Rookie tackle Rick Leonard's familiarity with Saints offensive line dates back to Florida State days

ChrisXVI · 05-18-2018, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Rugs, we didn't have to reach for anyone, Payton and the Mickster just went back to their old draft ways after being disciplined last year and having a great draft...

It's the reaching and poor draft management that has limited the Saints to one Superbowl in the Brees era...

We can’t heap praise on Jeff Ireland when a draft goes well and then act like it’s all Payton and Loomis’s fault when it doesn’t turn out how one might expect.

AsylumGuido · 05-18-2018, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

We can’t heap praise on Jeff Ireland when a draft goes well and then act like it’s all Payton and Loomis’s fault when it doesn’t turn out how one might expect.

Yup. That's my point. Let's wait and see. In Ireland I trust ... and not only because I'm Irish.

jeanpierre · 05-18-2018, 07:48 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

We can’t heap praise on Jeff Ireland when a draft goes well and then act like it’s all Payton and Loomis’s fault when it doesn’t turn out how one might expect.

Yes we can...Ireland was brought here for that reason and should be trusted with the process...

Originally Posted by K Major

After the last two successful Saints drafts ... kind of hard for me to argue that these guys don't know what they are doing.

Trust the process.

I'm not sold on the completeness of the 2016 draft - DT Sheldon Rankins (C-), WR @Can'tGuardMike A+, S Vonn Bell (D) two picks to acquire, DT David Onyemata (C-) two picks to acquire, RB Daniel Lasco (D) and UDFA CB Ken Crawley (A-)...

A solid draft nonetheless, and this is the third year for these guys; but first round pick Rankins has been more SedEllis 2.0 than even Akiem Hicks; if not for Thomas, this draft really stings, especially when we used four picks to get Vonn Bell and David Onyemata...

And most folks here wanted to replace Crawley after his rookie season...

Originally Posted by Euphoria

With your reasoning... Kamara was a reach as well. Look how that turned out so far.

That would be correct and just to speak blaspheme, RB Kareem Hunt was there in the third round without taking oft-injured Anzalone...

Originally Posted by Euphoria

I am a believer that you can't grade your draft until 3-4 years after the draft. You don't know how they will turn out/develop or how they will contribute that early usually.

Overall, yes, you have to wait it out; but a player can still be a reach at the time of draft selection which is the point I'm illustrating...

Originally Posted by Euphoria

Even second guessing these guys after the past couple of years is a bit much they have earned a lot of clout.

And the years 2015 BI? Think we've all been fans longer than that that we should remember all of it, good and bad...

Originally Posted by Euphoria

You also don't take chances... if you believe this is your guy then you take him.

If we're looking at a franchise QB, I'd agree; but are we now to forget the lessons of bad drafts and free agency moves prior to when Ireland got here?

It takes CBs, DEs, OGs, DTs, OTs, LBs, Ks, TEs, Cs, WRs, RBs, and you can't get all the starters and depth using two picks on one guy...

Staying patient as we did in 2017 and letting the draft come to us, allow the other kids to reach and make mistakes...

Good, healthy debate, my Bros, finished HB Steak and Peas - Think I'll have a Yuengling - Salud!!!

05-18-2018, 03:51 PM	#1
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Rookie tackle Rick Leonard's familiarity with Saints offensive line dates back to Florida State days Originally Posted by jeanpierre Rugs, we didn't have to reach for anyone, Payton and the Mickster just went back to their old draft ways after being disciplined last year and having a great draft... It's the reaching and poor draft management that has limited the Saints to one Superbowl in the Brees era... We can’t heap praise on Jeff Ireland when a draft goes well and then act like it’s all Payton and Loomis’s fault when it doesn’t turn out how one might expect.

05-18-2018, 04:02 PM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Rookie tackle Rick Leonard's familiarity with Saints offensive line dates back to Florida State days Originally Posted by ChrisXVI We can’t heap praise on Jeff Ireland when a draft goes well and then act like it’s all Payton and Loomis’s fault when it doesn’t turn out how one might expect. Yup. That's my point. Let's wait and see. In Ireland I trust ... and not only because I'm Irish. Rugby Saint II likes this.

05-18-2018, 07:48 PM	#3
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Rookie tackle Rick Leonard's familiarity with Saints offensive line dates back to Florida State days Originally Posted by ChrisXVI We can’t heap praise on Jeff Ireland when a draft goes well and then act like it’s all Payton and Loomis’s fault when it doesn’t turn out how one might expect. Yes we can...Ireland was brought here for that reason and should be trusted with the process... Originally Posted by K Major After the last two successful Saints drafts ... kind of hard for me to argue that these guys don't know what they are doing. Trust the process. I'm not sold on the completeness of the 2016 draft - DT Sheldon Rankins (C-), WR @Can'tGuardMike A+, S Vonn Bell (D) two picks to acquire, DT David Onyemata (C-) two picks to acquire, RB Daniel Lasco (D) and UDFA CB Ken Crawley (A-)... A solid draft nonetheless, and this is the third year for these guys; but first round pick Rankins has been more SedEllis 2.0 than even Akiem Hicks; if not for Thomas, this draft really stings, especially when we used four picks to get Vonn Bell and David Onyemata... And most folks here wanted to replace Crawley after his rookie season... Originally Posted by Euphoria With your reasoning... Kamara was a reach as well. Look how that turned out so far. That would be correct and just to speak blaspheme, RB Kareem Hunt was there in the third round without taking oft-injured Anzalone... Originally Posted by Euphoria I am a believer that you can't grade your draft until 3-4 years after the draft. You don't know how they will turn out/develop or how they will contribute that early usually. Overall, yes, you have to wait it out; but a player can still be a reach at the time of draft selection which is the point I'm illustrating... Originally Posted by Euphoria Even second guessing these guys after the past couple of years is a bit much they have earned a lot of clout. And the years 2015 BI? Think we've all been fans longer than that that we should remember all of it, good and bad... Originally Posted by Euphoria You also don't take chances... if you believe this is your guy then you take him. If we're looking at a franchise QB, I'd agree; but are we now to forget the lessons of bad drafts and free agency moves prior to when Ireland got here? It takes CBs, DEs, OGs, DTs, OTs, LBs, Ks, TEs, Cs, WRs, RBs, and you can't get all the starters and depth using two picks on one guy... Staying patient as we did in 2017 and letting the draft come to us, allow the other kids to reach and make mistakes... Good, healthy debate, my Bros, finished HB Steak and Peas - Think I'll have a Yuengling - Salud!!!
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