Guido

K Major · 09-12-2018, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

The Vikings play a lot of the defense we don't need to be running that often. Cover 1 and Cover 3. They do a lot of single high safety and bring their other safety down in the box. When they're taking away the run they bring Harrison Smith down. When they're worried about the pass the leave Harrison Smith back. He can do both. He's an elite safety and great center fielder. He's top 3 at his position. We don't have that. A safety like that allows you to gamble. Plus they get a lot of pressure...which allows them to play press man because they know their pass rush will get there and their DB's won't have to cover forever.

+1.

Side note - Rez, did you play some safety in college as well as corner ?

rezburna · 09-12-2018, 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

+1.

Side note - Rez, did you play some safety in college as well as corner ?

Nah. I probably should have though. I didn't have high-end, cornerback speed. I was more of a Malcolm Jenkins when it came to speed...part of the reason he got moved to safety in the NFL. If I would have been as committed to the game as I regret not being I probably would have been in that kind of role. Probably not to that level though. Morgan Burnett maybe.

rezburna · 09-12-2018, 02:26 PM

Now I will say this, I want us to be able to run Cover 1 and 3 more often. I prefer it...but you MUST get pressure. Especially when you're running Cover 1. We ran these two defenses A LOT last year. If you watch some film on a couple of games WR's were flashing open deep, but we got pressure QB's didn't see it.

The Dude · 09-12-2018, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Now I will say this, I want us to be able to run Cover 1 and 3 more often. I prefer it...but you MUST get pressure. Especially when you're running Cover 1. We ran these two defenses A LOT last year. If you watch some film on a couple of games WR's were flashing open deep, but we got pressure QB's didn't see it.

Why on earth are they trying to fix something that wasn’t broken.

rezburna · 09-12-2018, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Why on earth are they trying to fix something that wasn’t broken.

They're running the same defense, they just aren't getting pressure so the QB has time to see those people flash open that flashed open last year too. It's often the same spot. Down the seam on the right side of the field where the safety is supposed to be hovering and making plays. Williams isn't a single high safety in my opinion. He's not consistent at it at least. We should try some Cover 2 and 2-Man under. Cover 6 as well. 6 is Cover 2 on one side and Cover 3 on the other. Crawley should almost always be the Cover 2 side because he's a liability in deep coverage. He holds for no reason.

AsylumGuido · 09-12-2018, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

They're running the same defense, they just aren't getting pressure so the QB has time to see those people flash open that flashed open last year too. It's often the same spot. Down the seam on the right side of the field where the safety is supposed to be hovering and making plays. Williams isn't a single high safety in my opinion. He's not consistent at it at least. We should try some Cover 2 and 2-Man under. Cover 6 as well. 6 is Cover 2 on one side and Cover 3 on the other. Crawley should almost always be the Cover 2 side because he's a liability in deep coverage. He holds for no reason.

Does the fact that Fitz released the ball in under 2 seconds most of the time throw a monkey wrench into that plan?

saintfan · 09-12-2018, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Does the fact that Fitz released the ball in under 2 seconds most of the time throw a monkey wrench into that plan?

Granted I did not watch the entire game, but when I was watching he had all day and all night, some vacation time, some personal days, and even a few sick days to casually look around and toss the ball.

rezburna · 09-12-2018, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Does the fact that Fitz released the ball in under 2 seconds most of the time throw a monkey wrench into that plan?

Most definitely. If he’s getting the ball off that fast you have to press and throw off that timing. Disguise coverages. It’s a bad situation though because Evans scored a TD on a go by beating the press of Lattimore. Crawley was getting burned by Jackson so I don’t trust him to press either. That’s why they should have ran 2-Man under so the safeties would be over the top on both sides in case somebody lost at the line. You let Robinson handle Humphries and you put Davis on the TE. If the running back stays in to block the extra linebacker needs to help on the TE or spy the QB.

09-12-2018, 02:09 PM	#1
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,916 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Guido Originally Posted by rezburna The Vikings play a lot of the defense we don't need to be running that often. Cover 1 and Cover 3. They do a lot of single high safety and bring their other safety down in the box. When they're taking away the run they bring Harrison Smith down. When they're worried about the pass the leave Harrison Smith back. He can do both. He's an elite safety and great center fielder. He's top 3 at his position. We don't have that. A safety like that allows you to gamble. Plus they get a lot of pressure...which allows them to play press man because they know their pass rush will get there and their DB's won't have to cover forever. +1. Side note - Rez, did you play some safety in college as well as corner ?

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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,238	Re: Guido Originally Posted by K Major +1. Side note - Rez, did you play some safety in college as well as corner ? Nah. I probably should have though. I didn't have high-end, cornerback speed. I was more of a Malcolm Jenkins when it came to speed...part of the reason he got moved to safety in the NFL. If I would have been as committed to the game as I regret not being I probably would have been in that kind of role. Probably not to that level though. Morgan Burnett maybe. K Major likes this.

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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,238	Re: Guido Now I will say this, I want us to be able to run Cover 1 and 3 more often. I prefer it...but you MUST get pressure. Especially when you're running Cover 1. We ran these two defenses A LOT last year. If you watch some film on a couple of games WR's were flashing open deep, but we got pressure QB's didn't see it. CharityMike likes this.

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,076	Re: Guido Originally Posted by rezburna Now I will say this, I want us to be able to run Cover 1 and 3 more often. I prefer it...but you MUST get pressure. Especially when you're running Cover 1. We ran these two defenses A LOT last year. If you watch some film on a couple of games WR's were flashing open deep, but we got pressure QB's didn't see it. Why on earth are they trying to fix something that wasn’t broken. RockyMountainSaint likes this.
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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,238	Re: Guido Originally Posted by The Dude Why on earth are they trying to fix something that wasn’t broken. They're running the same defense, they just aren't getting pressure so the QB has time to see those people flash open that flashed open last year too. It's often the same spot. Down the seam on the right side of the field where the safety is supposed to be hovering and making plays. Williams isn't a single high safety in my opinion. He's not consistent at it at least. We should try some Cover 2 and 2-Man under. Cover 6 as well. 6 is Cover 2 on one side and Cover 3 on the other. Crawley should almost always be the Cover 2 side because he's a liability in deep coverage. He holds for no reason. CharityMike likes this.
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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,953	Re: Guido Originally Posted by rezburna They're running the same defense, they just aren't getting pressure so the QB has time to see those people flash open that flashed open last year too. It's often the same spot. Down the seam on the right side of the field where the safety is supposed to be hovering and making plays. Williams isn't a single high safety in my opinion. He's not consistent at it at least. We should try some Cover 2 and 2-Man under. Cover 6 as well. 6 is Cover 2 on one side and Cover 3 on the other. Crawley should almost always be the Cover 2 side because he's a liability in deep coverage. He holds for no reason. Does the fact that Fitz released the ball in under 2 seconds most of the time throw a monkey wrench into that plan?

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saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Guido Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Does the fact that Fitz released the ball in under 2 seconds most of the time throw a monkey wrench into that plan? Granted I did not watch the entire game, but when I was watching he had all day and all night, some vacation time, some personal days, and even a few sick days to casually look around and toss the ball.

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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,238	Re: Guido Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Does the fact that Fitz released the ball in under 2 seconds most of the time throw a monkey wrench into that plan? Most definitely. If he’s getting the ball off that fast you have to press and throw off that timing. Disguise coverages. It’s a bad situation though because Evans scored a TD on a go by beating the press of Lattimore. Crawley was getting burned by Jackson so I don’t trust him to press either. That’s why they should have ran 2-Man under so the safeties would be over the top on both sides in case somebody lost at the line. You let Robinson handle Humphries and you put Davis on the TE. If the running back stays in to block the extra linebacker needs to help on the TE or spy the QB. AsylumGuido and K Major like this.
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