Mark Ingram Suspended Four Games(Update: Appeal denied)

AsylumGuido · 05-09-2018, 09:40 AM

Originally Posted by CheramieIII

They may just alternate Edmunds and Scott? Ingram is a dumbarse for doing it. It's not like he didn't know he would get caught.

It doesn't appear to be anything nefarious. It was something that falls under Therapeutic Use Exemptions. That could be something like Rogaine for male pattern baldness.

SmashMouth · 05-09-2018, 09:41 AM

SmashMouth · 05-09-2018, 09:58 AM

The first part of the defense, that the substance is “permissible with the proper use exemption,” doesn’t mean much. If Ingram had the proper use exemption, the NFL wouldn’t have moved to suspend him in the first place. All sorts of banned performance-enhancing substances, from Adderall to testosterone to human growth hormone, can be prescribed by doctors and used legally. But that doesn’t mean that a player who tests positive for them without having first obtained a therapeutic use exemption is going to get anywhere by noting after the fact that he theoretically could have used the substance legally.

The second part of the defense, that Ingram “has vigorously challenged the test results,” would seem contradictory with the first defense. If Ingram is going to claim he was using the banned substance for a therapeutic reason, then there would be no need to challenge the test results because he would readily admit that the substance was in his body. If Ingram is claiming that the test was invalid and he didn’t use the substance, then what difference does it make if he could have used it with a proper use exemption?

An arbitrator’s ruling is expected within a week. Unless there’s more to Ingram’s appeal than his agents’ statement suggests, it’s hard to see him avoiding the suspension. Ingram was the leading rusher for the Saints last season but is reportedly unhappy with his contract and not planning to participate in voluntary offseason work.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ned-substance/

AsylumGuido · 05-09-2018, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

The first part of the defense, that the substance is “permissible with the proper use exemption,” doesn’t mean much. If Ingram had the proper use exemption, the NFL wouldn’t have moved to suspend him in the first place. All sorts of banned performance-enhancing substances, from Adderall to testosterone to human growth hormone, can be prescribed by doctors and used legally. But that doesn’t mean that a player who tests positive for them without having first obtained a therapeutic use exemption is going to get anywhere by noting after the fact that he theoretically could have used the substance legally.

The second part of the defense, that Ingram “has vigorously challenged the test results,” would seem contradictory with the first defense. If Ingram is going to claim he was using the banned substance for a therapeutic reason, then there would be no need to challenge the test results because he would readily admit that the substance was in his body. If Ingram is claiming that the test was invalid and he didn’t use the substance, then what difference does it make if he could have used it with a proper use exemption?

An arbitrator’s ruling is expected within a week. Unless there’s more to Ingram’s appeal than his agents’ statement suggests, it’s hard to see him avoiding the suspension. Ingram was the leading rusher for the Saints last season but is reportedly unhappy with his contract and not planning to participate in voluntary offseason work.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ned-substance/

Consider the source on that one, Michael David Smith. A Chicago based blogger with no legal expertise. Once again, let's wait and see. If a suspension does come down it doesn't mean it was anything of an egregious nature.

jeanpierre · 05-09-2018, 10:05 AM

Here's Ingram's camp's first public response...

Update: Apologies Chris, saw you posted this - guess this thread is really hot this a.m. - life moving fast in the B&G...

papz · 05-09-2018, 10:10 AM

In a statement, Ingram's agent said his client had a "proper use exemption" for the substance which Ingram tested positive. "At the end of the 2017 season, as a result of a NFL mandated random drug test, Mark tested positive for a substance that was not a performance enhancing substance, nor an illegal substance, but a substance in fact permissible with the proper use exemption with the NFL," Ingram's agent said. A decision from an arbitrator is due by May 16.

Source: New Orleans Times-Picayune

Garry42 · 05-09-2018, 10:41 AM

Hope this all works out for Ingram.....we need him the first 4 games. If his Agent's statement is correct, it seems very unusual it would have gotten to the point of handing down a suspension. Something tells me that the truth, as always, is somewhere in the middle. Guess we wait to hear from the arbitrator.....

Danno · 05-09-2018, 10:49 AM

Its disappointing that so many people assumed Mark was snortin coke, smokin crack, and shootin roids all at the same time.

AsylumGuido · 05-09-2018, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Its disappointing that so many people assumed Mark was snortin coke, smokin crack, and shootin roids all at the same time.

Yes it is. Not surprising, but very disappointing.

K Major · 05-09-2018, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Its disappointing that so many people assumed Mark was snortin coke, smokin crack, and shootin roids all at the same time.

Character assassination...

Tough crowd

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05-09-2018, 09:40 AM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Mark Ingram Suspended Four Games Originally Posted by CheramieIII They may just alternate Edmunds and Scott? Ingram is a dumbarse for doing it. It's not like he didn't know he would get caught. It doesn't appear to be anything nefarious. It was something that falls under Therapeutic Use Exemptions. That could be something like Rogaine for male pattern baldness.

05-09-2018, 09:41 AM	#2
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,794 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Mark Ingram Suspended Four Games Rugby Saint II likes this.

05-09-2018, 09:58 AM	#3
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,794 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Mark Ingram Suspended Four Games The first part of the defense, that the substance is “permissible with the proper use exemption,” doesn’t mean much. If Ingram had the proper use exemption, the NFL wouldn’t have moved to suspend him in the first place. All sorts of banned performance-enhancing substances, from Adderall to testosterone to human growth hormone, can be prescribed by doctors and used legally. But that doesn’t mean that a player who tests positive for them without having first obtained a therapeutic use exemption is going to get anywhere by noting after the fact that he theoretically could have used the substance legally. The second part of the defense, that Ingram “has vigorously challenged the test results,” would seem contradictory with the first defense. If Ingram is going to claim he was using the banned substance for a therapeutic reason, then there would be no need to challenge the test results because he would readily admit that the substance was in his body. If Ingram is claiming that the test was invalid and he didn’t use the substance, then what difference does it make if he could have used it with a proper use exemption? An arbitrator’s ruling is expected within a week. Unless there’s more to Ingram’s appeal than his agents’ statement suggests, it’s hard to see him avoiding the suspension. Ingram was the leading rusher for the Saints last season but is reportedly unhappy with his contract and not planning to participate in voluntary offseason work. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ned-substance/ jeanpierre likes this.

05-09-2018, 10:09 AM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Mark Ingram Suspended Four Games Originally Posted by SmashMouth The first part of the defense, that the substance is “permissible with the proper use exemption,” doesn’t mean much. If Ingram had the proper use exemption, the NFL wouldn’t have moved to suspend him in the first place. All sorts of banned performance-enhancing substances, from Adderall to testosterone to human growth hormone, can be prescribed by doctors and used legally. But that doesn’t mean that a player who tests positive for them without having first obtained a therapeutic use exemption is going to get anywhere by noting after the fact that he theoretically could have used the substance legally. The second part of the defense, that Ingram “has vigorously challenged the test results,” would seem contradictory with the first defense. If Ingram is going to claim he was using the banned substance for a therapeutic reason, then there would be no need to challenge the test results because he would readily admit that the substance was in his body. If Ingram is claiming that the test was invalid and he didn’t use the substance, then what difference does it make if he could have used it with a proper use exemption? An arbitrator’s ruling is expected within a week. Unless there’s more to Ingram’s appeal than his agents’ statement suggests, it’s hard to see him avoiding the suspension. Ingram was the leading rusher for the Saints last season but is reportedly unhappy with his contract and not planning to participate in voluntary offseason work. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ned-substance/ Consider the source on that one, Michael David Smith. A Chicago based blogger with no legal expertise. Once again, let's wait and see. If a suspension does come down it doesn't mean it was anything of an egregious nature.

05-09-2018, 10:05 AM	#5
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Mark Ingram Suspended Four Games Here's Ingram's camp's first public response... Twitter Update: Apologies Chris, saw you posted this - guess this thread is really hot this a.m. - life moving fast in the B&G...

05-09-2018, 10:10 AM	#6
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,793	Re: Mark Ingram Suspended Four Games In a statement, Ingram's agent said his client had a "proper use exemption" for the substance which Ingram tested positive. "At the end of the 2017 season, as a result of a NFL mandated random drug test, Mark tested positive for a substance that was not a performance enhancing substance, nor an illegal substance, but a substance in fact permissible with the proper use exemption with the NFL," Ingram's agent said. A decision from an arbitrator is due by May 16. Source: New Orleans Times-Picayune jeanpierre and darksoul35 like this.

05-09-2018, 10:41 AM	#7
Garry42 Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Edmonton, Canada Posts: 785	Re: Mark Ingram Suspended Four Games Hope this all works out for Ingram.....we need him the first 4 games. If his Agent's statement is correct, it seems very unusual it would have gotten to the point of handing down a suspension. Something tells me that the truth, as always, is somewhere in the middle. Guess we wait to hear from the arbitrator.....

05-09-2018, 10:49 AM	#8
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,756	Re: Mark Ingram Suspended Four Games Its disappointing that so many people assumed Mark was snortin coke, smokin crack, and shootin roids all at the same time. darksoul35 and K Major like this.

05-09-2018, 11:00 AM	#9
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Mark Ingram Suspended Four Games Originally Posted by Danno Its disappointing that so many people assumed Mark was snortin coke, smokin crack, and shootin roids all at the same time. Yes it is. Not surprising, but very disappointing.

05-09-2018, 11:17 AM	#10
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,830 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Mark Ingram Suspended Four Games Originally Posted by Danno Its disappointing that so many people assumed Mark was snortin coke, smokin crack, and shootin roids all at the same time. Character assassination... Tough crowd .

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