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The Dude · 09-12-2018, 09:49 PM

I don’t know but am learning the more intricate parts of the game yet. From what I saw though it seemed the players were expected to play different style football than they did last year. Williams was all over the field, he’s not Deon Jones, Lattimore and Crawley seemed to be playing off the receivers etc.
We got a good, proven MLB and have him rotating.

Last year our DBs were playing primarily man. From what I saw that wasn’t the case Sunday. It could be that the receivers were simply getting no separation IDK.
In any case they need to put David at MLB and get some consistency there so they can jel.
I also hope Meridith makes it back soon and Carr can step up because having to rely solely on See ya tomarra Kamara and Thomas is dangerous.

rezburna · 09-13-2018, 07:00 AM

Originally Posted by The Dude

I don’t know but am learning the more intricate parts of the game yet. From what I saw though it seemed the players were expected to play different style football than they did last year. Williams was all over the field, he’s not Deon Jones, Lattimore and Crawley seemed to be playing off the receivers etc.
We got a good, proven MLB and have him rotating.

Last year our DBs were playing primarily man. From what I saw that wasn’t the case Sunday. It could be that the receivers were simply getting no separation IDK.
In any case they need to put David at MLB and get some consistency there so they can jel.
I also hope Meridith makes it back soon and Carr can step up because having to rely solely on See ya tomarra Kamara and Thomas is dangerous.

The Saints play a LOT of man. I don’t mind it. That’s the specialty of Lattimore and Crawley. Crawley just panics when it’s time to make a play on the ball. He covers exceptionally well. I don’t like the coverage on the back end though. I don’t really like Williams being the lone safety. I think they need to play 2-Man Under. For those who don’t know, that’s when the safeties play cover 2 and everybody else is in man. That cuts the field in half for Williams and Bell/Coleman. With this offense we just need to go bend but don’t break like the Patriots.

The Dude · 09-13-2018, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

The Saints play a LOT of man. I don’t mind it. That’s the specialty of Lattimore and Crawley. Crawley just panics when it’s time to make a play on the ball. He covers exceptionally well. I don’t like the coverage on the back end though. I don’t really like Williams being the lone safety. I think they need to play 2-Man Under. For those who don’t know, that’s when the safeties play cover 2 and everybody else is in man. That cuts the field in half for Williams and Bell/Coleman. With this offense we just need to go bend but don’t break like the Patriots.

That’s what I am getting at. Last year Lattimore was a God in man coverage and Crawley was very good too. It seems like throughout preseason and game 1 they got away from that. Is that the case or was it simply them just getting no separation?
In regard to Williams, are they trying to plug him into Vaccaros role?
Vacarro was great in space but I remember people complaining that the coaches weren’t playing him that way in years past.
Suddenly Williams comes along which allows Vaccaro to play in a position to suit his strengths. Now that vacarro is gone they are trying to get Williams to assume that role.
Why **** with that?

rezburna · 09-13-2018, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

That’s what I am getting at. Last year Lattimore was a God in man coverage and Crawley was very good too. It seems like throughout preseason and game 1 they got away from that. Is that the case or was it simply them just getting no separation?
In regard to Williams, are they trying to plug him into Vaccaros role?
Vacarro was great in space but I remember people complaining that the coaches weren’t playing him that way in years past.
Suddenly Williams comes along which allows Vaccaro to play in a position to suit his strengths. Now that vacarro is gone they are trying to get Williams to assume that role.
Why **** with that?

1. In regard to Williams, are they trying to plug him into Vaccaro's role?

Nope. He's still playing single-high safety most of the time. This is something they did a lot last year as well, but like I said earlier, there was better pressure on the QB. They usually try to use Bell in Vacarro's role, but he isn't good at it at all. They've been running more Nickel packages instead of Big Nickel (3 safeties instead of 3 corners) packages with Vacarro gone.

2. It seems like throughout preseason and game 1 they got away from that.

From what I see they're still mostly running Cover 1 (man to man) and Cover 3 (zone). Mike Evans long touchdown was against Lattimore in man to man. Lattimore loss at the line and then got burned, which I don't see happening last year. He looks sluggish. To be honest, the Saints were just losing 50/50 balls against bigger receivers.

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That's the Desean Jackson TD. From this view it looks like the Saints were in Cover 3. What that means is the outside, cornerbacks have anything deep on their side. The WLB and the 3rd cornerback (because they're in Nickel) have the flats. The Mike has the short to intermediate middle. The FS has anything over the top to either side. He has to cover the entire field from sideline to sideline. The SS sits on the seam.

I'm positive Desean Jackson pushed that route inside and gave Williams a stick in that direction then started to drift out after he ran by the SS. This caused separation and it doesn't help that Jackson is a BURNER. Crawley should have been back there to help, but he probably assumed Jackson was going across the field and decided to help out on the lone receiver to the outside. Fact is, this was the perfect play call and execution to beat the defense we were playing.

RockyMountainSaint · 09-12-2018, 10:43 PM

So in SUNSHINE language, losing early games is freaking awesome because we won 11 games last year?

Frick Yeah!

Your SUNSHINE GOD Sean Payton plans 0-2 for glory later.

You SUNSHINE sycophants nod along and act like you told we non-believers, but our SUNSHINE isn't super-bright like yours is.

I get it now.......

Y'all are cultists.

RockyMountainSaint · 09-12-2018, 11:46 PM

I find it hilarious that you guys have it all figured out in respect to how you would use the Saints personnel but the SUNSHINE GOD and his defensive acolyte cannot.

But it's all good, 0-2 every year is Modern Saints Dogma obviously.

AsylumGuido · 09-13-2018, 06:36 AM

Originally Posted by RockyMountainSaint

I find it hilarious that you guys have it all figured out in respect to how you would use the Saints personnel but the SUNSHINE GOD and his defensive acolyte cannot.

But it's all good, 0-2 every year is Modern Saints Dogma obviously.

So I take it you are fully expecting a loss this Sunday?

Rugby Saint II · 09-13-2018, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Gimme something positive.

Dude. Guido it's just a no-nonsense character and he's very well informed. I very seldom disagree with him maybe a little but his message is true none the

The Dude · 09-13-2018, 12:51 PM

Coleman and Davis were supposed to be upgrades. So far I haven’t seen squat from them. I don’t think it’s them either.

rezburna · 09-13-2018, 01:19 PM

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I'm watching these highlights right now. Here's what I see as I go.

1. When O.J. Howard caught that pass down the seam Saints were in man to man. It looks like Cover 1. Marcus Williams wasn't the single-high safety, Von Bell was. Williams plays kind of the intermediate-middle role, and he went to try and undercut a pass. Davis already had it under control underneath though. Williams should have went high since Davis had low. If he did it would have been a pick. At the least an incomplete pass. Davis did well all things considered. Matched up on Howard 1 on 1 is no easy task for anybody, let alone a LB.

2. Saints were in man to man when Goodwin caught the TD on the back-shoulder fade. Perfect pass. Crawley just loss that match up. He was in great position. He just got outmuscled by the bigger guy.

3. The long TD to Mike Evans was either Cover 3 or Cover 1. Either way Lattimore was 1 on 1 with Evans and just flat out loss the match up like Crawley did earlier. Williams is always chasing from behind though. He's never coming over the top like he should be.

4. The 2nd TD to Jackson looks like Cover 3 again. Jackson goes up the seam and scores. Nobody over the top like there should be. Make's Crawley look pretty bad, but I'm not sure if it's really his fault. It's hard to tell from the sideline view. This might be a Williams thing again. Our safeties are trying to do too much.

That's every passing TD and bigger passing play they had. Cover 3. Cover 1. That's Seattle's defense. That's the Vikings defense. It's not working out well for us at the moment.

09-12-2018, 09:49 PM	#1
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,060	Re: Guido I don’t know but am learning the more intricate parts of the game yet. From what I saw though it seemed the players were expected to play different style football than they did last year. Williams was all over the field, he’s not Deon Jones, Lattimore and Crawley seemed to be playing off the receivers etc. We got a good, proven MLB and have him rotating. Last year our DBs were playing primarily man. From what I saw that wasn’t the case Sunday. It could be that the receivers were simply getting no separation IDK. In any case they need to put David at MLB and get some consistency there so they can jel. I also hope Meridith makes it back soon and Carr can step up because having to rely solely on See ya tomarra Kamara and Thomas is dangerous.
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09-13-2018, 07:00 AM	#2
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,099	Re: Guido Originally Posted by The Dude I don’t know but am learning the more intricate parts of the game yet. From what I saw though it seemed the players were expected to play different style football than they did last year. Williams was all over the field, he’s not Deon Jones, Lattimore and Crawley seemed to be playing off the receivers etc. We got a good, proven MLB and have him rotating. Last year our DBs were playing primarily man. From what I saw that wasn’t the case Sunday. It could be that the receivers were simply getting no separation IDK. In any case they need to put David at MLB and get some consistency there so they can jel. I also hope Meridith makes it back soon and Carr can step up because having to rely solely on See ya tomarra Kamara and Thomas is dangerous. The Saints play a LOT of man. I don’t mind it. That’s the specialty of Lattimore and Crawley. Crawley just panics when it’s time to make a play on the ball. He covers exceptionally well. I don’t like the coverage on the back end though. I don’t really like Williams being the lone safety. I think they need to play 2-Man Under. For those who don’t know, that’s when the safeties play cover 2 and everybody else is in man. That cuts the field in half for Williams and Bell/Coleman. With this offense we just need to go bend but don’t break like the Patriots. AsylumGuido, WW_Who_Dat and K Major like this.
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09-13-2018, 12:43 PM	#3
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,060	Re: Guido Originally Posted by rezburna The Saints play a LOT of man. I don’t mind it. That’s the specialty of Lattimore and Crawley. Crawley just panics when it’s time to make a play on the ball. He covers exceptionally well. I don’t like the coverage on the back end though. I don’t really like Williams being the lone safety. I think they need to play 2-Man Under. For those who don’t know, that’s when the safeties play cover 2 and everybody else is in man. That cuts the field in half for Williams and Bell/Coleman. With this offense we just need to go bend but don’t break like the Patriots. That’s what I am getting at. Last year Lattimore was a God in man coverage and Crawley was very good too. It seems like throughout preseason and game 1 they got away from that. Is that the case or was it simply them just getting no separation? In regard to Williams, are they trying to plug him into Vaccaros role? Vacarro was great in space but I remember people complaining that the coaches weren’t playing him that way in years past. Suddenly Williams comes along which allows Vaccaro to play in a position to suit his strengths. Now that vacarro is gone they are trying to get Williams to assume that role. Why **** with that?
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09-12-2018, 10:43 PM	#5
RockyMountainSaint Mmm That Smell! Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Metairie Terrace Posts: 3,073	Re: Guido So in SUNSHINE language, losing early games is freaking awesome because we won 11 games last year? Frick Yeah! Your SUNSHINE GOD Sean Payton plans 0-2 for glory later. You SUNSHINE sycophants nod along and act like you told we non-believers, but our SUNSHINE isn't super-bright like yours is. I get it now....... Y'all are cultists. The Dude likes this.

09-12-2018, 11:46 PM	#6
RockyMountainSaint Mmm That Smell! Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Metairie Terrace Posts: 3,073	Re: Guido I find it hilarious that you guys have it all figured out in respect to how you would use the Saints personnel but the SUNSHINE GOD and his defensive acolyte cannot. But it's all good, 0-2 every year is Modern Saints Dogma obviously.

09-13-2018, 06:36 AM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Guido Originally Posted by RockyMountainSaint I find it hilarious that you guys have it all figured out in respect to how you would use the Saints personnel but the SUNSHINE GOD and his defensive acolyte cannot. But it's all good, 0-2 every year is Modern Saints Dogma obviously. So I take it you are fully expecting a loss this Sunday?

09-13-2018, 12:31 PM	#8
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09-13-2018, 12:51 PM	#9
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,060	Re: Guido Coleman and Davis were supposed to be upgrades. So far I haven’t seen squat from them. I don’t think it’s them either.
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