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What would you take for him?


I would take no less than a 3rd. I may entertain a 4th and a 6th. Trying to get back in the first next year so a 3rd, would probably have to have it to bundle with more pokey bait.

A 2,3,4....is that enough to get back in 1? I would think so.

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Nobody is giving you a third for a player with a year left on his deal,especially with so much work on his body. Ingram suits the Saints but he isnt putting up 1500 yards and is no Barry Sanders

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And that is why I am asking. So a 4th and a 6th, or maybe a 4th and a conditional. I would entertain that as well. If we are going to get back in the 1st going to need to start hoarding picks from somewhere.

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Title run? I'm looking at dynasty run. Have to see out more than 2ft in front of your face to make that reality.

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I wouldn't trade him.
Not for picks i at least.

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Not saying a trade is not possible( look at Graham) but Ingram's running, blocking and pass catching has gotten better over the years. He was stupid in taking a known ban substance and they all know what they are but he still holds high value on our O.

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He didn't intentionally take a known banned substance. According to four separate Saints players (including Zach Strief) a trace amount of a substance picked up from a tainted supplement that is approved by the league was found in his sample. And according to his agent the banned substance wasn't even one recognized as "performance enhancing" and could be taken with a Therapeutic Use Exemption (TUE) ... (ie. fertility meds, hair growth meds, etc.).

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Why are you so obsessed with trading Ingram? It is beyond stupid to weaken our roster this season, when we have a very legitimate shot at winning it all, hoping to somehow move into the tail end of the 1st round next year and pick up a player that is not guaranteed to have any immediate impact whatsoever ... if ever.

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And one pick will suddenly build a dynasty?

:roflmao:

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A third rounder at that!

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I seem to remember something about an exemption from the league for certain criteria? Ingram was supposed to have the exemption, but then they never formally gave it to him or something like that.

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I'm actually more obsessed with getting back in the 1st. And yes, I know we are not getting that but it would give us the ability to stack to make it possible.


The strength of this team right now is the draft, mainly round 1. Rankins, Lattimore, Ramczyk. Maybe even Davenport. Guilty as charged if I want to get it back and sacrifice our 2nd string RB to get there who, will not be contributing anyway until the halfway point.

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I believe he has greater value to us this year than anything we could get for him in return. He is an all-around back that blocks, catches passes and runs well. He is in the best system and has a perfect complement with Kamara. Drew will miss him the first four games I am sure. They have a great working relationship. Besides, after coming off a suspension Ingram's contract may be more palatable.

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I personally think we would benefit from keeping him but I also have that feeling he may return and be a locker room cancer.

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Why would you think he'd suddenly become "a locker room cancer"? He is one of the single most popular players on the roster among fellow teammates from everything I've heard or seen.

:confused:

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2nd string RB? Ingram had 288 touches as compared to 201 by Kamara last season. And where do you get his not contributing until the halfway point? He'll be back in top shape ready to contribute over the final 3/4th's of the regular season and through our Super Bowl run.

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I'd definately keep MI. He's gonna run hard to show he has lots of gas in those legs, so when he hits the free market he'll have some leverage. He'll help get that 2nd ring!!

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No trade at this point. Contract year. He'll run like a horse. Don't need to bring him up to speed on anything but contact. He'll have his best year per game.

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Ingram knows the offense, Drew is comfortable throwing him the ball, he’s gotten very good in pass protection, and he averaged 4.9 ypc last season. I get being ticked at him but I don’t see how trading him makes the team better.

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Everyone can thank me when we win the SB without him and, end up crawling our way back into RND1 with picks bundled from the trade.

We are going full dynasty mode. Get onboard because the train is going to leave without you and MI.

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I'm still trying to figure out why the hell anyone would want to trade him....he's been spectacular the last 2 years. The guy can't catch a break from the fans.

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I think we're going to have most of the leverage resigning Ingram if he wants to stay.

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Never said we would get a first for him.

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No evidence other than a personal feeling. Maybe due to his being suspended and being in a contract year. Maybe he comes back when other backs didn’t just cover for him but excelled?

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What do you mean "comes back"? He was there for mandatory mini-camp. He'll be there for training camp. He only missed "voluntary" OTA's because he was training with a route running and speed expert. Numerous veteran players train on their own during OTA's. Everything I've heard from players concerning his suspension is that he got a raw deal and they feel sorry for him and support him 100%. And players are always supportive of other players concerning contracts. Besides, there hasn't been anything negative concerning his contract anyway.

:confused:

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Which makes it even more stupid to trade him. Trading Ingram would weaken the 2018 roster and have no guarantee to improve any future roster. I just thank God that you aren't our GM.

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That is far too logical, JP. I'm not sure Beastmode can handle it. ;) He's been on this Ingram obsession for weeks now.

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OL and downfield blocking is strong. West, Boston Scott or whoever should have some success. Quite a bit in fact.

I think people are assuming when he returns it will be 2017 again. If things are working well no way that happens. We are not going to kill something working. He will be brought back slowly. If it's working very well and somebody makes a stupid offer we will take it.

That's all I am saying. If that happens what is his value? I don't dislike MI and as stated, I got laughed at for saying we would grab him but have to really look at this situation.

Our greatest strength right now is actually DRAFTING. Without a 1st, or, limited ability to get it back, it won't be a strength next year. Say somebody offers a 3, or 4 with a conditional. Now we can bundle that 4 with a couple more picks and maybe sneak back in 1.

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Beast, here's the thing - Ingram is a devastating blocker, rarely missing assignments; have these guys showed in class they know their assignments?

Now, they may be terrific runners, but the offense is predicated on the advantage of misdirection and running multiple plays out of the same set...

Translation: if they can't block & the opposition knows it, then when they're in we're telegraphing run because they can't be trusted to protect Brees...



You're absolutely right - every season is different. But if you think back to last season, we evolved throughout the season; not every game was @Buffalo...

And in this season, we will evolve, change, adapt so that our offense can keep that first step advantage every game, every play, every matchup...

Ingram will come in fresh; keep bringing up that Seattle playoff loss as a reminder we were unable to run out the clock because of no available RBs...


Don't want to jinx us, but the only situation where Ingram becomes more valuable to us in a trade is a total collapse and a contender needs him...

Right now his greatest, maximized value is a New Orleans Saint.

I'm not ready to say we're past our draft problems as I'm not real happy about Payton jumping in and trading two first round picks for Davenport...

We've had two drafts, 2006 (A-) and 2017 (A+), with the rest of Payton's tenure maybe grabbing one, maybe two roster keepers per year...

But I agree the best, proven method to building a perennial contender as the Steelers, Ravens, Broncos, Patriots seem to do is through good drafts...

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Many dirty bird fans had similar thoughts when they traded up for Julio J. If the Saints front office is confident a player will develop, you do what it takes to get him. Especially a position such as defensive end.

If Davenport develops into the next Cameron Jordan, Julius Peppers or Clowney, no one will talk about what it took to get him 2, 3 years from now. We have gone into last couple of drafts with DE as a priority. Both of our DE's are coming off injuries. Elite pass rushers are difficult to find. Saints won the Jimmy Dickens trade. Saints won the Cooks trade.

Don't forget who was the "mastermind" behind the Cows drafting future HOF DeMarcus Ware . Can't speak for anyone else but I'm fine with the Davenport selection.

It's our time fellas.

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All good points and really too many unknowns. I do find it interesting that we brought in all these RB's and even drafted one. Probably are not even done yet exploring either. My only question was in the event of a trade what could we get?

I think it could go as high as 3 and as low as a 4. Unlikely to happen? I would say 70%-30% not happening /happening as of now so I agree on that point.

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The clock winds down for all RB's eventually, that's just the way it is.
So Ingram's middle name is Valentino and survived that growing up in Hackensack NJ.
The Kids 28 and still has a few years left, probably the same goes for Drew. The time is
now for the Saints I would keep him in Black & Gold.

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In 8 months MI will not be a Saint for sure. Brees, about 18 give or take.



Pats do not deal with these situations. They also win a lot. They find the max bell curve of value in most cases and cash out, or, take advantage of situations like Cooks. They used him and spit him out. They also got to the SB. We did not.

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No way Brees retires until Brady retires first and Brees owns all of those records. Brees is goal driven and if you have read his book you would know that he'd play five more years if that's what it would take to have those records.

And nobody knows where Ingram will be after 2018, but the Saints remain the leader in the clubhouse.

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The Pats as well as the Saints DIDN'T win either!