burningmetal

This was a direct dispute between the players Union and the owners. If the Players Union had simply accepted the terms that they had already PREVIOUSLY agreed upon, they would not have been kept from working.

THEY (the NFLPA) made the decision to dispute their agreement. THEY forced the hand of the owners.

See the difference? As a company or business, when your employees just decide that they aren't going to show up, it completely screws you over. No one forced the players union into REFUSING to accept the previous terms. And that is why unions are such a bad idea. They are NEVER satisfied. They always want more, and when the union decides it isn't happy, everyone suffers.

Try again.

If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

SaintFanInATLHELL

Sure. From the same:

Look everyone is greedy. Everyone looks out for their own self interests. That doesn't make unions good or bad or companies good or bad. Each understands that if they don't stand up for their own self interests, that no one else is going to do it for them. I'm just trying to point out that it isn't one sided.

SFIAH

burningmetal

I agree that there is greed on both sides. This is the NFL, not some run of the mill business. But the fact of the matter is that players weren't being threatened to have money taken out of their contracts; this was a matter of league revenue. Now, we can have a separate discussion about who deserves what percentage of that revenue, and the moral implications of what the owners wanted, but it is THEIR league. Do the owners need all of that extra money? No, they really don't. But they are businessmen, and it is their business. The players make an incredible amount of money. Even those who aren't millionaires are still making hundreds of thousands of dollars for playing a game. They can't say they are unjustly treated. It's just greed.

And yes, the owners are greedy as well, but the difference, again, is that it is their business. I don't like the idea of unions trying to strong arm a business into doing what isn't in it's best interest. There are courts who can deal with instances of employer abuse. Be it physical or verbal abuse, or grossly underpaying one or more employees as compared to others who are performing at a similar or even lesser efficiency and making significantly more money. I'm all for taking your boss to task on those things though, at best, you might get a money settlement and then be out of a job, because what boss wants to keep someone who sues them?. Unions are overkill, and cause far too many problems, in my opinion. It's usually easier to just find some other job, unless it's physical abuse you want to report. That's worth taking to court.

If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.