it ... if we came out of the draft with ONE impact player at a "need" position who could contribute right away ... then it would be a good draft.

However, since learning more about DJ and seeing him play ... I don't think as highly of DJ. Not saying he isn't going to be good ... I'm just not sold on him. But that's another conversation!!

Right now I have something else I want to know.

Going into the draft ... how many players should we expect to make an immediate impact? And I'm talking about a real "impact" player!! Not a part-time starter!!

I think if you come out of the draft with ONE "impact" player then you've hit a home run.

Just think about all of the 1st round picks who never work out. Or just think about all the 1st round draft picks who take 2 or 3 years to make a REAL impact.

And we don't even want to talk about how many 2nd round picks don't contribute in their 1st year. Or who take a 2 or 3 years before they are ready.

And the 3rd and lower round picks? Sure, there's some guys who are in the hall-of-fame who were selected in the lower rounds. But do you really want to count on those guys making an immediate impact in their 1st year?

Jammal Brown looks like a great pick. But not only that .. he looks like a guy who is going to make an immediate impact THIS year.

Enough rambling!!

Realistically speaking ... How many immediate impact players should we have gotten in ONE draft?

[Edited on 26/4/2005 by GumboBC]

FireVenturi · 04-26-2005, 07:26 PM

two starters
brown and fincher this year
mcpherson eventually
bullocks and jefferson maybe one day
Lymon never
Verdon role player

TheDeuce · 04-26-2005, 07:29 PM

3 starters, but 2 of them for the NFL\'s worst defense (Bullocks and Fincher).

Brown will obviously start, I\'m pretty sure Fincher will, and I see Bullocks being our SS before the season starts.

GumboBC · 04-26-2005, 07:29 PM

I\'m really not asking how many starters we got out of this draft.

What I\'m asking is when a team goes into the draft how many immediate impact players should they get?

Did we go in this draft realistically thinking we were going to get 2 immediate impact players?

Or 3? Not me!! I was just hoping to get ONE guy who was going to make an immediate impact on our team in his first year. Everything else after that was gravy to me.

Now, later on down the road I expect some of the other guys to make an impact.

FireVenturi · 04-26-2005, 07:31 PM

Not saying i disagree, but i thought everyone was sayin that Bullocks was to small for SS. Didn\'t D Smith play some SS in Tampa.

TheDeuce · 04-26-2005, 07:34 PM

FV, I think that I have heard that Bullocks would be too small for a conventional SS role, but the scheme that the Saints have is a little different and calls for two coverage guys. Maybe I\'m wrong, who knows? I still might like to see Bullocks at FS, and see Dwight go back to CB where he wants to play. But I\'m sure that won\'t happen.

Anyways, back to the thread, I was thinking that we were going to go after two players that we knew would be starters to address the LB, DT, OL, or CB situation. After picking Brown, I was 99% sure that we would take Burnett, a guy who could come in and start right away for our awful linebacking corps. Boy was I wrong

FireVenturi · 04-26-2005, 07:37 PM

FV, I think that I have heard that Bullocks would be too small for a conventional SS role, but the scheme that the Saints have is a little different and calls for two coverage guys. Maybe I\'m wrong, who knows? I still might like to see Bullocks at FS, and see Dwight go back to CB where he wants to play. But I\'m sure that won\'t happen.

Anyways, back to the thread, I was thinking that we were going to go after two players that we knew would be starters to address the LB, DT, OL, or CB situation. After picking Brown, I was 99% sure that we would take Burnett, a guy who could come in and start right away for our awful linebacking corps. Boy was I wrong

and i wish u would have been right, at #40 i was screaming BURNETT!! what a value and need pick that would have been, but this BUllocks is a heckuva playa witha heckuva upside!!!!

FireVenturi · 04-26-2005, 07:37 PM

FV, I think that I have heard that Bullocks would be too small for a conventional SS role, but the scheme that the Saints have is a little different and calls for two coverage guys. Maybe I\'m wrong, who knows? I still might like to see Bullocks at FS, and see Dwight go back to CB where he wants to play. But I\'m sure that won\'t happen.

Anyways, back to the thread, I was thinking that we were going to go after two players that we knew would be starters to address the LB, DT, OL, or CB situation. After picking Brown, I was 99% sure that we would take Burnett, a guy who could come in and start right away for our awful linebacking corps. Boy was I wrong

and i wish u would have been right, at #40 i was screaming BURNETT!! what a value and need pick that would have been, but this BUllocks is a heckuva playa witha heckuva upside!!!!

TheDeuce · 04-26-2005, 07:39 PM

True, two BALLHAWKS at safety sounds good to me. For once, even though now it\'s our LBs, it is really nice to have a solid secondary. McKenzie, Dwight Smith, Bullocks, and Fakhir. That\'s pretty damned solid.

FireVenturi · 04-26-2005, 07:40 PM

good point, but can we stop the run?????

04-26-2005, 06:16 PM	#1
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	One draft. How many starters? Before the draft I said I hoped the Saints did "whatever it took" to move up and select DJ. And I had a reason for saying that. I felt - from what I had read - that DJ was the best LB in the draft and I felt LB was our biggest need. The way I saw it ... if we came out of the draft with ONE impact player at a "need" position who could contribute right away ... then it would be a good draft. However, since learning more about DJ and seeing him play ... I don't think as highly of DJ. Not saying he isn't going to be good ... I'm just not sold on him. But that's another conversation!! Right now I have something else I want to know. Going into the draft ... how many players should we expect to make an immediate impact? And I'm talking about a real "impact" player!! Not a part-time starter!! I think if you come out of the draft with ONE "impact" player then you've hit a home run. Just think about all of the 1st round picks who never work out. Or just think about all the 1st round draft picks who take 2 or 3 years to make a REAL impact. And we don't even want to talk about how many 2nd round picks don't contribute in their 1st year. Or who take a 2 or 3 years before they are ready. And the 3rd and lower round picks? Sure, there's some guys who are in the hall-of-fame who were selected in the lower rounds. But do you really want to count on those guys making an immediate impact in their 1st year? Jammal Brown looks like a great pick. But not only that .. he looks like a guy who is going to make an immediate impact THIS year. Enough rambling!! Realistically speaking ... How many immediate impact players should we have gotten in ONE draft? [Edited on 26/4/2005 by GumboBC]
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04-26-2005, 07:26 PM	#2
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	One draft. How many starters? two starters brown and fincher this year mcpherson eventually bullocks and jefferson maybe one day Lymon never Verdon role player

04-26-2005, 07:29 PM	#3
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	One draft. How many starters? 3 starters, but 2 of them for the NFL\'s worst defense (Bullocks and Fincher). Brown will obviously start, I\'m pretty sure Fincher will, and I see Bullocks being our SS before the season starts.
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04-26-2005, 07:29 PM	#4
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	One draft. How many starters? I\'m really not asking how many starters we got out of this draft. What I\'m asking is when a team goes into the draft how many immediate impact players should they get? Did we go in this draft realistically thinking we were going to get 2 immediate impact players? Or 3? Not me!! I was just hoping to get ONE guy who was going to make an immediate impact on our team in his first year. Everything else after that was gravy to me. Now, later on down the road I expect some of the other guys to make an impact.
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04-26-2005, 07:31 PM	#5
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	One draft. How many starters? Not saying i disagree, but i thought everyone was sayin that Bullocks was to small for SS. Didn\'t D Smith play some SS in Tampa.

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04-26-2005, 07:34 PM	#6
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	One draft. How many starters? FV, I think that I have heard that Bullocks would be too small for a conventional SS role, but the scheme that the Saints have is a little different and calls for two coverage guys. Maybe I\'m wrong, who knows? I still might like to see Bullocks at FS, and see Dwight go back to CB where he wants to play. But I\'m sure that won\'t happen. Anyways, back to the thread, I was thinking that we were going to go after two players that we knew would be starters to address the LB, DT, OL, or CB situation. After picking Brown, I was 99% sure that we would take Burnett, a guy who could come in and start right away for our awful linebacking corps. Boy was I wrong
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04-26-2005, 07:37 PM	#7
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	One draft. How many starters? FV, I think that I have heard that Bullocks would be too small for a conventional SS role, but the scheme that the Saints have is a little different and calls for two coverage guys. Maybe I\'m wrong, who knows? I still might like to see Bullocks at FS, and see Dwight go back to CB where he wants to play. But I\'m sure that won\'t happen. Anyways, back to the thread, I was thinking that we were going to go after two players that we knew would be starters to address the LB, DT, OL, or CB situation. After picking Brown, I was 99% sure that we would take Burnett, a guy who could come in and start right away for our awful linebacking corps. Boy was I wrong and i wish u would have been right, at #40 i was screaming BURNETT!! what a value and need pick that would have been, but this BUllocks is a heckuva playa witha heckuva upside!!!!

04-26-2005, 07:39 PM	#9
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	One draft. How many starters? True, two BALLHAWKS at safety sounds good to me. For once, even though now it\'s our LBs, it is really nice to have a solid secondary. McKenzie, Dwight Smith, Bullocks, and Fakhir. That\'s pretty damned solid.
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04-26-2005, 07:40 PM	#10
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	One draft. How many starters? good point, but can we stop the run?????