If A Few Things Hit, Saints Pass Rush Could Feature The Kind Of Depth That Creates Better Matchups For Its Players

06-10-2018, 05:21 PM

Beastmode · 06-11-2018, 12:17 AM

If we create something like the Jags last year (which is totally doable) we are a high speed freight train. Good luck stopping it. A pass rush with a legit shutdown corner and solid secondary. If Davenport delivers it's going to be fun to watch.

jeanpierre · 06-11-2018, 01:33 AM

Don't expect Davenport to play like a two first round pick guy, but if he's even among the top three rookie defensive ends, it'll still be huge...

Then you throw in a year wiser, savvier, stronger, and recovered Trey Hendrickson who shows he can be a special pass rusher, plus...

If Okafor can come back by the fifth game, fully recovered and can finish the whole season, that's one helluva a rotation opposite Cam Jordan...

But it's still gonna take the interior defenders to up their games to 84+ grade performances, collapsing the pocket for the edge guys to finish...

AsylumGuido · 06-11-2018, 07:25 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Don't expect Davenport to play like a two first round pick guy, but if he's even among the top three rookie defensive ends, it'll still be huge...

Then you throw in a year wiser, savvier, stronger, and recovered Trey Hendrickson who shows he can be a special pass rusher, plus...

If Okafor can come back by the fifth game, fully recovered and can finish the whole season, that's one helluva a rotation opposite Cam Jordan...

But it's still gonna take the interior defenders to up their games to 84+ grade performances, collapsing the pocket for the edge guys to finish...

I expect Davenport to play like a high first round guy. I wouldn't doubt it if he outplays Chubb. Neilsen made Chubb who he is. I really think he has more to work with in Davenport. Chubb also had three other excellent linemen giving him the chances.

Cruize · 06-11-2018, 08:13 AM

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K Major · 06-11-2018, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Don't expect Davenport to play like a two first round pick guy, but if he's even among the top three rookie defensive ends, it'll still be huge...

Marcus will contribute right away & will become a potential cornerstone piece on defense after #9 retires. Whatever the Saints gave up to get him in the draft will mean nothing if the coaches get 9, 10 years of elite play out of him.

JP, you are a Saints football historian so you can appreciate the quote from the late Jim Finks when he said "it takes DL at least 2, 3 years to hit their stride".

Trust and believe.

jeanpierre · 06-11-2018, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Marcus will contribute right away & will become a potential cornerstone piece on defense after #9 retires. Whatever the Saints gave up to get him in the draft will mean nothing if the coaches get 9, 10 years of elite play out of him.

JP, you are a Saints football historian so you can appreciate the quote from the late Jim Finks when he said "it takes DL at least 2, 3 years to hit their stride".

Trust and believe.

Jim Finks would've never allowed Payton to have traded two first round picks for Davenport...

If'n is a big possibility of a word, but IF we had Finks, we'd had two more Lombardi's under Brees' era; Finks built a great team and Mora, unchecked, destroyed it...

K Major · 06-11-2018, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Jim Finks would've never allowed Payton to have traded two first round picks for Davenport...

The Saints didn’t actually trade two first round picks. They traded next year’s first rounder and a fifth rounder this year to convert this year’s first round pick from 27 to 14. They used next year’s first rounder to move up.

Given what Jeff Ireland, Loomis and the rest of the front office brass have done in recent drafts, it’s hard to challenge their logic.

Next stop, Super Bowl

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jeanpierre · 06-11-2018, 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

The Saints didn’t actually trade two first round picks. They traded next year’s first rounder and a fifth rounder this year to convert this year’s first round pick from 27 to 14. They used next year’s first rounder to move up.

Given what Jeff Ireland, Loomis and the rest of the front office brass have done in recent drafts, it’s hard to challenge their logic.

Next stop, Super Bowl .

Agree on that first part...

..., but this is the same Loomis who traded two first round picks to move up and select Johnathan Sullivan, or Stanley Jean Baptiste in the second round among other brain farts...

...and had he done this as GM of any other franchise, he would've been run out of football...

Loomis is a yes man and a moron...

Irregardless and despite several of the personnel gaffes of DIS/Loomis, and blown opportunties, I wlll emphatically agree on this point -

...this squad is in a great position to make a strong run late into the playoffs this year because of the 2017 draft haul...

K Major · 06-12-2018, 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

...this squad is in a great position to make a strong run late into the playoffs this year because of the 2017 draft haul...

In my mind, the 2016 Saints draft tee'd it up.

Rankins
Michael Thomas
V Bell
David Onyemata

All good to above average starters.

Footnote - 2015 Draft contributors still on the team.

Peat
Kikaha
Davison

The front office is hitting on draft selections more than missing.

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06-11-2018, 12:17 AM	#2
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Re: If A Few Things Hit, Saints Pass Rush Could Feature The Kind Of Depth That Creates Better Matchups For Its Players If we create something like the Jags last year (which is totally doable) we are a high speed freight train. Good luck stopping it. A pass rush with a legit shutdown corner and solid secondary. If Davenport delivers it's going to be fun to watch. darksoul35 and SaintGnome like this.
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06-11-2018, 01:33 AM	#3
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: If A Few Things Hit, Saints Pass Rush Could Feature The Kind Of Depth That Creates Better Matchups For Its Players Don't expect Davenport to play like a two first round pick guy, but if he's even among the top three rookie defensive ends, it'll still be huge... Then you throw in a year wiser, savvier, stronger, and recovered Trey Hendrickson who shows he can be a special pass rusher, plus... If Okafor can come back by the fifth game, fully recovered and can finish the whole season, that's one helluva a rotation opposite Cam Jordan... But it's still gonna take the interior defenders to up their games to 84+ grade performances, collapsing the pocket for the edge guys to finish...
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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: If A Few Things Hit, Saints Pass Rush Could Feature The Kind Of Depth That Creates Better Matchups For Its Players Originally Posted by jeanpierre Don't expect Davenport to play like a two first round pick guy, but if he's even among the top three rookie defensive ends, it'll still be huge... Then you throw in a year wiser, savvier, stronger, and recovered Trey Hendrickson who shows he can be a special pass rusher, plus... If Okafor can come back by the fifth game, fully recovered and can finish the whole season, that's one helluva a rotation opposite Cam Jordan... But it's still gonna take the interior defenders to up their games to 84+ grade performances, collapsing the pocket for the edge guys to finish... I expect Davenport to play like a high first round guy. I wouldn't doubt it if he outplays Chubb. Neilsen made Chubb who he is. I really think he has more to work with in Davenport. Chubb also had three other excellent linemen giving him the chances.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: If A Few Things Hit, Saints Pass Rush Could Feature The Kind Of Depth That Creates Better Matchups For Its Players Originally Posted by jeanpierre Don't expect Davenport to play like a two first round pick guy, but if he's even among the top three rookie defensive ends, it'll still be huge... Marcus will contribute right away & will become a potential cornerstone piece on defense after #9 retires. Whatever the Saints gave up to get him in the draft will mean nothing if the coaches get 9, 10 years of elite play out of him. JP, you are a Saints football historian so you can appreciate the quote from the late Jim Finks when he said "it takes DL at least 2, 3 years to hit their stride". Trust and believe. Rugby Saint II and Beastmode like this.

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: If A Few Things Hit, Saints Pass Rush Could Feature The Kind Of Depth That Creates Better Matchups For Its Players Originally Posted by K Major Marcus will contribute right away & will become a potential cornerstone piece on defense after #9 retires. Whatever the Saints gave up to get him in the draft will mean nothing if the coaches get 9, 10 years of elite play out of him. JP, you are a Saints football historian so you can appreciate the quote from the late Jim Finks when he said "it takes DL at least 2, 3 years to hit their stride". Trust and believe. Jim Finks would've never allowed Payton to have traded two first round picks for Davenport... If'n is a big possibility of a word, but IF we had Finks, we'd had two more Lombardi's under Brees' era; Finks built a great team and Mora, unchecked, destroyed it...

06-11-2018, 04:12 PM	#8
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: If A Few Things Hit, Saints Pass Rush Could Feature The Kind Of Depth That Creates Better Matchups For Its Players Originally Posted by jeanpierre Jim Finks would've never allowed Payton to have traded two first round picks for Davenport... The Saints didn’t actually trade two first round picks. They traded next year’s first rounder and a fifth rounder this year to convert this year’s first round pick from 27 to 14. They used next year’s first rounder to move up. Given what Jeff Ireland, Loomis and the rest of the front office brass have done in recent drafts, it’s hard to challenge their logic. Next stop, Super Bowl . AsylumGuido likes this.

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: If A Few Things Hit, Saints Pass Rush Could Feature The Kind Of Depth That Creates Better Matchups For Its Players Originally Posted by K Major The Saints didn’t actually trade two first round picks. They traded next year’s first rounder and a fifth rounder this year to convert this year’s first round pick from 27 to 14. They used next year’s first rounder to move up. Given what Jeff Ireland, Loomis and the rest of the front office brass have done in recent drafts, it’s hard to challenge their logic. Next stop, Super Bowl . Agree on that first part... ..., but this is the same Loomis who traded two first round picks to move up and select Johnathan Sullivan, or Stanley Jean Baptiste in the second round among other brain farts... ...and had he done this as GM of any other franchise, he would've been run out of football... Loomis is a yes man and a moron... Irregardless and despite several of the personnel gaffes of DIS/Loomis, and blown opportunties, I wlll emphatically agree on this point - ...this squad is in a great position to make a strong run late into the playoffs this year because of the 2017 draft haul... Rugby Saint II likes this.
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06-12-2018, 09:22 AM	#10
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: If A Few Things Hit, Saints Pass Rush Could Feature The Kind Of Depth That Creates Better Matchups For Its Players Originally Posted by jeanpierre ...this squad is in a great position to make a strong run late into the playoffs this year because of the 2017 draft haul... In my mind, the 2016 Saints draft tee'd it up. Rankins Michael Thomas V Bell David Onyemata All good to above average starters. Footnote - 2015 Draft contributors still on the team. Peat Kikaha Davison The front office is hitting on draft selections more than missing.

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