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Taysom Hill falters in first start as Saints drop preseason matchup to Cardinals
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BY JOEL A. ERICKSON | JERICKSON@THEADVOCATE.COM AUG 17, 2018 - 10:00 PM
The New Orleans Saints gave a lot of young players a chance to prove their promise in the first half of Friday night's preseason game against the Arizona Cardinals. A few rose to the challenge, but a player who had generated his fair share of preseason hype faltered. Offered his first chance to start an NFL preseason game, second-year quarterback Taysom Hill failed to protect the ball against Arizona's starting defense, and the rest of the Saints offense sputtered behind him in a 20-15 loss in the Mercedes-Benz Superdome. “I think it was a tough night for him," Saints coach Sean Payton said. "I think he'll rebound and be better.” Based on the playing-time patterns, New Orleans (1-1) headed into Friday night's preseason game hoping to get a closer look at young players who had flashed a glimpse of something special so far, whether in training camp practices or the preseason opener against Jacksonville. For example, third-year running back Jonathan Williams was given the first chance to carry the ball after veteran Mark Ingram — second-year star Alvin Kamara was held out of Friday night's game — in recognition of his impressive performance in the fourth quarter against the Jaguars last week. Williams, who is battling with veterans Terrance West and Shane Vereen, plus rookie Boston Scott, for the chance to fill in for Ingram while the veteran serves a four-game suspension for violating the NFL's policy on performance-enhancing drugs to start the season, rose to the challenge. Offered carries early and often, Williams ripped off a 19-yard run early, converted a key fourth down in the third quarter and finished with 37 yards on eight carries. On the other side of the ball, second-year defensive tackle Devaroe Lawrence backed up his surprising two-sack performance in the second half against the Jaguars by flashing again, this time against Arizona's starting offensive line and second-teamers. Lawrence picked up two tackles, recorded a tackle-for-loss and batted a pass, all while putting consistent pressure on Arizona's precocious rookie quarterback, Josh Rosen. Hill wasn't able to make the same kind of impression. Handed a chance to take on Arizona's starters by the team's decision to hold Drew Brees out of action, Hill was picked off on his first series when veteran receiver Cameron Meredith dropped a pass over the middle, and it got worse from there. Hill completed 11-of-15 passes for 68 yards and rushed three times for 43 yards, but he tossed two interceptions, lost two fumbles and nearly lost another, and nearly all of his passing yards came on the final drive of the first half. Before that series, Hill was 6-of-10 for a paltry 13 yards. Arizona (2-0), on the other hand, bounced back from a pair of early stops by the Saints' starting defense to post 17 points in the first half, with touchdowns by star running back David Johnson and a gorgeous touchdown pass from Rosen to Christian Kirk. Hill, who is also considered a core special-teamer by the Saints and has a good chance to make the 53-man roster even if he's not the primary backup to Brees, gave way to veteran Tom Savage at the half. Savage, the favorite for the backup job entering the game, completed 6-of-7 passes for 53 yards, but he also took three sacks and failed to get the ball in the end zone as the Saints settled for three Wil Lutz field goals. New Orleans didn't score a touchdown until undrafted rookie J.T. Barrett scrambled in from 12 yards out with 20 seconds left in the game. After two uninspiring performances by Savage and Hill to start the preseason, the Saints will now gear up for a trip to Los Angeles this week for joint practices against the Chargers and the all-important third preseason game, a chance for one of the backups to rise to the occasion and make the right impression. |
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He has the arm. He is athletically gifted. But, he's frantic in the pocket. The Saints should be on the phone with the Jets.
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He doesn't look anywhere close to being an NFL QB. Seems very confused and unsure of himself when he doesn't run the ball. Agree that he seems to have the tools, but will be a long work in progress.
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Why can’t he execute play-action without fumbling?
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I don't like this reasoning. There are a lot of special team guys who aren't a liability at their designated position. At this point, I would take Barrett over Hill. |
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Falters is putting it nicely, he was atrocious.
Fumbles trying to execute a play action, stares down receivers, overthrows a wide open Michael Thomas and only completes passes to curl routes. |
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J.T. has played against 3rd string defenses, but there is a calming presence he brings to the offense. I was impressed with the accuracy of that 2 point try drop by Griffin. Barrett threw a perfect ball.
J.T. isn't ready for 1s, but I can see him developing into a Tyrod Taylor/Sam Bradford type in regards of not turning the ball over. If I'm gonna have a 2nd tier backup QB, I'd rather him make good decisions & not turn the ball over like Taysom is doing. |
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its not even close that he'll ever be a no 2 imo, athletic yes spec. teams yes.tunnel vision maxed out. thinks to much on drop back which is why he fails to secure ball, emergency qb would define t hill. lets move on. savage is what he is, he won't win a game for you he can possibly save one with a big lead. barret with the boys that won't be on a roster when the season rolls around looks develop able.
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I would like to see more JT Barrett with the second stringers. But I agree with the early post I would be calling the Jets right now.....
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Not saying it will be the same but Aaron Brooks stunk so bad in his first preseason that Haslett wondered why the staff recommended him.
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He's a cool gimmick player. He works great as a gunner on ST, and I like the idea of having him as the holder for field goals. That speed makes him a legitimate threat to be able to run or pass in that situation. But I'll stick with what I said months ago.. if they thought he had an actual chance to step in when Drew retires, he would never have seen a snap on ST. He might end up being a good QB someday, but he would need years, I'm talking anywhere from 5-10 before he's ready. I would actually love to see him transition to slot receiver. I think that's where he could make a real impact in the much nearer future. He could continue to serve as a core special teamer and emergency third QB while he learns his new position. Then you end up with a guy who has multiple position flexibility in the here and now, which is always a good thing. Along with what I think is a pretty good chance that he could become a great slot receiver. His size and speed alone would make him a matchup problem. He should already have a pretty good idea about coverages and route concepts, even if he can't use it to his advantage as a QB. I mean it's what Cam Meredith did and it seems to be working out for him. I dunno, I hope they consider it. They obviously like having him around and want to keep him. Why not give it a shot?
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I disagree with most of the posts. Everyone can have an off game. Even Drew has had some stinkers. Lombardi, Payton and Drew will help this kid and he will be very good one day. One thing noticed is that they did not call plays to his strength. No rollouts or moving the pockets
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Reminds me a little like Tebow... well maybe more than a little.
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I just have to wonder, with Hill, if his nerves weren't his biggest obstacle.
I am willing to see him get another shot, but the leash would be pretty short if I were in charge. I'd also like to see Barrett get his time too. Of the three he impressed the most last night IMO. |
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I’m not saying that’s it for t hill . I believe he’s more of like a g man give him a job to do one thing and he will master it . A qb has several jobs to do at one time . This guy will do and get it done what u ask if it’s 2 yards for a first he will pound it but to start checking down receivers , stepping up in the pocket , avoiding a de at your blind side , it’s over whelming for the guy as of now |
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Everyone needs to call the **** down. It was one game. Hill hasn't seen live game action at QB in two years. Let him get more live snaps...
John Fourcade looked like a world beater cleaning up in the last minutes of the fourth quarter in PreSeason; then reality hit against the ones... |
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I’m not sure if J.T. Barrett is the QB of the future, but I tried to tell people he was a better QB than Taysom Hill based on their college careers and people argued me down. Barrett was very successful in college. You put J.T. Barrett on LSU and they win several championships. He’s used to the big moments.
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If hill is this bad at this point on his career, he's never going to develop. Done, over, move on from that concept. Noce to keep for his ST play and if you ever needed an emergency in a game
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This Lawrence dude keeps making plays and might be a nice surprise.
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Obviously he could have run a lot more but he stayed in the pocket and delivered the ball like Payton told him to so we could get better film on him. When he did run he was successful and picked up a first down and more. The fumbles can be fixed with the coach grilling him and working on the hand off and QB keeper. How large are this kids hands anyway? |
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JT should get some reps over Hill with the 2's to see what he does. I just don't see what everyone see in Taysom or Savage. I honestly believe the Saints need to draft (I thought we would in 2017) a QB next year. Maybe Barrett can emerge in a few years as our #2, but who knows. What's for sure though is that our franchise QB of the future is 100% not on this roster. |
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Garrett Grayson was closer to NFL ready than Taysom is. Surprises me how many people still want to wait and see with him. No one wanted to give poor GG the same benefit of the doubt.
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I thought so too!! GG was inexperienced, but he seemed to have the right stuff to be a starter at some point.
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Hill was picked up after Training Camp last season (Cut-down Day); so he's only had one Training Camp with the Saints... Keep the record straight, accurate... |
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Whether Taysom has played in one game or 12, one thing I do know is that Coach Payton will not tolerate turnovers (3 fumbles & 2 lost) & not protecting the ball.
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Those fumbles were just silly. I can live with the first pick eventhough I feel like he should have thrown it as soon as the receiver broke on his slant...but the second one and those fumbles? Silly.
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UDFA QB's who play on special teams become starting QBs pretty much never + Hill's hands are too small (see fumbles in p/s game #2). NFL Scouts/analysts make reference to these details for a reason. I just hope this kid isn't getting reps because he's athletic.
FYI, the great Drew Brees has 10+ inch hands. |
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IMAGINE IF D.S. AND THE MICKSTER PICKED LAMAR JACKSON INSTEAD? AT LEAST T.HILL DIDN'T COST A WHOLE BUNCH OF FIRST ROUND PICKS? YOUNG QB'S DRAFTED SINCE 2009 TYLER PALKO, SEAN CANFIELD, GARRET GRAYSON THE FREE AGENTS ACTUALLY TO MAKE OTHER ROSTERS CHASE DANIEL AND RYAN GRIFFIN
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GG couldn't find an open wide receiver with 3 to 1 WR to DB ratio. |
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