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We really didn't go there did we? We need stats. Just to say what you feel doesn't make it true no matter how passionately you feel about it. All of the cases where a police officer beating or killing a cop are shown on the news. How many do you see on the news and of those I would say at least 50% are justified. Now how many blacks kill blacks and why don't we talk about that too. It's easy to make the police departments the fall guys but in reality it's not reality.

Foot note: I have children that are black and I understand the difference between white and black. I don't know the feeling but I understand it.

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They are paid athletes playing on the company dime. Conform during work hours......discussing politics is just a bad idea at work and almost always leads to problems. Especially when your audience is so diversified.

I guess it's time for the different religions to take a stand(or kneel) and get the attention on the player for the moment.

Re: NFL Players Association files grievance challenging national anthem policy
 

They are paid athletes playing on the company dime. Conform during work hours......discussing politics is just a bad idea at work and almost always leads to problems. Especially when your audience is so diversified.

I guess it's time for the different religions to take a stand(or kneel) and get the attention on the player for the moment.

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Companies do the same? Do they lock their employees out to get them to accept less? No, but unions stop all operations because they want MORE. I'm fine with filing a grievance if you have A REASON. A legitimate reason. Unions are all about "give me more, because I want more". There are higher paying jobs if you want more. Your company is going to make you an offer, and you accept that offer when start working for them. We can all complain that we "deserve" more, but the company, or business, is under no obligation to raise your pay. A lot of people are affected when employees strike, including a lot of people who don't want to go on strike but are forced by their union.

Your Confederate flag statement is completely false. The Confederate flag represented the Confederate states. Very few people owned slaves. 10% or less, in fact. If you knew your history, you'd know that the war was not started over slavery. That was a political ploy that Abraham Lincoln used later, when the British were ready to come to the aide of the Confederates. Lincoln used this smear tactic to dissuade the British from "getting their hands dirty", so to speak. Lincoln, himself, was on record as supporting the right to own slaves during his time as a Senator. Did you know that? Still think it was a war on slavery?

The fact is that the Confederate states wanted to secede from the Union, and Lincoln wanted to block their constitutional right to do so. He did not want to lose power over these states. THAT is what started the war, and THAT is what was worth fighting for. Not owning slaves. That was something that only a minority of people were the least bit concerned in protecting.

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I would expect no less than for you to get your "evidence" from google searches. Google, who has been shown to sensor any kind of Conservative coverage, to persuade the public toward their liberal views, is apparently the gospel now.

If we're talking about anytime up until about 1970, I'd agree with you. what we have now is a fact that blacks ( I'm not indicting every single black person here) commit the majority of crime in this country despite being 13% of the overall population. Yet, instead of being outraged with such behavior, you automatically assume that this must mean that blacks are being targeted. Almost all of the high profile cases that make national news involve a black guy getting shot because he was resisting arrest or threatening a cop in some way, and the media coverage inexplicably rushes to the defense of the criminal. There are people who still defend OJ. Where was the disproportionate treatment of him?

I've long said that there ARE, of course, cases of prejudice. But it is nowhere NEAR to the extent that you would have us believe. If you want to talk about real empirical evidence, it is a fact that black people are being accepted into many colleges and universities based on the fact that they are a minority, and not because they are more qualified. This is not to say that no black people are qualified, before you try to take it that way. But a lot of qualified applicants are turned down in favor of the "inclusion" method. There is a collective fear that a lot of people have over not wanting to be labeled a racist. People lose their jobs over the mere CLAIM of having said or done something racist. Employers are so unwilling to go down that rabbit hole that they often just make knee jerk decisions, and fire people without a thorough investigation. And if you think I'm making that up, then you are out of touch with modern reality, my friend.

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Um, you were saying? From
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_NFL_lockout

SFIAH

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This was a direct dispute between the players Union and the owners. If the Players Union had simply accepted the terms that they had already PREVIOUSLY agreed upon, they would not have been kept from working.

THEY (the NFLPA) made the decision to dispute their agreement. THEY forced the hand of the owners.

See the difference? As a company or business, when your employees just decide that they aren't going to show up, it completely screws you over. No one forced the players union into REFUSING to accept the previous terms. And that is why unions are such a bad idea. They are NEVER satisfied. They always want more, and when the union decides it isn't happy, everyone suffers.

Try again.

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Over represented how? Because there are more blacks in jail, are you presuming that this is evidence of prejudice? The crime rates don't back up that black representation in prison is disproportionate to the number of crimes they are committing. Where are these mountains of evidence?

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Allow me to elaborate further on this point. You might have also noticed that in my original comment that you replied to, I stated that you don't see companies locking out their employees to get them to take LESS.

Again there are already terms agreed upon. The union wants more. If every time a union came calling for more, the company just said "ok, here you go", they'd go bankrupt. So for you to try to use an example of a bunch of millionaires disputing with billionaires over the CBA is beyond silly, in my opinion. No one came up to the players and said "hey, I'm locking you out, because I don't like how much money you're making". The players had a choice to either keep working or dispute their employers. They chose to dispute, as is their right, I suppose. But they must also accept the right of the employer to tell them no.

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Sure. From the same:

Look everyone is greedy. Everyone looks out for their own self interests. That doesn't make unions good or bad or companies good or bad. Each understands that if they don't stand up for their own self interests, that no one else is going to do it for them. I'm just trying to point out that it isn't one sided.

SFIAH