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dizzle88 09-11-2018 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Utah_Saint (Post 812214)
Mike Nolan needs to get his **** together and fast.

All the linebackers looked lost and slow.

Cutting Stupar looks pretty stupid now.

This is the same Demario Davis that was 6th in the league in tackles just last year. Moving him from the middle doesn't seem to be working. That's on Nolan too.

Almost all of us in this forum can see that Craig Robertson needs to be starting, why can't Nolan see it?

When you make these types of moves and they work, you look like a genius.

When you make these types of moves and they don't work, you look for another job.
Because Nolan isn't making the calls, Payton is.

Rob Ryan said that Payton got too involved in Defense in 2014 and screwed up a plan that worked, all of a sudden we have a great D last year that sucks again and all players are playing out of their natural positions.

Coincidence? Multiple Defensive Coordinators, same Defense fielded.

Rell&Gold 09-11-2018 12:18 PM
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Not hard to play like Fitzpatrick when there's NO pass rush and you're WR are running WID open down the field

Rell&Gold 09-11-2018 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 811966)
Actually you have to give him credit he put the ball up where only the WR's could get to it.

They took advantage of their WR's height over our shorter DB's.
"He put it where only the WR could get to it" there was no one else around he had worry about getting it but Maybe another Bucs WR

spkb25 09-11-2018 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 812269)
Because Nolan isn't making the calls, Payton is.

Rob Ryan said that Payton got too involved in Defense in 2014 and screwed up a plan that worked, all of a sudden we have a great D last year that sucks again and all players are playing out of their natural positions.

Coincidence? Multiple Defensive Coordinators, same Defense fielded.
I actually agree that SP is getting involved, but RR had the same complaints in Buffalo he did here.

The shame was what we did to Spags. Dude had ****ing 0 talent and took all the blame. Corey white was a starting CB as a rookie 🙄🙄🙄🙄

The linebacker shuffle is stupid. Teo might need to start and why isn't Robertson playing? Mind numbing. But none of that can help bad defensive tackles. We have really poor talent there

jeanpierre 09-11-2018 02:57 PM
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jeanpierre 09-11-2018 06:15 PM
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Barry from MS 09-11-2018 06:40 PM
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They need to leave Te'o on the field more than the other LBs.

Seriously. Stop laughing.

rezburna 09-12-2018 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Barry from MS (Post 812329)
They need to leave Te'o on the field more than the other LBs.

Seriously. Stop laughing.
I’d be completely fine with this:

SLB - Robertson
MLB - Davis
WLB - Te’o

We immediately become a lot slower at the position, but also a lot smarter and more discipline. Plus Te’o and Robertson are better against the run and tend to get more interceptions in coverage because they know the game better. Klein is horrible though. We need to keep him off the field at all costs. Stupar was much better than he is...and Stupar is WILDLY overrated on these forums.

K Major 09-12-2018 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Rell&Gold (Post 812270)
Not hard to play like Fitzpatrick when there's NO pass rush and you're WR are running WID open down the field
Precisely.

Not making excuses for anyone on the back end, but it's a lot harder to play defense if you can't generate a pass rush. These offenses are too good. At this level, even an average QB will slice you up. If you don't put em under duress, they (see Fitzpatrick) will complete passes.

We must do a better job up front on Sunday.

ChrisXVI 09-12-2018 09:35 AM
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Nick Underhill said that Fitzpatrick was getting the ball out in under 2 seconds a lot of the time; including the bomb to Evans where he burned Lattimore. There isn’t much the pass rush can do in those situations. They just played a completely different ball game than we expected.

K Major 09-12-2018 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 812425)
Nick Underhill said that Fitzpatrick was getting the ball out in under 2 seconds a lot of the time; including the bomb to Evans where he burned Lattimore. There isn’t much the pass rush can do in those situations. They just played a completely different ball game than we expected.
Excellent point but my counter to that would be Tampa had designed plays & quick releases yet OUR corners never adjusted to play press at the line. Rez could probably explain further but you gotta believe that would knock off timing on the QB. I saw no adjustments from Latt/Crawley or Dennis Allen.

I take nothing away from the Bucs. That was a terrific offensive game plan starting with their QB. Fitz balled.

AsylumGuido 09-12-2018 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 812425)
Nick Underhill said that Fitzpatrick was getting the ball out in under 2 seconds a lot of the time; including the bomb to Evans where he burned Lattimore. There isn’t much the pass rush can do in those situations. They just played a completely different ball game than we expected.
I hadn't seen that number yet, but it sure did appear he was getting it out quick. That's almost impossible to defend, but requires pinpoint accuracy. Fitz was on fire all day. I told a Bucs fan in New Orleans for the game that I was more concerned about Fitz than Winston. He agreed saying he is either crap or all-pro and you never know which you are going to get until the game starts.

AsylumGuido 09-12-2018 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 812454)
Excellent point but my counter to that would be Tampa had designed plays & quick releases yet OUR corners never adjusted to play press at the line. Rez could probably explain further but you gotta believe that would knock off timing on the QB. I saw no adjustments from Latt/Crawley or Dennis Allen.

I take nothing away from the Bucs. That was a terrific offensive game plan starting with their QB. Fitz balled.
I think you have highlighted the right area.

jeanpierre 09-12-2018 05:35 PM
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ChrisXVI 09-12-2018 05:43 PM
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Agreed. Trying to get too cute.

Utah_Saint 09-12-2018 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 812567)
Kinda goin on a tangent...

On that Thomas fumble, did you notice who made the tackle on Ryan Smith? Max Unger. He ran 20 yards down field to make the tackle. He didn't know it was going to be a fumble when he took off running, but he followed the play like they teach you to do in Pop Warner. That coulda been a huge return.

That's the kind of hustle that separates winners from losers. He's a great example for the younger guys.

WillMacKenzie 09-12-2018 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Utah_Saint (Post 812589)
Kinda goin on a tangent...

On that Thomas fumble, did you notice who made the tackle on Ryan Smith? Max Unger. He ran 20 yards down field to make the tackle. He didn't know it was going to be a fumble when he took off running, but he followed the play like they teach you to do in Pop Warner. That coulda been a huge return.

That's the kind of hustle that separates winners from losers. He's a great example for the younger guys.
Love Unger, the guy never loses sight of the overall situation. That’s what you want a team made out of.

gulfgambler 09-12-2018 07:53 PM
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BS loss, at home, 6 months to prepare, too much reading your own press clippings, defense regresses to 2015-16, NO, NONE, NADA F ing excuse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

gulfgambler 09-12-2018 08:01 PM
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de·fense
[dəˈfens, ˈdēˌfens]
NOUN

the action of defending from or resisting attack.


(in sports) the action or role of defending one's goal against the opposition.
"we played solid defense"


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