Brees vs Rodgers

SmashMouth · 07-31-2018, 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

This was really the only thread of relevance after weeks of being away. And honestly, this has already been debated. It's Rodgers. Has Brees carried us on his back to the playoffs with a bad defense?

Originally Posted by CharityMike

I get what you are saying but GB bad defense and our past bad defense, are two way different things. Rodgers has had Jordy Nelson, Cobb, Adams 3 very good receivers. And I am sure Rodgers makes them look better than they are just like Brees does. I honestly don't think Rodgers could have even kept up with anyone else had he had our defense. Our team is a lot alike to GB, both teams only need a decent D to be successful and make a playoff run.

Originally Posted by dizzle88

I love Brees and what he does for us, but Rodgers throws less picks.

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Are you comparing them at age 35? If so I’d say Brees.

We’ll see where AR is by age 39. As it stands Brees is on the verge of owning several more new NFL records....

Head to Head Matchups

Monday 11/24/08 @ N.O.
Saints Win 51 - 29 (my first ever Saint's game)
Brees 20/26 323yds 4TDs / 0INTs
Rodgers 23/41 248yds 2TDs / 3INTs

Thursday 9/8/11 @ G.B.
Packers Win 42 - 34
Brees 32/49 419yds 3TDs / 0INTs
Rodgers 27/35 312yds 3TDs / 0INTs

Sunday 9/30/12 @ G.B.
Packers Win 28 - 27
Brees 35/54 446yds 3TDs / 0INTs
Rodgers 31/41 319yds 4TDs / 1INT

Sunday Night 10/26/14 @ N.O.
Saints Win 44 - 23
Brees 27/32 311yds 3TDs / 0INTs
Rodgers 28/39 418yds 1TD / 2INTs

Head to Head (2 - 2)
Both QBs at Home (2 - 0)

QB Stats for those 4 Gms
Brees 114/161 (70.8%)
1,499 pass yds 13TDs / 0INTs
Passer Rating 126.8

Rodgers 109/156 (69.9%)
1,297 pass yds 10TDs / 6INTs
Passer Rating 100.3

Since '08 Season (Rodger's first season as starter)

Regular Season Games Started
Brees 158 / 160
Rodgers 142 / 160

Regular Season Record
Brees (95 - 63)
Rodgers (94 - 48)

Regular Season 4th Qtr Comebacks
Brees 21
Rodgers 11

Regular Season Game Winning Drives
(4th Qtr or OT game where winning team went ahead for last time)
Brees 29
Rodgers 17

Regular Season Sacks Taken
Brees 252
Rodgers 354

Bree's Accolades since '06
Led League in Passing Yds
'06 '08 '11 '12 '14 '15 '16 (7 times)
Led League in Passing TDs
'08 '09 '11 '12 (4 times)
NFL Regular Season MVP
0 times (what a sham)
Division Titles
'06 '09 '11 '17 (4 times)
Playoff Record
(7 - 5)
SB XLIV Champion & MVP
Pro Bowl WRs
2017 M. Thomas (1)

Rodger's Accolades since '08
Led League in Passing Yds
(0 times)
Led League in Passing TDs
'16 (1 time)
NFL Regular Season MVP
'11 '14 (2 times)
Division Titles
'11 '12 '13 '14 '16 (5 times)
Playoff Record
(9 - 7)
SB XLV Champion & MVP
Pro Bowl WRs
2010 G. Jennings
2011 G. Jennings
2014 R. Cobb
2014 J. Nelson
2017 D. Adams (5)

If being completely unbiased, its a PUSH between the QBs at this point. Both have different styles of play and different offensive systems. Brees has better QB stats and records and Rogers has 2 MVPs with more pro bowl WRs. You can say I cherry-picked the above stats to make my argument but I don't care. Brees has done more with less and carried the Saints for several lackluster seasons in his tenure. How many other QBs could have taken the 2012 Saints team with the worst defense in NFL history for giving up yards and still managed a 7-9 record? We almost made it to .500 that season. Let that sink in for a minute. I'm not here to say that Rodgers isn't one of the best QBs to play the game or that he doesn't deserve his success but the numbers/stats/accolades above have not nor will they ever sway me to believe that he is miles better than Brees. Rodgers is a precise, flashy, mobile, and highly marketable player to the league. I do get why he is lauded the way that he is with most NFL fans. However, as you can see with some of the numbers above, I will NEVER be convinced that Drew Brees is not as good or even better in some categories than Aaron Rodgers (even if I am seeing things through my Black & Gold lenses). All in all, I am just a fan of the game itself and love to watch these 2 perfect their craft and be at the top of their game even in their later years. And just for all you "baws" out there, I am not some bandwagon fan who just joined the fan base in '09. Been a fan since my dad sat me down to watch my first Saints game during the Dome Patrol days and I have never looked back nor wavered my fandom.

2017 put the league on notice.
Forget Rodgers. Forget Brady.
2018 is for Drew.

So what say you now?

WillSaints81 · 07-31-2018, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Head to Head Matchups

Monday 11/24/08 @ N.O.
Saints Win 51 - 29 (my first ever Saint's game)
Brees 20/26 323yds 4TDs / 0INTs
Rodgers 23/41 248yds 2TDs / 3INTs

Thursday 9/8/11 @ G.B.
Packers Win 42 - 34
Brees 32/49 419yds 3TDs / 0INTs
Rodgers 27/35 312yds 3TDs / 0INTs

Sunday 9/30/12 @ G.B.
Packers Win 28 - 27
Brees 35/54 446yds 3TDs / 0INTs
Rodgers 31/41 319yds 4TDs / 1INT

Sunday Night 10/26/14 @ N.O.
Saints Win 44 - 23
Brees 27/32 311yds 3TDs / 0INTs
Rodgers 28/39 418yds 1TD / 2INTs

Head to Head (2 - 2)
Both QBs at Home (2 - 0)

QB Stats for those 4 Gms
Brees 114/161 (70.8%)
1,499 pass yds 13TDs / 0INTs
Passer Rating 126.8

Rodgers 109/156 (69.9%)
1,297 pass yds 10TDs / 6INTs
Passer Rating 100.3

Since '08 Season (Rodger's first season as starter)

Regular Season Games Started
Brees 158 / 160
Rodgers 142 / 160

Regular Season Record
Brees (95 - 63)
Rodgers (94 - 48)

Regular Season 4th Qtr Comebacks
Brees 21
Rodgers 11

Regular Season Game Winning Drives
(4th Qtr or OT game where winning team went ahead for last time)
Brees 29
Rodgers 17

Regular Season Sacks Taken
Brees 252
Rodgers 354

Bree's Accolades since '06
Led League in Passing Yds
'06 '08 '11 '12 '14 '15 '16 (7 times)
Led League in Passing TDs
'08 '09 '11 '12 (4 times)
NFL Regular Season MVP
0 times (what a sham)
Division Titles
'06 '09 '11 '17 (4 times)
Playoff Record
(7 - 5)
SB XLIV Champion & MVP
Pro Bowl WRs
2017 M. Thomas (1)

Rodger's Accolades since '08
Led League in Passing Yds
(0 times)
Led League in Passing TDs
'16 (1 time)
NFL Regular Season MVP
'11 '14 (2 times)
Division Titles
'11 '12 '13 '14 '16 (5 times)
Playoff Record
(9 - 7)
SB XLV Champion & MVP
Pro Bowl WRs
2010 G. Jennings
2011 G. Jennings
2014 R. Cobb
2014 J. Nelson
2017 D. Adams (5)

If being completely unbiased, its a PUSH between the QBs at this point. Both have different styles of play and different offensive systems. Brees has better QB stats and records and Rogers has 2 MVPs with more pro bowl WRs. You can say I cherry-picked the above stats to make my argument but I don't care. Brees has done more with less and carried the Saints for several lackluster seasons in his tenure. How many other QBs could have taken the 2012 Saints team with the worst defense in NFL history for giving up yards and still managed a 7-9 record? We almost made it to .500 that season. Let that sink in for a minute. I'm not here to say that Rodgers isn't one of the best QBs to play the game or that he doesn't deserve his success but the numbers/stats/accolades above have not nor will they ever sway me to believe that he is miles better than Brees. Rodgers is a precise, flashy, mobile, and highly marketable player to the league. I do get why he is lauded the way that he is with most NFL fans. However, as you can see with some of the numbers above, I will NEVER be convinced that Drew Brees is not as good or even better in some categories than Aaron Rodgers (even if I am seeing things through my Black & Gold lenses). All in all, I am just a fan of the game itself and love to watch these 2 perfect their craft and be at the top of their game even in their later years. And just for all you "baws" out there, I am not some bandwagon fan who just joined the fan base in '09. Been a fan since my dad sat me down to watch my first Saints game during the Dome Patrol days and I have never looked back nor wavered my fandom.

2017 put the league on notice.
Forget Rodgers. Forget Brady.
2018 is for Drew.

So what say you now?

Rodgers's team in 2016 after week 11 was 4-6, the same as the saints for three straight years. What did Rodgers do? Carry the team on his back for a 6-0 run. And had he been healthy in that Carolina game he would have won the last three. Rodgers is on that leadership level of Peyton Manning. What's the saying? No excuses. Let me know when Brees does something like that. It's that stuff right there that separates a QB from others. Rodgers is even better than Brady.

And besides when Rodgers gets done with Kirk Cousins this season, this conversation is over.

jnormand · 08-01-2018, 01:26 AM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

And besides when Rodgers gets done with Kirk Cousins this season, this conversation is over.

Are you insinuating that Cousins is better than Brees? Wth does Cousins have to do with a debate about Brees and Rodgers?

You're just a Brees hater dude. The statistics Smash put up that you were commenting on were pretty convincing. Or at least can play a role in the debate. If you think Rodgers is better, that's fine. Make your point (however moot and irresponsible it is, as usual). But your comment about Cousins is just irrelevant. But then again...so are most of your posts. You're a clown.

Utah_Saint · 08-01-2018, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

Rodgers's team in 2016 after week 11 was 4-6, the same as the saints for three straight years. What did Rodgers do? Carry the team on his back for a 6-0 run. And had he been healthy in that Carolina game he would have won the last three. Rodgers is on that leadership level of Peyton Manning. What's the saying? No excuses. Let me know when Brees does something like that. It's that stuff right there that separates a QB from others. Rodgers is even better than Brady.

And besides when Rodgers gets done with Kirk Cousins this season, this conversation is over.

I know better than to feed the trolls but it's fun to brag and this is too easy. If you ever want to be a good troll, you'll need to learn the subject matter.

In 2006 Brees took over a team that had just gone 3-13 and ranked 31st in offense the previous season. The team had no pro bowlers, only one playoff win in a 40 year history and was the losingest franchise in the NFL. What did Brees do? He put the team on his back, won 10 games, ranked 1st in offense, won the division and took the team to the NFC championship for the first time.

Rodgers turned around a season. Brees turned around a franchise. "It's stuff right there" that separates a great quarterback from a legend.

07-31-2018, 07:52 PM	#1
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,813 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Brees vs Rodgers Originally Posted by WillSaints81 This was really the only thread of relevance after weeks of being away. And honestly, this has already been debated. It's Rodgers. Has Brees carried us on his back to the playoffs with a bad defense? Originally Posted by CharityMike I get what you are saying but GB bad defense and our past bad defense, are two way different things. Rodgers has had Jordy Nelson, Cobb, Adams 3 very good receivers. And I am sure Rodgers makes them look better than they are just like Brees does. I honestly don't think Rodgers could have even kept up with anyone else had he had our defense. Our team is a lot alike to GB, both teams only need a decent D to be successful and make a playoff run. Originally Posted by dizzle88 I love Brees and what he does for us, but Rodgers throws less picks. Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Are you comparing them at age 35? If so I’d say Brees. We’ll see where AR is by age 39. As it stands Brees is on the verge of owning several more new NFL records.... Head to Head Matchups Monday 11/24/08 @ N.O. Saints Win 51 - 29 (my first ever Saint's game) Brees 20/26 323yds 4TDs / 0INTs Rodgers 23/41 248yds 2TDs / 3INTs Thursday 9/8/11 @ G.B. Packers Win 42 - 34 Brees 32/49 419yds 3TDs / 0INTs Rodgers 27/35 312yds 3TDs / 0INTs Sunday 9/30/12 @ G.B. Packers Win 28 - 27 Brees 35/54 446yds 3TDs / 0INTs Rodgers 31/41 319yds 4TDs / 1INT Sunday Night 10/26/14 @ N.O. Saints Win 44 - 23 Brees 27/32 311yds 3TDs / 0INTs Rodgers 28/39 418yds 1TD / 2INTs Head to Head (2 - 2) Both QBs at Home (2 - 0) QB Stats for those 4 Gms Brees 114/161 (70.8%) 1,499 pass yds 13TDs / 0INTs Passer Rating 126.8 Rodgers 109/156 (69.9%) 1,297 pass yds 10TDs / 6INTs Passer Rating 100.3 Since '08 Season (Rodger's first season as starter) Regular Season Games Started Brees 158 / 160 Rodgers 142 / 160 Regular Season Record Brees (95 - 63) Rodgers (94 - 48) Regular Season 4th Qtr Comebacks Brees 21 Rodgers 11 Regular Season Game Winning Drives (4th Qtr or OT game where winning team went ahead for last time) Brees 29 Rodgers 17 Regular Season Sacks Taken Brees 252 Rodgers 354 Bree's Accolades since '06 Led League in Passing Yds '06 '08 '11 '12 '14 '15 '16 (7 times) Led League in Passing TDs '08 '09 '11 '12 (4 times) NFL Regular Season MVP 0 times (what a sham) Division Titles '06 '09 '11 '17 (4 times) Playoff Record (7 - 5) SB XLIV Champion & MVP Pro Bowl WRs 2017 M. Thomas (1) Rodger's Accolades since '08 Led League in Passing Yds (0 times) Led League in Passing TDs '16 (1 time) NFL Regular Season MVP '11 '14 (2 times) Division Titles '11 '12 '13 '14 '16 (5 times) Playoff Record (9 - 7) SB XLV Champion & MVP Pro Bowl WRs 2010 G. Jennings 2011 G. Jennings 2014 R. Cobb 2014 J. Nelson 2017 D. Adams (5) If being completely unbiased, its a PUSH between the QBs at this point. Both have different styles of play and different offensive systems. Brees has better QB stats and records and Rogers has 2 MVPs with more pro bowl WRs. You can say I cherry-picked the above stats to make my argument but I don't care. Brees has done more with less and carried the Saints for several lackluster seasons in his tenure. How many other QBs could have taken the 2012 Saints team with the worst defense in NFL history for giving up yards and still managed a 7-9 record? We almost made it to .500 that season. Let that sink in for a minute. I'm not here to say that Rodgers isn't one of the best QBs to play the game or that he doesn't deserve his success but the numbers/stats/accolades above have not nor will they ever sway me to believe that he is miles better than Brees. Rodgers is a precise, flashy, mobile, and highly marketable player to the league. I do get why he is lauded the way that he is with most NFL fans. However, as you can see with some of the numbers above, I will NEVER be convinced that Drew Brees is not as good or even better in some categories than Aaron Rodgers (even if I am seeing things through my Black & Gold lenses). All in all, I am just a fan of the game itself and love to watch these 2 perfect their craft and be at the top of their game even in their later years. And just for all you "baws" out there, I am not some bandwagon fan who just joined the fan base in '09. Been a fan since my dad sat me down to watch my first Saints game during the Dome Patrol days and I have never looked back nor wavered my fandom. 2017 put the league on notice. Forget Rodgers. Forget Brady. 2018 is for Drew. So what say you now? jnormand, AsylumGuido, MistaBigXXL and 1 others like this.

07-31-2018, 10:30 PM	#2
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,283	Re: Brees vs Rodgers Originally Posted by SmashMouth Head to Head Matchups Monday 11/24/08 @ N.O. Saints Win 51 - 29 (my first ever Saint's game) Brees 20/26 323yds 4TDs / 0INTs Rodgers 23/41 248yds 2TDs / 3INTs Thursday 9/8/11 @ G.B. Packers Win 42 - 34 Brees 32/49 419yds 3TDs / 0INTs Rodgers 27/35 312yds 3TDs / 0INTs Sunday 9/30/12 @ G.B. Packers Win 28 - 27 Brees 35/54 446yds 3TDs / 0INTs Rodgers 31/41 319yds 4TDs / 1INT Sunday Night 10/26/14 @ N.O. Saints Win 44 - 23 Brees 27/32 311yds 3TDs / 0INTs Rodgers 28/39 418yds 1TD / 2INTs Head to Head (2 - 2) Both QBs at Home (2 - 0) QB Stats for those 4 Gms Brees 114/161 (70.8%) 1,499 pass yds 13TDs / 0INTs Passer Rating 126.8 Rodgers 109/156 (69.9%) 1,297 pass yds 10TDs / 6INTs Passer Rating 100.3 Since '08 Season (Rodger's first season as starter) Regular Season Games Started Brees 158 / 160 Rodgers 142 / 160 Regular Season Record Brees (95 - 63) Rodgers (94 - 48) Regular Season 4th Qtr Comebacks Brees 21 Rodgers 11 Regular Season Game Winning Drives (4th Qtr or OT game where winning team went ahead for last time) Brees 29 Rodgers 17 Regular Season Sacks Taken Brees 252 Rodgers 354 Bree's Accolades since '06 Led League in Passing Yds '06 '08 '11 '12 '14 '15 '16 (7 times) Led League in Passing TDs '08 '09 '11 '12 (4 times) NFL Regular Season MVP 0 times (what a sham) Division Titles '06 '09 '11 '17 (4 times) Playoff Record (7 - 5) SB XLIV Champion & MVP Pro Bowl WRs 2017 M. Thomas (1) Rodger's Accolades since '08 Led League in Passing Yds (0 times) Led League in Passing TDs '16 (1 time) NFL Regular Season MVP '11 '14 (2 times) Division Titles '11 '12 '13 '14 '16 (5 times) Playoff Record (9 - 7) SB XLV Champion & MVP Pro Bowl WRs 2010 G. Jennings 2011 G. Jennings 2014 R. Cobb 2014 J. Nelson 2017 D. Adams (5) If being completely unbiased, its a PUSH between the QBs at this point. Both have different styles of play and different offensive systems. Brees has better QB stats and records and Rogers has 2 MVPs with more pro bowl WRs. You can say I cherry-picked the above stats to make my argument but I don't care. Brees has done more with less and carried the Saints for several lackluster seasons in his tenure. How many other QBs could have taken the 2012 Saints team with the worst defense in NFL history for giving up yards and still managed a 7-9 record? We almost made it to .500 that season. Let that sink in for a minute. I'm not here to say that Rodgers isn't one of the best QBs to play the game or that he doesn't deserve his success but the numbers/stats/accolades above have not nor will they ever sway me to believe that he is miles better than Brees. Rodgers is a precise, flashy, mobile, and highly marketable player to the league. I do get why he is lauded the way that he is with most NFL fans. However, as you can see with some of the numbers above, I will NEVER be convinced that Drew Brees is not as good or even better in some categories than Aaron Rodgers (even if I am seeing things through my Black & Gold lenses). All in all, I am just a fan of the game itself and love to watch these 2 perfect their craft and be at the top of their game even in their later years. And just for all you "baws" out there, I am not some bandwagon fan who just joined the fan base in '09. Been a fan since my dad sat me down to watch my first Saints game during the Dome Patrol days and I have never looked back nor wavered my fandom. 2017 put the league on notice. Forget Rodgers. Forget Brady. 2018 is for Drew. So what say you now? Rodgers's team in 2016 after week 11 was 4-6, the same as the saints for three straight years. What did Rodgers do? Carry the team on his back for a 6-0 run. And had he been healthy in that Carolina game he would have won the last three. Rodgers is on that leadership level of Peyton Manning. What's the saying? No excuses. Let me know when Brees does something like that. It's that stuff right there that separates a QB from others. Rodgers is even better than Brady. And besides when Rodgers gets done with Kirk Cousins this season, this conversation is over.

08-01-2018, 01:26 AM	#3
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,761	Re: Brees vs Rodgers Originally Posted by WillSaints81 And besides when Rodgers gets done with Kirk Cousins this season, this conversation is over. Are you insinuating that Cousins is better than Brees? Wth does Cousins have to do with a debate about Brees and Rodgers? You're just a Brees hater dude. The statistics Smash put up that you were commenting on were pretty convincing. Or at least can play a role in the debate. If you think Rodgers is better, that's fine. Make your point (however moot and irresponsible it is, as usual). But your comment about Cousins is just irrelevant. But then again...so are most of your posts. You're a clown. AsylumGuido likes this.

08-01-2018, 05:44 PM	#4
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Brees vs Rodgers Originally Posted by WillSaints81 Rodgers's team in 2016 after week 11 was 4-6, the same as the saints for three straight years. What did Rodgers do? Carry the team on his back for a 6-0 run. And had he been healthy in that Carolina game he would have won the last three. Rodgers is on that leadership level of Peyton Manning. What's the saying? No excuses. Let me know when Brees does something like that. It's that stuff right there that separates a QB from others. Rodgers is even better than Brady. And besides when Rodgers gets done with Kirk Cousins this season, this conversation is over. I know better than to feed the trolls but it's fun to brag and this is too easy. If you ever want to be a good troll, you'll need to learn the subject matter. In 2006 Brees took over a team that had just gone 3-13 and ranked 31st in offense the previous season. The team had no pro bowlers, only one playoff win in a 40 year history and was the losingest franchise in the NFL. What did Brees do? He put the team on his back, won 10 games, ranked 1st in offense, won the division and took the team to the NFC championship for the first time. Rodgers turned around a season. Brees turned around a franchise. "It's stuff right there" that separates a great quarterback from a legend.

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