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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by rezburna "Everett and Wojtkiewicz (2002) find harsher sentences for African Americans arrested for drug offenses. Even when controlled for offense related variables, African Americans are twenty-two percent more likely to receive greater sentences than whites (Everett & ...
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Re: Roger Goodell, Saints players tour New Orleans' criminal justice system
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Most black criminals are given longer sentences due to prior records. Ya know, committing more crime should come with harsher and harsher penalties. ![]()
Stop grouping all drug crime together or most people will not take you seriously. When it come to possession for use we should treat that differently, especially the first offense. But distribution should have harsh penalties. It causes extremely violent crime. Similar crime statistics removing prior record is an irrelevant stat. So when you show me a broad study that takes into account allllll of the circumstances that are taken into account during sentencing, and you show me apples to apples comparisons between white and black criminals, and the results show a huge disparity we can begin to conversate. Cherry picking crimes committed without the other factors being included is irrelevant. It's actually a way to be dishonest and pretend you're not |
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"Some advocates of tough sentencing have argued that black people may commit more crimes than white people. A number of studies undermine this claim, particularly regarding drug use and distribution. A 2011 study found white people are more likely to abuse drugs than black people, with 9% of white people and 5% of African-Americans showing symptoms of substance abuse. Yet, African-Americans are 10 times more likely than white people to be arrested for drug crimes.
According to the Drug Policy Alliance, black people comprise 14% of regular drug users but account for 37% of drug arrests. Laws that may disproportionately target people of color may help explain this difference. For example, federal penalties for crack cocaine crimes were 100 times harsher than those for powdered cocaine. Statistically, black people are significantly more likely to use crack cocaine than white people. Though this disparity changed in 2010 with the Fair Sentencing Act, other disparities may continue to exist." Villines, Z. (2016) Study: Judges May Sentence Black Defendants More Harshly. Retrieved from https://www.goodtherapy.org/blog/stu...arshly-0301161 "Black men who commit the same crimes as white men receive federal prison sentences that are, on average, nearly 20 percent longer, according to a new report on sentencing disparities from the United States Sentencing Commission (USSC). These disparities were observed “after controlling for a wide variety of sentencing factors,” including age, education, citizenship, weapon possession and PRIOR CRIMINAL HISTORY." https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.ab5ccba08d88 |
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Again, confusing distribution with use. They're not the same. Distribution leads to violent crime. I can attest to this, personally, having resided in white suburban neighborhoods and an inner city predominantly black neighborhood. ![]()
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"Even more surprising is what gets left out of the chart: Blacks are far more likely to be arrested for selling or possessing drugs than whites, even though whites use drugs at the same rate. And whites are actually more likely to sell drugs.
Whites were about 45 percent more likely than blacks to sell drugs in 1980, according to an analysis of the National Longitudinal Survey of Youth by economist Robert Fairlie. This was consistent with a 1989 survey of youth in Boston. My own analysis of data from the 2012 National Survey on Drug Use and Health shows that 6.6 percent of white adolescents and young adults (aged 12 to 25) sold drugs, compared to just 5.0 percent of blacks (a 32 percent difference)." Ingraham, C. (2014). White people are more likely to deal drugs, but black people are more likely to get arrested for it. Retrieved from http://blackandgold.com/newreply.php...ote=1&p=812435 |
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Re: Roger Goodell, Saints players tour New Orleans' criminal justice system
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A survey...really..a survey. Come on bro just stop. You're now using data 40 years old and that is a survey. Stop.
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Re: Roger Goodell, Saints players tour New Orleans' criminal justice system
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You got that right. I deal with this all the time around here.![]()
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Funny you say that, because we all deal with the exact same out of you. I have gone from loathing you and everything you post, to understanding and agreeing with you on a lot of things. One thing has remained constant though, and that is your steadfast refusal to admit you're wrong, be swayed from your opinions or apologize. No matter the circumstance.
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Re: Roger Goodell, Saints players tour New Orleans' criminal justice system
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You haven't provided any real data. Youre using cherry picked studies that on one hand don't take prior history, and then when you include a study with prior history you intentionally conflate use and possession. Finally to now, somehow, demonstrate that use and distribution is higher in suburban neighborhoods ( where the inner city residents keep trying to move to, because they have higher crime, laughable) you use a survey...
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