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AsylumGuido 05-09-2018 04:36 PM

Saint's Mark Ingram 'vigorously challenged' suspension, but lost case, lawyer says
 
Saint's Mark Ingram 'vigorously challenged' suspension, but lost case, lawyer says

By Nick Underhill May 9, 2018 Updated 2 hrs ago

Mark Ingram’s camp contends the substance that led to a positive drug test was not illegal and would have been approved with an exemption from the NFL.

The running back’s agency released a statement via general counsel David W. Jones saying they “vigorously challenged the test results through the arbitration process,” though Ingram lost the case and will be suspended for the first four games on the NFL season.

Ingram’s camp will receive the written ruling on or before May 16, at which point the statement says he will “explore what further options are needed.”

Ingram failed a random drug test at the end of the 2017 season, violating the league’s policy on performance-enhancing drugs. Players can take certain banned substances if they go through the proper channels and submit a therapeutic use exemption to the NFL. Ingram was suspended because he did not go through the process.

With Ingram missing the first four games of the season, New Orleans will likely turn heavily toward Alvin Kamara to carry the load, with players like Jonathan Williams, Trey Edmunds and Boston Scott picking up some of the slack.

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AsylumGuido 05-09-2018 04:42 PM

Re: Saint's Mark Ingram 'vigorously challenged' suspension, but lost case, lawyer says
 
This leads me to further believe my theory that Ingram's agent had somehow screwed up in the application of the TUE which resulted in his firing by Ingram. The lawyer shared with Underwood the TUE process which would not be relevant unless it was involved in the ruling in some manner.

This is going to get far more interesting.

spkb25 05-09-2018 05:50 PM

Re: Saint's Mark Ingram 'vigorously challenged' suspension, but lost case, lawyer says
 
This is the rsult of a coach refusing to show the team Patrick Swayze in Red Dawn so they can learn to be honorable men.

SmashMouth 05-09-2018 08:01 PM

Re: Saint's Mark Ingram 'vigorously challenged' suspension, but lost case, lawyer says
 
Simply ask yourselves this:

WWBBD ... What Would Bill Belichek Do?


I think we all know the answer! :popcorn:

SmashMouth 05-10-2018 01:27 AM

Re: Saint's Mark Ingram 'vigorously challenged' suspension, but lost case, lawyer says
 
No worries.... Boston Scott will fill in nicely... maybe even take his job.

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AsylumGuido 05-10-2018 06:44 AM

Re: Saint's Mark Ingram 'vigorously challenged' suspension, but lost case, lawyer says
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 801733)
Simply ask yourselves this:

WWBBD ... What Would Bill Belichek Do?


I think we all know the answer! :popcorn:

Once again, it would depend upon the circumstances.

Beastmode 05-10-2018 08:34 AM

Re: Saint's Mark Ingram 'vigorously challenged' suspension, but lost case, lawyer says
 
Scott is Sproles. Won't have the same success as Ingram busting tackles and won't be the RB2. He'll be delegated to mostly ST for now. Tea leaves, we lean on Edmunds.

K Major 05-10-2018 08:48 AM

Re: Saint's Mark Ingram 'vigorously challenged' suspension, but lost case, lawyer says
 
I don't see the Sproles comparison with Boston just yet. Kind of shifty and elusive like Jacquizz Rodgers.
See what he can do on special teams and go from there.

The NFL is a different animal.

Rugby Saint II 05-10-2018 11:19 AM

Re: Saint's Mark Ingram 'vigorously challenged' suspension, but lost case, lawyer says
 
I bet he vigorously fought this. This is really going to hurt his contract negotiations.

neugey 05-10-2018 11:37 AM

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Woohoo, they fought vigorously. Get them a cookie :)

vpheughan 05-10-2018 11:45 AM

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"VIGOROUSLY", THERE'S THE ISSUE! HE SHOULD HAVE "ROBUSTLY"
CHALLENGED!!"

AsylumGuido 05-10-2018 12:05 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 801788)
I bet he vigorously fought this. This is really going to hurt his contract negotiations.

It will depend upon the circumstances. That said, this whole deal about Ingram wanting a new deal is fabricated. When he fired his manager (which by the way was immediately after he was first informed of the "violation') there was some speculation that it was to better bargain for a new deal. That speculation was picked up by others and spread about. It transformed into him demanding a new deal. That's why I have always said never just read the headlines. I'd say 90% of the time if you track back through the so called "sources" in the articles it will end up being started by one person speculating.

Beastmode 05-10-2018 12:52 PM

Re: Saint's Mark Ingram 'vigorously challenged' suspension, but lost case, lawyer says
 
Think our bye is week 6. I don't think he would comeback immediately either. Pretty much a death sentence to his season. I guess he could turn it around but I thought the same with Snead. Never happened but he did have an injury as well.

AsylumGuido 05-10-2018 01:02 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 801817)
Think our bye is week 6. I don't think he would comeback immediately either. Pretty much a death sentence to his season. I guess he could turn it around but I thought the same with Snead. Never happened but he did have an injury as well.

Snead was hurt and came back over-weight. There is also a huge difference between WR's and RB's in preparation. More more timing with the QB required as a WR. Personally, I doubt Ingram skips a beat when he returns. I think he'll be angry and hungry.

MatthewT 05-10-2018 02:05 PM

Re: Saint's Mark Ingram 'vigorously challenged' suspension, but lost case, lawyer says
 
Golden opportunity to see if Alvin Kamara can be a 3 down back. A guy this talented should get the opportunity to at least try. As for Ingram, he will be a nice addition in week 5 with his fresh legs.

AsylumGuido 05-10-2018 02:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MatthewT (Post 801821)
Golden opportunity to see if Alvin Kamara can be a 3 down back. A guy this talented should get the opportunity to at least try. As for Ingram, he will be a nice addition in week 5 with his fresh legs.

Strief said today while being interviewed on NFL Radio that he doesn't expect Kamara to see much more, if any more, touches than normal. He said that another RB (from the current roster) will step in and take the touches that Ingram would miss. He said he knows they'll stay with the same offense with the backs splitting time.

K Major 05-10-2018 02:29 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MatthewT (Post 801821)
Golden opportunity to see if Alvin Kamara can be a 3 down back. A guy this talented should get the opportunity to at least try.

I hope not. Defensive coordinators have tape on AK now. Having him as your "3 down back" aka featured back ... chances go way up on getting him injured. Very risky. Only a handful of 3 down guys (Bell, Zeke & Gurley) are out there.

AK is much more effective in the dual offense. The absence of MI for the first few weeks will be felt.

voodooido 05-10-2018 02:50 PM

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Don't let this distract you from the fact that in 1966, Al Bundy scored four touchdowns in a single game while playing for the Polk High School Panthers in the 1966 city championship game versus Andrew Johnson High School, including the game-winning touchdown in the final seconds against his old nemesis, "Spare Tire" Dixon.

Beastmode 05-10-2018 03:00 PM

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AK will see a slight uptick in touches. If whoever fills in does a great job MI will be riding the pine or traded. No way are we going to tinker with it.

AsylumGuido 05-10-2018 03:18 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 801828)
AK will see a slight uptick in touches. If whoever fills in does a great job MI will be riding the pine or traded. No way are we going to tinker with it.

No way Ingram rides the bench. Ingram knows that offense FAR too well. I have a feeling you are less enamored by Mark than is Payton.

Beastmode 05-10-2018 03:21 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 801829)
No way Ingram rides the bench. Ingram knows that offense FAR too well. I have a feeling you are less enamored by Mark than is Payton.

Peyton knew in training camp Kamara was going to work out much better than Peterson but he went with the numbers. If the numbers are already there by week 5 he will do it again. MI won't be on the field or not much in week 5 if the numbers are already there.

AsylumGuido 05-10-2018 03:37 PM

Re: Saint's Mark Ingram 'vigorously challenged' suspension, but lost case, lawyer says
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 801830)
Peyton knew in training camp Kamara was going to work out much better than Peterson but he went with the numbers. If the numbers are already there by week 5 he will do it again. MI won't be on the field or not much in week 5 if the numbers are already there.

Payton also knows EXACTLY what he can gets from Ingram which makes it easy for him to get in there right away. If that replacement back is producing you can count on all three of them being there. And by producing I mean being able to run every formation just like Ingram and Kamara. That is the key to the Saints' offense. Interchangeability. That's why I am expecting to see Boston Scott. He can run inside, outside and contribute in the passing game. Just like Kamara. Just like Ingram.

Beastmode 05-10-2018 03:47 PM

Re: Saint's Mark Ingram 'vigorously challenged' suspension, but lost case, lawyer says
 
He did something that hurt the team. He is also jabbering about money at the worst possible time. I don't think it's going to work out. If someone else catches fire he will not be playing. If injuries mount up on other teams he will be traded for a damn good price if that team is in the hunt. I think he will be traded probably regardless though. Should have been done already. We are going to get back into the 1st round one way or another.

AsylumGuido 05-10-2018 05:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 801832)
He did something that hurt the team. He is also jabbering about money at the worst possible time. I don't think it's going to work out. If someone else catches fire he will not be playing. If injuries mount up on other teams he will be traded for a damn good price if that team is in the hunt. I think he will be traded probably regardless though. Should have been done already. We are going to get back into the 1st round one way or another.

Do you ever read replies? Ingram has not "jabbered" about money. When he fired his agent immediately after the violation someone "speculated" that it was to bargain for a new deal. Try reading more than headline, Beast.


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