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For the better part of my time here at B&G I have heard some of you say that the Saints always go after guys who can run fast and are great athletes but they just aren't great "football" guys.

Many of you bashed Haslett and Loomis for drafting guys who could run like the wind but can't catch a football or tackle anyone.

You guys said the Saints go after players who lack "intangibles" and "football" smarts.


Take a look at our 1st three draft picks. They're everything you ever wanted as far as the things you've said you wanted.

No props for the draft picks?

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Brown, good pick, Bullocks reach, Fincher reach. Why do we have to give props? Who knows what these guys are gonna do? I give props for Deuce, I give props for LeCharles, Grant, Howard, Smith. I don\'t know if Bullocks or Fincher will ever see anything but special teams. Props for Brown though. And props for taking a flyer on McPherson. That enough props?

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whodi --

You weren\'t around here for the last few drafts. Many folks here bashed the \"type\" of players Haslett drafted.

Haslett and co. have brought in \"raw\" athletes who can run fast but lack \"football\" smarts. At least that\'s what I\'ve been told.

It has been said many times that Haslettt needs to stop worring about some players 40-time and concentrate on getting players who have proven they can play their position. You know ... draft guys like the Patriots who have \"football\" smarts.

Bill Parcells thinks Alfred Fincher is going to be a good one.

We know Jammal Brown will be?

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I don\'t know Jamaal Brown will be. I know he has the best chance of being good out of anyone we drafted. People knew Ryan Leaf and Tony Mandarich were gonna be. Things happen. But he is by far the most solid pick. Had they picked Burnett in the second, I would have given them more props than they could handle.

And you are right, I wasn\'t around for those other drafts, but I watched them, and it seemed we had a certain MO. I am glad we got some football players, now hoepfully they play some football.

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#2 rated safety in the draft? Reach? OK maybe he should have gone 46 instead of 40. Right! What a reach!

Fincher? Nothing but special teams? Yea Right. Based on what? Our stellar talent in front of him?

\"Who knows what these guys are gonna do?\"
That can be said about EVERY draft pick on the planet. Whats your point?

But you give props to an overweight out of shape injury prone quitter?
That make sense.

You give props to a guy you\'ve screamed about trading for six months now? OK. Thats consistent.

Billy made an extremely valid point. (although I made it in an earlier post, but NBD)
This staff has seemingly been enamoured with measurables for several years. They pick some good \"football players\" and few seem satisfied. Even though these same football players have pretty damn good measurables to start with. :casstet:

Admitting you don\'t know, and then claiming this guy\'s a \"reach\" or declaring they\'re bound for special teams sounds like playing both sides to me. Or perhaps you have issues with the poster that brought up a very solid observation...

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Your opinion is that they aren\'t a reach? Danno. Danno the thinks certain guys are not a reach. Great Danno. Why do you give a flip what my opinion is and who I give props to? I give props to PROVEN players that were drafted. How is that inconsistent?Randy Moss was traded, should I no longer give the Vikes props for picking him? What the hell does wanting to trade a player have to do with giving them props? I said I give props to Brown cause I believe he has the best chance to be a proven starter. How is that inconsistent? How is anything I posted anything personal to Gumbo? He didn\'t take it that way.

On who\'s board was Bullocks the number two safety? I saw Shazor on many and he wasn\'t even drafted.

I said I don\'t know if Fincher could be anything but special teams, thanks for talking loud saying nothing and reading wrong. Do you have a crystal ball that says he will be super terrific? Do you just think he is dreamy? Either way, I don\'t , and are looking for an argument where there was none. This is about the most civil convo Gumbo and I have probably had in a while. But oh no can\'t have that huh Danno? Better to see something started where there is nothing. Rather see me and Gumbo argue huh? You\'re a great guy Danno.



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I asked nicely!

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None of them have proven themselves in the NFL yet, regardless of where the played college ball or what round they were drafted. I do agree this was a little less risky draft than prior ones. All the guys are sayin is, normally we go after an extreme athlete more than an accomplished football player. All the other guys are saying is that by the looks of this draft, our FO is finally changing their idea of how to draft ballplayers for the club. That\'s all. Everyone on this thread chill out

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The thing is, everything was chill, until decided it shouldn\'t be. That\'s not cool when you are just trying to have a convo with someone you don\'t normally get along with.

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Sounded like Whodi was the one mouthing off about reaches to me.

LMAO

What big talk?

It was on Fox Sports main draft page. I printed it out for the draft. Want me to fax you the page?

Do you have a crystal ball that says he won\'t?

From the venom your spewing it sure sounds like you do.

Take a valium.

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So basically. you didn\'t want to continue a civil conversation, you wanted to attack and antagonize? Well you did your job. Statements like these: did nothing but deteriorate this whole conversation. So congrats Danno, you ruined a civil thread. Do you win a prize?

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Hey Mods, any news on the Therapists and Mediators we requested for after the draft???? I think we need a member who is involved in couseling or something, cuz things be gettin crazy here at BNG.net

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It didn\'t come out smooth, but Bullocks is the 4th rated safety on this board. ESPN Insider.

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So, he was rated behind
Davis, who\'s actually a LB
Pool, who was the 1st taken
and Shazor, who wasn\'t even drafted.

Who rates the insider players? Randy Meuller? LMAO.

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Against my better judgment, I\'m going to post on this thread.

Brown-- marvelous pick. I\'m all in favor of a power running game and Brown will be huge in helping us do it. Honestly, I wanted DJ if we were going to move up. But it seemed funny to me to try and put Mayberry at Tackle. Even if DJ becomes a regular pro-bowler, Brown will be well worth taking if we can average 4 ypc in the ground game.

Bullock-- I don\'t get this pick. I agree with Billy, that the guy is a football guy with good talent around the ball and isn\'t just a track star. I don\'t get why we sign a FS in free agency and then draft a FS in round 2. Additionally, Bullock is very good playing zone. He isn\'t a heavy hitter, doesn\'t seem to be great in run support. This isn\'t such a big deal if both of our corners weren\'t so good playing man coverage. Doesn\'t seem to be a good match for the talents of our corners, good for depth, but I don\'t see him starting this season.

I think we\'ll regret taking Thurman in this spot.

Fincher-- optimistic about this pick?--My gut feeling is that this guy is Ruff-2. But he did lead the big east in tackles and seems to have tons of heart and intangibles. He\'s probably more intelligent and has more football savvy than all of our other linebackers, so I\'m optimistic. I hope he plays better than all the other LB\'s we\'ve taken in round 3 under Haslett.

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You guys are going to force me to lock this thread!

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Best time of the year to be a Saints fan is in between April and August...

Anything can happen then.

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I am sorry you would have to do that Joe. But one question, can you show me the exact point the tone of the thread changed? Seems like one member came in and ASSumed that my opinions were only an attempt to disagree with Gumbo, when we were having the most civil discussion I remember in a while. So based on that ASSumption, this member created a hostile post, and tried to fan the flames of discord between myself and Gumbo. Now again I have to wonder, is it because of this member\'s long time status here that his posts escaped editing while mine were? Especially since the thread was quite civil until this poster\'s ASSumption.

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I think Whodi deserves an answer to his question, mods. There is much truth to what he is saying. Why are certain people allowed to antagonize while others aren\'t?

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Wait a second Billy - I thought Parcells didn\'t know his a$$hole from a hole in the ground... right?

I mean, the Cowboys sucked last year, didn\'t they? Haslett knows more about football, right?

How can you ever use Parcells to support an opinion when you have attacked the guy for two years?

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How about you show me where I was any more antagonistic or condescending than Whodi.

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Frankly, I don\'t give a good :censored: who started it. I just want the attacks ended! End of story!!! :shock:

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I agree with that 100% Joe. That\'s why I think we should visit the point where the attack began in this thread. But nevermind. I have been forewarned and forewarned about how some members are free to do as the please around here, and I keep hoping it will change. But it won\'t. So I am glad the \"elite\" get to freely antagonize other members and we just have to suffer it and not respond, or if we repsond get edited and or told to leave. If this is an exclusive club, new members should be told that up front so they know not to expect a fair shake.

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awww here we go again. The horse has been beaten to death already, and then some. Just let it go. Now we have the same situation at a couple weeks ago, where shadowdrinker vowed that JoeSam was the anti-christ and how he(shadowdrinker) would never show his face around here again. Correct me if im wrong, but i\'ve seen a couple posts of his since then. Anyway, lock the damn thread so this will finally die down. BTW, its cuz BNG.net is racist!hehe

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Where there\'s smoke.............................