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SmashMouth 09-16-2018 03:17 PM

6 takeaways from the Saints' victory over the Browns
 
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It was ugly, but the New Orleans Saints beat the Cleveland Browns on Sunday at the Mercedes-Benz Superdome.

In the 21-18 victory, the Saints overcame a 12-3 deficit in the fourth quarter, eventually wining with a 44-yard field goal from Wil Lutz with 21 seconds remaining, though the Browns had a chance to tie before Zane Gonzalez’s 52-yard field-goal attempt sailed wide right with 3 seconds remaining.

The Saints improved to 1-1 and avoided starting 0-2 for what would’ve been a fifth straight year, but on Monday, the team will see a lot of issues it needs to correct before a Week 3 matchup with the Falcons.

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1. Michael Thomas is dominant
Michael Thomas set a new NFL record with 28 catches through two games. The previous record was held by Andre Rison, who had 26 catches through two games with the Falcons in 1994.
After having 16 catches in Week 1, Thomas added 12 more in Week 2, and it’s fair to argue that he’s the best wide receiver in the NFL. For much of the game, the other receivers weren’t making any plays, but Thomas continued to dominate the Browns even when it was clear where the ball was going.
On his 12 catches Sunday, Thomas gained 89 yards and scored two touchdowns. The only issue he had was a fumble, the second straight week he’s lost one.

2. Saints need more offense than Thomas, Alvin Kamara
In the first half, the Saints offense showed a level of ineptitude rarely seen in the Sean Payton and Drew Brees era. The group finally started making plays in the fourth quarter as the Saints scored two touchdowns to complete their comeback, but it was still an uncharactertic game for the offense.
Three plays in the first half should’ve resulted in touchdowns, but the Saints still entered the break with just 3 points. On one first-quarter drive, the Saints were down to the 2. Tight end Benjamin Watson was wide open in the end zone, but Brees’ pass was off the mark, though it’s possible Watson was in the wrong spot. Then, on third down, Alvin Kamara ran in for a 2-yard touchdown on a well-designed play, but two holding penalties on Tre’Quan Smith and Josh Hill nullified the score, forcing the Saints to eventually settle for a field goal.
In the second quarter, Brees underthrew Ted Ginn for what would’ve been a sure touchdown. On the next play, Ginn caught a short pass and lost a fumble.
There was a drive in which Brees took a sack on third down and Wil Lutz missed a 44-yard field goal the next play. There was Michael Thomas’ lost fumble, his second already this season. All in all, it was a brutal first half for the Saints offense.
Meanwhile, throughout the game, it seemed like the Saints could only move the ball when it went to Kamara or Thomas. At some point, other players need to step up to help the offense.

3. Defense improved from Week 1
The whole defense played much better this week compared to Week 1, but the linebackers seemed to make the biggest improvement after making few impact plays to open the season.
The Saints leaned more on A.J. Klein against the Browns, and Klein did a good job of diagnosing plays and making tackles when he had the opportunity.
Demario Davis and Manti Te’o were more impactful, too, and with the three starters playing well, the coaches didn’t use Alex Anzalone much in the game after he played the second-most snaps of any linebacker, behind Davis, last week.
Through three quarters, the Browns averaged just 3.8 yards per carry, and scat back Duke Johnson had just two catches for 7 yards, both stats for which the Saints linebackers deserve credit.
Safety Marcus Williams also made the play of the game for the defense, picking off Tyrod Taylor in the fourth quarter to give the Saints the ball in the red zone on a drive that finished with a go-ahead touchdown.
However, Saints cornerback Ken Crawley was a step behind Antonio Callaway when the Browns receiver caught a 47-yard touchdown to tie the game with 1:16 remaining. It was the clear lowlight on an otherwise strong day by the defense.

4. Taysom Hill returns
The Saints found another way to use their versatile backup quarterback Taysom Hill, inserting him into the kickoff returner role.
The Browns’ first three kickoffs were touchbacks, but on the fourth one, Hill showed why the team wanted to give him a shot. Hill sped forward for a 47-yard return to get the Saints to the 40, and that play should certainly provide optimism for him in that role.
It’s actually not that surprising of a move considering Hill is a threat to run as a quarterback because of his speed and vision, two traits that helps players be successful return men. And with Hill already a key member of the special teams units, it made sense to see what else he could do.
Meanwhile, the Saints continued to use Tommylee Lewis on punt returns, but he left the game with an ankle injury. Perhaps Hill will have a chance to returns punts soon.

5. Third-down struggles continue
The Saints offense was just 3-for-12 on third downs. This was a problem throughout the 2017 season, and it’s one the offense desperately needs to fix.
Part of the issue was with the protection as Brees took three sacks on third down. It’s hard to tell how much the problem was with the offensive line or Brees’ recognizing the blitz scheme, but Browns defensive coordinator Gregg Williams clearly found a way to create pressure on third down.

6. Marcus Davenport is developing
The Saints certainly need rookie defensive end Marcus Davenport to be more productive as a pass rusher than he’s been the first two games, but the first-round pick looked really good as a run defender on Sunday.
Davenport had three tackles, but stats aren’t often a good indication of a defensive lineman’s performance. What really impressed was Davenport’s strength and flexibility to make plays on the runner even while still being blocked.
The Saints expect Davenport to eventually become an every-down player, and his ability to already defend the run well is a good indication that he’s developing well.

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SmashMouth 09-16-2018 03:20 PM

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cmike 09-16-2018 03:21 PM

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There has to be a Corner somewhere in the world that can replace Crawley.

blackangold 09-16-2018 03:21 PM

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DBs are the biggest weak link on this team

Our o line needs to remember how to run block

K Major 09-16-2018 03:23 PM

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Mark Ingram's absence is sorely missed in this offense.

saintfan 09-16-2018 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 813181)
Mark Ingram's absence is sorely missed in this offense.


Yeah, and we need another WR too. Somebody needs to step it up, and I don't care who, but jeesh...

cmike 09-16-2018 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 813186)
Yeah, and we need another WR too. Somebody needs to step it up, and I don't care who, but jeesh...

Don’t think that’s the problem, there actually no problem, keep throwing it to Thomas if he’s open. Other guys are open, but why not throw it the the guy he trusts the most. Bree’s missed Carr wide open and Ginn a couple of times. Don’t change anything. We just need Ingram back.

brees84 09-16-2018 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by cmike (Post 813178)
There has to be a Corner somewhere in the world that can replace Crawley.

Actually he is better now than Lattimore and that's scary.

leilung 09-16-2018 03:39 PM

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How about doing something as simple as protecting the damn ball? Let's start there and work on the other things afterward!

ChrisXVI 09-16-2018 03:43 PM

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It’s probably time to think about replacing Crawley with PJ Williams. Crawley has given up 3 TD’s in 2 games now.

spkb25 09-16-2018 03:51 PM

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Right now we are not a good team. End of story. We could develop into a good team if Meredith improves when he is up to speed and the defense gets better. But right now we are not good

spkb25 09-16-2018 03:51 PM

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Oh and tight end is a need

CharityMike 09-16-2018 04:02 PM

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All I am gonna say is, CRAWLEY IS HOT GARBAGE!!! Also not very good is Curt Coleman, we need some help.

cmike 09-16-2018 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by CharityMike (Post 813201)
All I am gonna say is, CRAWLEY IS HOT GARBAGE!!! Also not very good is Curt Coleman, we need some help.

Coleman, does he play for us. Can’t tell.

ChrisXVI 09-16-2018 04:20 PM

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Yeah I’m not seeing much return on investment with Kurt Coleman. Better safeties were signed for peanuts this offseason. He was supposed to be brought in for veteran leadership and the cerebral things but our defense is worse.

SmashMouth 09-16-2018 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 813197)
Oh and tight end is a need

Time to play Arnold.

rezburna 09-16-2018 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by cmike (Post 813178)
There has to be a Corner somewhere in the world that can replace Crawley.

*Starts stretching*

K Major 09-16-2018 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 813194)
It’s probably time to think about replacing Crawley with PJ Williams. Crawley has given up 3 TD’s in 2 games now.

Yeah, his status as a starter needs to be evaluated. He's given up countless deep ball receptions & scores (crucial one today vs Calloway w/1 min left) ... I've counted 4 in 2 games.

mapcow 09-16-2018 05:47 PM

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Major takeaway!!! the saints suck big league!

mapcow 09-16-2018 05:51 PM

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Vacarro was better than Crawley.... still would not want either on defense.

neugey 09-16-2018 05:58 PM

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I didn't get to watch the game (away at daughter's softball event), but looking at the stats it seems like if the Browns had a sturdy kicker this game wouldn't even been in reach.

Barry from MS 09-16-2018 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by neugey (Post 813239)
I didn't get to watch the game (away at daughter's softball event), but looking at the stats it seems like if the Browns had a sturdy kicker this game wouldn't even been in reach.

Yeah, they left 8 points on the field. If not for Williams' INT, we could have been really sunk.

We are not a good team right now. Can't depend on a Kicker to miss 4 times to win games. They also got into FG position in less than 30 seconds & 1 timeout.

A below average team beats us today. Thankfully we were playing the Browns.

SmashMouth 09-16-2018 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry from MS (Post 813265)
Yeah, they left 8 points on the field. If not for Williams' INT, we could have been really sunk.

We are not a good team right now. Can't depend on a Kicker to miss 4 times to win games. They also got into FG position in less than 30 seconds & 1 timeout.

A below average team beats us today. Thankfully we were playing the Browns.

Brees left some himself... missing a wide open Ginn for a TD.

What's up with his long ball misses?

AsylumGuido 09-16-2018 07:40 PM

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I think it's time for all of you that doubt to shut it down and not watch for a week. It would be better for your health and would help us that believe to concentrate and give our good vibes to OUR team.

saintfan 09-16-2018 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 813275)
I think it's time for all of you that doubt to shut it down and not watch for a week. It would be better for your health and would help us that believe to concentrate and give our good vibes to OUR team.


If you fault anyone for doubting 18-1 after what we've seen for the first two weeks, well, blind optimism is all yours.

You concentrate on 18-1. Right now I'm just worried about how we can beat Atlanta.

AsylumGuido 09-16-2018 07:55 PM

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If you fault anyone for doubting 18-1 after what we've seen for the first two weeks, well, blind optimism is all yours.

You concentrate on 18-1. Right now I'm just worried about how we can beat Atlanta.

Worry away. For what good it does. Come next week I'll be right there expecting the best. My expectation when met far exceeds all others.

saintfan 09-16-2018 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 813283)
Worry away. For what good it does. Come next week I'll be right there expecting the best. My expectation when met far exceeds all others.


You think we're worrying without reason, or are you just blind to the actual football you've seen for two weeks?

hitta 09-16-2018 08:00 PM

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It's early in the season. We always start slow. Our defense looked like **** early last year as well. We have a lot of new guys and we're trying to fit all the pieces together. In the early part of the season especially, a win is a win.

WillMacKenzie 09-16-2018 08:02 PM

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Can we not waste all the champagne on week 2 against the Browns?

nola_swammi 09-16-2018 08:02 PM

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Crawley actually played better than Lattimore, that 47 yard td wasn't his fault that the safety didn't cover up high. His job was to cover underneath

ChrisXVI 09-16-2018 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by nola_swammi (Post 813291)
Crawley actually played better than Lattimore, that 47 yard td wasn't his fault that the safety didn't cover up high. His job was to cover underneath

What coverage was called?

papz 09-16-2018 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by neugey (Post 813239)
I didn't get to watch the game (away at daughter's softball event), but looking at the stats it seems like if the Browns had a sturdy kicker this game wouldn't even been in reach.

We've played really bad football for two consecutive weeks and there's reason for concern here. Luckily, lady luck was in our favor today.

We got a lot of things we need to work on. Luckily we have a lot of veterans on this team so hopefully we'll start seeing some improvement soon.

CharityMike 09-16-2018 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 813287)
You think we're worrying without reason, or are you just blind to the actual football you've seen for two weeks?

Unless you are in to this argument for the long haul, I would just leave it alone. Nothing you are gonna say will matter and he will just continue to piss you off.

ChrisXVI 09-16-2018 08:43 PM

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Great improvement today by our LB’s. Davis, Te’o and Klein did a fantastic job.

Terron Armstead also deserves lots of praise. He shut down Myles Garrett. Glad to have you back Terron!

saintfan 09-16-2018 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by CharityMike (Post 813303)
Unless you are in to this argument for the long haul, I would just leave it alone. Nothing you are gonna say will matter and he will just continue to piss you off.

I've gone there with him. I know. He's blind to all but his own manufactured reality. But he doesn't piss me off. He's good for some laughs. People like him have issues I think, but it doesn't confront me. He's still got wet underwear over Jimmy Graham using the NFLPA to negotiate his contract.

:banana:

The Dude 09-16-2018 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by cmike (Post 813178)
There has to be a Corner somewhere in the world that can replace Crawley.

With the exception of that play Crawly hasn’t been any worse than Lattimore.

CharityMike 09-16-2018 08:49 PM

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I know it was just one game, and after last week big numbers put up) but Brees appears to be loosing his sense of pressure. He just stands there unlike in the past, he would be bobbing and weaving all over. I still love the man but this is something I have noticed.

Barry from MS 09-16-2018 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 813304)
Great improvement today by our LB’s. Davis, Te’o and Klein did a fantastic job.

Terron Armstead also deserves lots of praise. He shut down Myles Garrett. Glad to have you back Terron!

Yes. Our LBs were in position to make plays. Nolan must've embarrassed them in the film room all week.

The Dude 09-16-2018 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 813275)
I think it's time for all of you that doubt to shut it down and not watch for a week. It would be better for your health and would help us that believe to concentrate and give our good vibes to OUR team.

Good vibes aren’t going to help your team get better. Sit there and concentrate though. They are bound to win one or two so you will be able to credit yourself.

This team sucks. We didn’t beat the Browns, they beat themselves. The Browns are not a good team. We barely beat a bad team that tried to give us the game.
You don’t get much more of a freeby than that one.

There was absolutely nothing about that win to be proud of.

The Dude 09-16-2018 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CharityMike (Post 813303)
Unless you are in to this argument for the long haul, I would just leave it alone. Nothing you are gonna say will matter and he will just continue to piss you off.

Hahahahahaga
I honestly think Guido likes it more when the Saints lose so he can come in and argue with the rational people in the room. I guarantee you he can’t wait to get on here after a loss.


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