Saints could have deepest defensive line they've had in years if everything pans out

Audiotom · 05-28-2018, 12:48 PM

Getting pressure from both sides is the key

Jordan is going to be scary

joker-saint · 05-29-2018, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by Audiotom

Getting pressure from both sides is the key

Jordan is going to be scary

They are going to take the double off him and that's going to open a bunch of holes for Jordan to come with it.

jeanpierre · 06-24-2018, 10:09 PM

Originally Posted by joker-saint

They are going to take the double off him and that's going to open a bunch of holes for Jordan to come with it.

For that to happen, the interior line has got to do a much better job with their pass rushing...

When you factor that the NT1 and DT3 are struggling and barely commanding one-on-one blocking, it's really amazing what Jordan's been able to accomplish...

But the guy that's gotta help Jordan is the one that lines up next to him and that's the DT3, Rankins and he's not been the interior force as advertised...

Rugby Saint II · 06-27-2018, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

For that to happen, the interior line has got to do a much better job with their pass rushing...

When you factor that the NT1 and DT3 are struggling and barely commanding one-on-one blocking, it's really amazing what Jordan's been able to accomplish...

But the guy that's gotta help Jordan is the one that lines up next to him and that's the DT3, Rankins and he's not been the interior force as advertised...

I don't know about that jp. Rankins missed half his first year and played a lot of DE last year. Neilsen should help him take that leap in his third year where he can concentrate on DT. At least that's what I'm hoping for......that and continued growth from Onyamata.

halloween 65 · 06-27-2018, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

For that to happen, the interior line has got to do a much better job with their pass rushing...

When you factor that the NT1 and DT3 are struggling and barely commanding one-on-one blocking, it's really amazing what Jordan's been able to accomplish...

But the guy that's gotta help Jordan is the one that lines up next to him and that's the DT3, Rankins and he's not been the interior force as advertised...

Davenport better be as good as his pick #'s was. Or they all better step up. We definately need a spark in that middle.

saintsfan1976 · 06-28-2018, 04:50 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

For that to happen, the interior line has got to do a much better job with their pass rushing...

When you factor that the NT1 and DT3 are struggling and barely commanding one-on-one blocking, it's really amazing what Jordan's been able to accomplish...

But the guy that's gotta help Jordan is the one that lines up next to him and that's the DT3, Rankins and he's not been the interior force as advertised...

See, I've read the opposite. Rankins hasn't posted numbers but he IS drawing attention away from Jordan. Just ask Jordan.

Personally, I'm looking for more from the other side - Onyemata, Davison, (now Bromley) and the DE rotation.

jeanpierre · 06-28-2018, 06:52 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

See, I've read the opposite. Rankins hasn't posted numbers but he IS drawing attention away from Jordan. Just ask Jordan.

Personally, I'm looking for more from the other side - Onyemata, Davison, (now Bromley) and the DE rotation.

Two sacks? You'd expect Rankins to get more than just two (2) sacks...

Jordan is going to have his boy's back.

When Rankins is double-teamed, he's getting rolled up, not holding nor pushing the point of attack...

Believe that was the reason D.A. went with the larger, stronger Onyemata and moved Rankins to defensive end to get some production out of him...

While it's not the Holy Grail, Rankins was even graded by PFF behind not only Onyemata, but Davison as well - ouch...

Am with y'all and hoping Nielsen can somehow turn this coal into a diamond...

saintsfan1976 · 06-28-2018, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Two sacks? You'd expect Rankins to get more than just two (2) sacks...

Jordan is going to have his boy's back.

When Rankins is double-teamed, he's getting rolled up, not holding are pushing the point of attack...

Believe that was the reason D.A. went with the larger, stronger Onyemata and moved Rankins to defense end to get some production out of him...

While it's not the Holy Grail, Rankins was even graded by PFF behind not only Onyemata, but Davison as well - ouch...

Am with y'all and hoping Nielsen can somehow turn this coal into a diamond...

Good point. My argument is Rankins was never MEANT to be the guy who powers through double teams. He was SUPPOSEDLY to have Fairly beside him.

Rookie season w Fairly - 4 sacks in 9 games.
Soph season w/o Fairly - 2 sacks full season.

But get him in a one on one and he’ll create way more pressures.

Utah_Saint · 06-28-2018, 09:55 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

While it's not the Holy Grail, Rankins was even graded by PFF behind not only Onyemata, but Davison as well - ouch...

Ouch? PFF graded him at 80.7. As a frame of reference PFF ranked Dontari Poe in their top 20 free agents this year and he graded 81.5. Just my opinion but that sounds a lot better than "struggling".

They also graded him as an above average DT. Sheldon Richardson also got graded as an above average DT. Maybe it's just me but that doesn't sound like a lump of coal.

While, I'm not saying he never got rolled or couldn't hold the line but I don't remember it happening very often and I do remember him getting doubled teamed a lot.

And, I think, DA moved him to DE to try to find someone that could set the edge after all the injuries. Allen had had the luxury of having a couple DTs capable of holding the middle. Rankins even dropped into coverage a few times last season.

Even though 2 sacks is pretty meager, he also got 9 qb hits (tied for second on the team with Okafor), 24 qb pressures, 3 tackles for a loss, 1 sack in the playoffs, a forced fumble and an interception. He started off last season slowly but it seams like most of the team did.

He's only played a season and a half, I don't see any reason why he won't keep getting better.

05-28-2018, 12:48 PM	#1
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05-29-2018, 07:17 PM	#2
joker-saint 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 382 Blog Entries: 12	Re: Saints could have deepest defensive line they've had in years if everything pans out Originally Posted by Audiotom Getting pressure from both sides is the key Jordan is going to be scary They are going to take the double off him and that's going to open a bunch of holes for Jordan to come with it.

06-24-2018, 10:09 PM	#3
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints could have deepest defensive line they've had in years if everything pans out Originally Posted by joker-saint They are going to take the double off him and that's going to open a bunch of holes for Jordan to come with it. For that to happen, the interior line has got to do a much better job with their pass rushing... When you factor that the NT1 and DT3 are struggling and barely commanding one-on-one blocking, it's really amazing what Jordan's been able to accomplish... But the guy that's gotta help Jordan is the one that lines up next to him and that's the DT3, Rankins and he's not been the interior force as advertised...

06-27-2018, 02:05 PM	#4
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,167	Re: Saints could have deepest defensive line they've had in years if everything pans out Originally Posted by jeanpierre For that to happen, the interior line has got to do a much better job with their pass rushing... When you factor that the NT1 and DT3 are struggling and barely commanding one-on-one blocking, it's really amazing what Jordan's been able to accomplish... But the guy that's gotta help Jordan is the one that lines up next to him and that's the DT3, Rankins and he's not been the interior force as advertised... I don't know about that jp. Rankins missed half his first year and played a lot of DE last year. Neilsen should help him take that leap in his third year where he can concentrate on DT. At least that's what I'm hoping for......that and continued growth from Onyamata. Barry from MS, AsylumGuido, K Major and 1 others like this.

06-27-2018, 03:43 PM	#5
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Saints could have deepest defensive line they've had in years if everything pans out Originally Posted by jeanpierre For that to happen, the interior line has got to do a much better job with their pass rushing... When you factor that the NT1 and DT3 are struggling and barely commanding one-on-one blocking, it's really amazing what Jordan's been able to accomplish... But the guy that's gotta help Jordan is the one that lines up next to him and that's the DT3, Rankins and he's not been the interior force as advertised... Davenport better be as good as his pick #'s was. Or they all better step up. We definately need a spark in that middle.

06-28-2018, 04:50 AM	#6
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,036 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints could have deepest defensive line they've had in years if everything pans out Originally Posted by jeanpierre For that to happen, the interior line has got to do a much better job with their pass rushing... When you factor that the NT1 and DT3 are struggling and barely commanding one-on-one blocking, it's really amazing what Jordan's been able to accomplish... But the guy that's gotta help Jordan is the one that lines up next to him and that's the DT3, Rankins and he's not been the interior force as advertised... See, I've read the opposite. Rankins hasn't posted numbers but he IS drawing attention away from Jordan. Just ask Jordan. Personally, I'm looking for more from the other side - Onyemata, Davison, (now Bromley) and the DE rotation. Rugby Saint II likes this.

06-28-2018, 06:52 AM	#7
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints could have deepest defensive line they've had in years if everything pans out Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 See, I've read the opposite. Rankins hasn't posted numbers but he IS drawing attention away from Jordan. Just ask Jordan. Personally, I'm looking for more from the other side - Onyemata, Davison, (now Bromley) and the DE rotation. Two sacks? You'd expect Rankins to get more than just two (2) sacks... Jordan is going to have his boy's back. When Rankins is double-teamed, he's getting rolled up, not holding nor pushing the point of attack... Believe that was the reason D.A. went with the larger, stronger Onyemata and moved Rankins to defensive end to get some production out of him... While it's not the Holy Grail, Rankins was even graded by PFF behind not only Onyemata, but Davison as well - ouch... Am with y'all and hoping Nielsen can somehow turn this coal into a diamond...
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06-28-2018, 02:05 PM	#8
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,036 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints could have deepest defensive line they've had in years if everything pans out Originally Posted by jeanpierre Two sacks? You'd expect Rankins to get more than just two (2) sacks... Jordan is going to have his boy's back. When Rankins is double-teamed, he's getting rolled up, not holding are pushing the point of attack... Believe that was the reason D.A. went with the larger, stronger Onyemata and moved Rankins to defense end to get some production out of him... While it's not the Holy Grail, Rankins was even graded by PFF behind not only Onyemata, but Davison as well - ouch... Am with y'all and hoping Nielsen can somehow turn this coal into a diamond... Good point. My argument is Rankins was never MEANT to be the guy who powers through double teams. He was SUPPOSEDLY to have Fairly beside him. Rookie season w Fairly - 4 sacks in 9 games. Soph season w/o Fairly - 2 sacks full season. But get him in a one on one and he’ll create way more pressures. jeanpierre, Rugby Saint II and K Major like this.

06-28-2018, 09:55 PM	#9
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Saints could have deepest defensive line they've had in years if everything pans out Originally Posted by jeanpierre While it's not the Holy Grail, Rankins was even graded by PFF behind not only Onyemata, but Davison as well - ouch... Ouch? PFF graded him at 80.7. As a frame of reference PFF ranked Dontari Poe in their top 20 free agents this year and he graded 81.5. Just my opinion but that sounds a lot better than "struggling". They also graded him as an above average DT. Sheldon Richardson also got graded as an above average DT. Maybe it's just me but that doesn't sound like a lump of coal. While, I'm not saying he never got rolled or couldn't hold the line but I don't remember it happening very often and I do remember him getting doubled teamed a lot. And, I think, DA moved him to DE to try to find someone that could set the edge after all the injuries. Allen had had the luxury of having a couple DTs capable of holding the middle. Rankins even dropped into coverage a few times last season. Even though 2 sacks is pretty meager, he also got 9 qb hits (tied for second on the team with Okafor), 24 qb pressures, 3 tackles for a loss, 1 sack in the playoffs, a forced fumble and an interception. He started off last season slowly but it seams like most of the team did. He's only played a season and a half, I don't see any reason why he won't keep getting better.

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