Roger Goodell, Saints players tour New Orleans' criminal justice system

09-12-2018, 10:54 AM

"My own analysis of data from the 2012 National Survey on Drug Use and Health shows that 6.6 percent of white adolescents and young adults (aged 12 to 25) sold drugs, compared to just 5.0 percent of blacks (a 32 percent difference)."

AsylumGuido · 09-12-2018, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Moving the Goalposts

Description: Demanding from an opponent that he or she address more and more points after the initial counter-argument has been satisfied refusing to concede or accept the opponent’s argument.

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/..._the_Goalposts

You got that right. I deal with this all the time around here.

AsylumGuido · 09-12-2018, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by spkb25

A survey...really..a survey. Come on bro just stop. You're now using data 40 years old and that is a survey. Stop.

You're getting used, spk. Give up while you're behind.

spkb25 · 09-12-2018, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Moving the Goalposts

Description: Demanding from an opponent that he or she address more and more points after the initial counter-argument has been satisfied refusing to concede or accept the opponent’s argument.

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/..._the_Goalposts

You haven't provided any real data. Youre using cherry picked studies that on one hand don't take prior history, and then when you include a study with prior history you intentionally conflate use and possession. Finally to now, somehow, demonstrate that use and distribution is higher in suburban neighborhoods ( where the inner city residents keep trying to move to, because they have higher crime, laughable) you use a survey...

frydaddy · 09-12-2018, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

You got that right. I deal with this all the time around here.

Funny you say that, because we all deal with the exact same out of you. I have gone from loathing you and everything you post, to understanding and agreeing with you on a lot of things. One thing has remained constant though, and that is your steadfast refusal to admit you're wrong, be swayed from your opinions or apologize. No matter the circumstance.

rezburna · 09-12-2018, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

You must not have read Rez's post at all. The studies state:

Just saying, spk. Maybe read before you respond.

I knew he wasn't reading the data. He responded too fast. The first link is a LONG study. Peer-reviewed. A scholarly article. It's several pages long.

spkb25 · 09-12-2018, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I knew he wasn't reading the data. He responded too fast. The first link is a LONG study. Peer-reviewed. A scholarly article. It's several pages long.

Oh I'm reading the exerpts your posting. You're right, right now I'm not about to dive into the data, how it was collected, and analyze it. You provided the conclusions, that's what I'm going off of

AsylumGuido · 09-12-2018, 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by spkb25

You haven't provided any real data. Youre using cherry picked studies that on one hand don't take prior history, and then when you include a study with prior history you intentionally conflate use and possession. Finally to now, somehow, demonstrate that use and distribution is higher in suburban neighborhoods ( where the inner city residents keep trying to move to, because they have higher crime, laughable) you use a survey...

The first studies he posted specifically stated that they took prior history and/or circumstances under consideration. You obviously ignored that given it was right there in black and white ... or failed to comprehend ... or both.

AsylumGuido · 09-12-2018, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by spkb25

Oh I'm reading the exerpts your posting. You're right, right now I'm not about to dive into the data, how it was collected, and analyze it. You provided the conclusions, that's what I'm going off of

Off looking for some cherries to pick?

AsylumGuido · 09-12-2018, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by frydaddy

Funny you say that, because we all deal with the exact same out of you. I have gone from loathing you and everything you post, to understanding and agreeing with you on a lot of things. One thing has remained constant though, and that is your steadfast refusal to admit you're wrong, be swayed from your opinions or apologize. No matter the circumstance.

But I am so very rarely wrong.

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09-12-2018, 10:54 AM	#22
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,241	Re: Roger Goodell, Saints players tour New Orleans' criminal justice system Originally Posted by rezburna Moving the Goalposts Description: Demanding from an opponent that he or she address more and more points after the initial counter-argument has been satisfied refusing to concede or accept the opponent’s argument. https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/..._the_Goalposts You got that right. I deal with this all the time around here. cmike and rezburna like this.

09-12-2018, 10:55 AM	#23
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,241	Re: Roger Goodell, Saints players tour New Orleans' criminal justice system Originally Posted by spkb25 A survey...really..a survey. Come on bro just stop. You're now using data 40 years old and that is a survey. Stop. You're getting used, spk. Give up while you're behind.

09-12-2018, 10:57 AM	#24
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	Re: Roger Goodell, Saints players tour New Orleans' criminal justice system Originally Posted by rezburna Moving the Goalposts Description: Demanding from an opponent that he or she address more and more points after the initial counter-argument has been satisfied refusing to concede or accept the opponent’s argument. https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/..._the_Goalposts You haven't provided any real data. Youre using cherry picked studies that on one hand don't take prior history, and then when you include a study with prior history you intentionally conflate use and possession. Finally to now, somehow, demonstrate that use and distribution is higher in suburban neighborhoods ( where the inner city residents keep trying to move to, because they have higher crime, laughable) you use a survey... frydaddy likes this.

09-12-2018, 10:58 AM	#25
frydaddy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Lafayette Posts: 1,950 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Roger Goodell, Saints players tour New Orleans' criminal justice system Originally Posted by AsylumGuido You got that right. I deal with this all the time around here. Funny you say that, because we all deal with the exact same out of you. I have gone from loathing you and everything you post, to understanding and agreeing with you on a lot of things. One thing has remained constant though, and that is your steadfast refusal to admit you're wrong, be swayed from your opinions or apologize. No matter the circumstance. jnormand, AsylumGuido and CharityMike like this.

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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,903	Re: Roger Goodell, Saints players tour New Orleans' criminal justice system Originally Posted by AsylumGuido You must not have read Rez's post at all. The studies state: Just saying, spk. Maybe read before you respond. I knew he wasn't reading the data. He responded too fast. The first link is a LONG study. Peer-reviewed. A scholarly article. It's several pages long. AsylumGuido, cmike and K Major like this.

09-12-2018, 11:00 AM	#27
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	Re: Roger Goodell, Saints players tour New Orleans' criminal justice system Originally Posted by rezburna I knew he wasn't reading the data. He responded too fast. The first link is a LONG study. Peer-reviewed. A scholarly article. It's several pages long. Oh I'm reading the exerpts your posting. You're right, right now I'm not about to dive into the data, how it was collected, and analyze it. You provided the conclusions, that's what I'm going off of AsylumGuido and rezburna like this.

09-12-2018, 11:01 AM	#28
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,241	Re: Roger Goodell, Saints players tour New Orleans' criminal justice system Originally Posted by spkb25 You haven't provided any real data. Youre using cherry picked studies that on one hand don't take prior history, and then when you include a study with prior history you intentionally conflate use and possession. Finally to now, somehow, demonstrate that use and distribution is higher in suburban neighborhoods ( where the inner city residents keep trying to move to, because they have higher crime, laughable) you use a survey... The first studies he posted specifically stated that they took prior history and/or circumstances under consideration. You obviously ignored that given it was right there in black and white ... or failed to comprehend ... or both. rezburna likes this.

09-12-2018, 11:02 AM	#29
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,241	Re: Roger Goodell, Saints players tour New Orleans' criminal justice system Originally Posted by spkb25 Oh I'm reading the exerpts your posting. You're right, right now I'm not about to dive into the data, how it was collected, and analyze it. You provided the conclusions, that's what I'm going off of Off looking for some cherries to pick? cmike and rezburna like this.

09-12-2018, 11:07 AM	#30
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,241	Re: Roger Goodell, Saints players tour New Orleans' criminal justice system Originally Posted by frydaddy Funny you say that, because we all deal with the exact same out of you. I have gone from loathing you and everything you post, to understanding and agreeing with you on a lot of things. One thing has remained constant though, and that is your steadfast refusal to admit you're wrong, be swayed from your opinions or apologize. No matter the circumstance. But I am so very rarely wrong. rezburna likes this.

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