ESPN: Saints' Mark Ingram skipping OTAs until veteran minicamp, coach Sean Payton says

Rugby Saint II · 05-11-2018, 01:04 PM

I thought Ingram was smarter than to get busted.....I definitely thought he would have better timing after his suspension.
To quote Hagan "Sometimes I just stare and wonder why".

AsylumGuido · 05-11-2018, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I thought Ingram was smarter than to get busted.....I definitely thought he would have better timing after his suspension.
To quote Hagan "Sometimes I just stare and wonder why".

You don't even know why he was "busted"? If it was out of his control there would have been nothing he could do.

And better timing for what? He isn't holding out if that's what you are talking about. There was speculation that he might hold out a couple of months ago when he fired his agent. That was LONG before the suspension was announce and even then was nothing but speculation as the reason for firing his agent.

AsylumGuido · 05-11-2018, 01:21 PM

And even if Ingram does, indeed, continue to workout on his own until mandatory OTA's it isn't that egregious. With the hoopla surrounding this whole suspension ordeal it would probably be best for all concerned.

Once again, I say wait and see.

jeanpierre · 05-11-2018, 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

And even if Ingram does, indeed, continue to workout on his own until mandatory OTA's it isn't that egregious. With the hoopla surrounding this whole suspension ordeal it would probably be best for all concerned.

Once again, I say wait and see.

Disagree. Two points - first, I would want my teammates to rally around me and give me a chance to explain my side of the story; second, his experience and veteran leadership is still important to the other backs in his unit and to the team as a whole...

He should be there in full faith of his contract, and be patient and allow the team the chance to re-evaluate his compensation...

At this point, because of this holdout from voluntary OTAs, I'd say he's done...

Gotta be consistent. When Ingram was drafted, Reggie went all drama club and received his exit papers in short order...

saintfan · 05-11-2018, 01:23 PM

Clearly, the NFLPA is no better at protecting the players from this PED injustice than it is negotiating their contracts and position identities.

Blow up the NFLPA. Down with Roger. Conspiracies abound. Revolution is the only way! Who's with me?

AsylumGuido · 05-11-2018, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Clearly, the NFLPA is no better at protecting the players from this PED injustice than it is negotiating their contracts and position identities.

Blow up the NFLPA. Down with Roger. Conspiracies abound. Revolution is the only way! Who's with me?

No they aren't and that was what Strief implied in his interview with James Lofton and Bruce Murray on NFL Radio. He said the system (for verifying which supplements are safe from banned substances) is broken and does not work. He said it is a real problem and said the only way to be somewhat safe from a violation is to never use any supplements at all. And that is not going to happen. He said the main problem is that the supplement industry is not regulated by the FDA. He said products listed as fine to take by the league can still end up with trace ingredients from the banned list and he felt bad for Ingram. To me that sounds like he knows something about the circumstances. If this is indeed what happened then how can anyone blame Ingram?

SmashMouth · 05-11-2018, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Clearly, the NFLPA is no better at protecting the players from this PED injustice than it is negotiating their contracts and position identities.

Blow up the NFLPA. Down with Roger. Conspiracies abound. Revolution is the only way! Who's with me?

Yes.... Yes.... Fire RG !

RockyMountainSaint · 05-11-2018, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Clearly, the NFLPA is no better at protecting the players from this PED injustice than it is negotiating their contracts and position identities.

Blow up the NFLPA. Down with Roger. Conspiracies abound. Revolution is the only way! Who's with me?

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voodooido · 05-11-2018, 02:22 PM

I know they said this "was planned" but it seems to me he should do everything he can to redeem his name during his last year on contract. After all, when his contract is up he is going to be 29 yrs old. Not exactly the age anyone wants to sign a rb to a long term deal

73Saint · 05-11-2018, 02:37 PM

I would think it smart to attend if not only to stay out of Payton's dog house

05-11-2018, 01:04 PM	#1
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,151	Re: ESPN: Saints' Mark Ingram skipping OTAs until veteran minicamp, coach Sean Payton says I thought Ingram was smarter than to get busted.....I definitely thought he would have better timing after his suspension. To quote Hagan "Sometimes I just stare and wonder why". jnormand and spkb25 like this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: ESPN: Saints' Mark Ingram skipping OTAs until veteran minicamp, coach Sean Payton says Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I thought Ingram was smarter than to get busted.....I definitely thought he would have better timing after his suspension. To quote Hagan "Sometimes I just stare and wonder why". You don't even know why he was "busted"? If it was out of his control there would have been nothing he could do. And better timing for what? He isn't holding out if that's what you are talking about. There was speculation that he might hold out a couple of months ago when he fired his agent. That was LONG before the suspension was announce and even then was nothing but speculation as the reason for firing his agent. SaintFanQ and Rugby Saint II like this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: ESPN: Saints' Mark Ingram skipping OTAs until veteran minicamp, coach Sean Payton says And even if Ingram does, indeed, continue to workout on his own until mandatory OTA's it isn't that egregious. With the hoopla surrounding this whole suspension ordeal it would probably be best for all concerned. Once again, I say wait and see. SaintFanQ likes this.

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: ESPN: Saints' Mark Ingram skipping OTAs until veteran minicamp, coach Sean Payton says Originally Posted by AsylumGuido And even if Ingram does, indeed, continue to workout on his own until mandatory OTA's it isn't that egregious. With the hoopla surrounding this whole suspension ordeal it would probably be best for all concerned. Once again, I say wait and see. Disagree. Two points - first, I would want my teammates to rally around me and give me a chance to explain my side of the story; second, his experience and veteran leadership is still important to the other backs in his unit and to the team as a whole... He should be there in full faith of his contract, and be patient and allow the team the chance to re-evaluate his compensation... At this point, because of this holdout from voluntary OTAs, I'd say he's done... Gotta be consistent. When Ingram was drafted, Reggie went all drama club and received his exit papers in short order...
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05-11-2018, 01:23 PM	#5
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: ESPN: Saints' Mark Ingram skipping OTAs until veteran minicamp, coach Sean Payton says Clearly, the NFLPA is no better at protecting the players from this PED injustice than it is negotiating their contracts and position identities. Blow up the NFLPA. Down with Roger. Conspiracies abound. Revolution is the only way! Who's with me? SmashMouth, Rugby Saint II and insidejob like this.

05-11-2018, 01:31 PM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: ESPN: Saints' Mark Ingram skipping OTAs until veteran minicamp, coach Sean Payton says Originally Posted by saintfan Clearly, the NFLPA is no better at protecting the players from this PED injustice than it is negotiating their contracts and position identities. Blow up the NFLPA. Down with Roger. Conspiracies abound. Revolution is the only way! Who's with me? No they aren't and that was what Strief implied in his interview with James Lofton and Bruce Murray on NFL Radio. He said the system (for verifying which supplements are safe from banned substances) is broken and does not work. He said it is a real problem and said the only way to be somewhat safe from a violation is to never use any supplements at all. And that is not going to happen. He said the main problem is that the supplement industry is not regulated by the FDA. He said products listed as fine to take by the league can still end up with trace ingredients from the banned list and he felt bad for Ingram. To me that sounds like he knows something about the circumstances. If this is indeed what happened then how can anyone blame Ingram?
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05-11-2018, 01:46 PM	#7
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,782 Blog Entries: 29	Re: ESPN: Saints' Mark Ingram skipping OTAs until veteran minicamp, coach Sean Payton says Originally Posted by saintfan Clearly, the NFLPA is no better at protecting the players from this PED injustice than it is negotiating their contracts and position identities. Blow up the NFLPA. Down with Roger. Conspiracies abound. Revolution is the only way! Who's with me? Yes.... Yes.... Fire RG ! saintfan, jnormand and Rugby Saint II like this.

05-11-2018, 02:22 PM	#9
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,840	Re: ESPN: Saints' Mark Ingram skipping OTAs until veteran minicamp, coach Sean Payton says I know they said this "was planned" but it seems to me he should do everything he can to redeem his name during his last year on contract. After all, when his contract is up he is going to be 29 yrs old. Not exactly the age anyone wants to sign a rb to a long term deal
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73Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: NOLA Posts: 2,336	Re: ESPN: Saints' Mark Ingram skipping OTAs until veteran minicamp, coach Sean Payton says I would think it smart to attend if not only to stay out of Payton's dog house

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