Underhill: Saints survive clash with Browns, but have a ways to go before looking like contenders

jeanpierre · 09-17-2018, 02:25 AM

Ken Crawley has shown some serious regression in the first two weeks of this season...

The returns on the DeMario Davis investment wreak BUST - he had many missed opportunities for TFLs and lost edge containment several times...

You spend two first round picks on someone, they should be coming in and knocking it out the park right away - Davenport is a fine player, but a busted pick...

darksoul35 · 09-17-2018, 05:45 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Ken Crawley has shown some serious regression in the first two weeks of this season...

The returns on the DeMario Davis investment wreak BUST - he had many missed opportunities for TFLs and lost edge containment several times...

You spend two first round picks on someone, they should be coming in and knocking it out the park right away - Davenport is a fine player, but a busted pick...

I think its early to call him a bust but I do agree with you that two first round picks is a lot to give up to not have production now.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 09-17-2018, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by darksoul35

I think its early to call him a bust but I do agree with you that two first round picks is a lot to give up to not have production now.

I lay that blame on the team, not the player. Davenport did his job for the draft and put himself in a position to be picked in the middle of the 1st round. The capital the Saints spent to move up to get him in the spot he would have been picked in anyway is on them, not Davenport.

All in all the costs really can't be computed until after the 4th year of a 1st round rookie contract. If you're looking to extend the guy, the picks probably were worth it. If not (i.e. Cooks) then it's a bad look.

SFIAH

Rsanders24 · 09-17-2018, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Ken Crawley has shown some serious regression in the first two weeks of this season...

The returns on the DeMario Davis investment wreak BUST - he had many missed opportunities for TFLs and lost edge containment several times...

You spend two first round picks on someone, they should be coming in and knocking it out the park right away - Davenport is a fine player, but a busted pick...

The coaching staff has to figure out the best way to use the players we have. Seem like they are always tinkering with things. Davis should be playing in his natural position. Allen said that weak side is a lot like middle in our defense. The only way we can truly determine if he isn’t what we expected is to let him play his natural position. From what I gather he is still making adjustments but part of that is most likely due to the fact that all of the training camp, the LBs were playing several different positions.

When seeing Davenport on the field, I like what I see. I think he will really find his niche soon on this defense. I think that if he didn’t have the setbacks during the off-season and training camp we would have seen him more.

I’m more disappointed in Coleman than Crawley right now. Coleman is a disappointment and I felt it was a mistake to think that he would be better in our defense than KV was. From preseason through the first two weeks he has been MIA and a step slow reading and reacting. And Bell always looks confused.

I wish they would stop with all this damn experimenting with players and just put them where they have the best opportunity to succeed. They should have spent the training camp honing in on that one position.

Rugby Saint II · 09-17-2018, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by Rsanders24

The coaching staff has to figure out the best way to use the players we have. Seem like they are always tinkering with things. Davis should be playing in his natural position. Allen said that weak side is a lot like middle in our defense. The only way we can truly determine if he isn’t what we expected is to let him play his natural position. From what I gather he is still making adjustments but part of that is most likely due to the fact that all of the training camp, the LBs were playing several different positions.

When seeing Davenport on the field, I like what I see. I think he will really find his niche soon on this defense. I think that if he didn’t have the setbacks during the off-season and training camp we would have seen him more.

I’m more disappointed in Coleman than Crawley right now. Coleman is a disappointment and I felt it was a mistake to think that he would be better in our defense than KV was. From preseason through the first two weeks he has been MIA and a step slow reading and reacting. And Bell always looks confused.

I wish they would stop with all this damn experimenting with players and just put them where they have the best opportunity to succeed. They should have spent the training camp honing in on that one position.

Well said my friend! Well said........although, I'm still holding out on my evaluation of Coleman just yet.

K Major · 09-19-2018, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

The returns on the DeMario Davis investment wreak BUST - he had many missed opportunities for TFLs and lost edge containment several times...

Blame the Saints coaching staff/scheme, not the player. DeMario is a good player (he led the team in tackles last Sunday) that has lined up exclusively at WILL while in New Orleans. That's the equivalent of switching a QB to full back, hoping he turns into Lorenzo Neal

.

Not fair to expect results when he's out of position.

AsylumGuido · 09-19-2018, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Blame the Saints coaching staff/scheme, not the player. DeMario is a good player (he led the team in tackles last Sunday) that has lined up exclusively at WILL while in New Orleans. That's the equivalent of switching a QB to full back, hoping he turns into Lorenzo Neal .

Not fair to expect results when he's out of position.

DeMario was actually tied for the lead in TOTAL tackles this past week with nine (3 solo, 6 assists). Klein also had nine total tackles, a bit more impressive with 6 solo and 3 assists. Both of those LB's had a pretty solid game and because of that the defense looked much better.

K Major · 09-19-2018, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

DeMario was actually tied for the lead in TOTAL tackles this past week with nine (3 solo, 6 assists). Klein also had nine total tackles, a bit more impressive with 6 solo and 3 assists. Both of those LB's had a pretty solid game and because of that the defense looked much better.

DD has a solid game playing at a different spot ... again. Very encouraging to see he had good numbers. Same goes for AJ Klein. Hopefully the trend continues vs Atl.

AsylumGuido · 09-19-2018, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

DD has a solid game playing at a different spot ... again. Very encouraging to see he had good numbers. Same goes for AJ Klein. Hopefully the trend continues vs Atl.

Yes. The only thing that concerns me are the turnovers. We're sitting at minus three. Turnovers are the most important statistic other than the final score.

09-17-2018, 02:25 AM	#1
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Underhill: Saints survive clash with Browns, but have a ways to go before looking like contenders Ken Crawley has shown some serious regression in the first two weeks of this season... The returns on the DeMario Davis investment wreak BUST - he had many missed opportunities for TFLs and lost edge containment several times... You spend two first round picks on someone, they should be coming in and knocking it out the park right away - Davenport is a fine player, but a busted pick...

09-17-2018, 05:45 AM	#2
darksoul35 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,044	Re: Underhill: Saints survive clash with Browns, but have a ways to go before looking like contenders Originally Posted by jeanpierre Ken Crawley has shown some serious regression in the first two weeks of this season... The returns on the DeMario Davis investment wreak BUST - he had many missed opportunities for TFLs and lost edge containment several times... You spend two first round picks on someone, they should be coming in and knocking it out the park right away - Davenport is a fine player, but a busted pick... I think its early to call him a bust but I do agree with you that two first round picks is a lot to give up to not have production now.
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09-17-2018, 12:35 PM	#3
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,781	Re: Underhill: Saints survive clash with Browns, but have a ways to go before looking like contenders Originally Posted by darksoul35 I think its early to call him a bust but I do agree with you that two first round picks is a lot to give up to not have production now. I lay that blame on the team, not the player. Davenport did his job for the draft and put himself in a position to be picked in the middle of the 1st round. The capital the Saints spent to move up to get him in the spot he would have been picked in anyway is on them, not Davenport. All in all the costs really can't be computed until after the 4th year of a 1st round rookie contract. If you're looking to extend the guy, the picks probably were worth it. If not (i.e. Cooks) then it's a bad look. SFIAH
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09-17-2018, 12:29 PM	#4
Rsanders24 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Baton Rouge, LA. Posts: 1,482	Re: Underhill: Saints survive clash with Browns, but have a ways to go before looking like contenders Originally Posted by jeanpierre Ken Crawley has shown some serious regression in the first two weeks of this season... The returns on the DeMario Davis investment wreak BUST - he had many missed opportunities for TFLs and lost edge containment several times... You spend two first round picks on someone, they should be coming in and knocking it out the park right away - Davenport is a fine player, but a busted pick... The coaching staff has to figure out the best way to use the players we have. Seem like they are always tinkering with things. Davis should be playing in his natural position. Allen said that weak side is a lot like middle in our defense. The only way we can truly determine if he isn’t what we expected is to let him play his natural position. From what I gather he is still making adjustments but part of that is most likely due to the fact that all of the training camp, the LBs were playing several different positions. When seeing Davenport on the field, I like what I see. I think he will really find his niche soon on this defense. I think that if he didn’t have the setbacks during the off-season and training camp we would have seen him more. I’m more disappointed in Coleman than Crawley right now. Coleman is a disappointment and I felt it was a mistake to think that he would be better in our defense than KV was. From preseason through the first two weeks he has been MIA and a step slow reading and reacting. And Bell always looks confused. I wish they would stop with all this damn experimenting with players and just put them where they have the best opportunity to succeed. They should have spent the training camp honing in on that one position. Rugby Saint II likes this.

09-17-2018, 01:26 PM	#5
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,117	Re: Underhill: Saints survive clash with Browns, but have a ways to go before looking like contenders Originally Posted by Rsanders24 The coaching staff has to figure out the best way to use the players we have. Seem like they are always tinkering with things. Davis should be playing in his natural position. Allen said that weak side is a lot like middle in our defense. The only way we can truly determine if he isn’t what we expected is to let him play his natural position. From what I gather he is still making adjustments but part of that is most likely due to the fact that all of the training camp, the LBs were playing several different positions. When seeing Davenport on the field, I like what I see. I think he will really find his niche soon on this defense. I think that if he didn’t have the setbacks during the off-season and training camp we would have seen him more. I’m more disappointed in Coleman than Crawley right now. Coleman is a disappointment and I felt it was a mistake to think that he would be better in our defense than KV was. From preseason through the first two weeks he has been MIA and a step slow reading and reacting. And Bell always looks confused. I wish they would stop with all this damn experimenting with players and just put them where they have the best opportunity to succeed. They should have spent the training camp honing in on that one position. Well said my friend! Well said........although, I'm still holding out on my evaluation of Coleman just yet.

09-19-2018, 08:29 AM	#6
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,738 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Underhill: Saints survive clash with Browns, but have a ways to go before looking like contenders Originally Posted by jeanpierre The returns on the DeMario Davis investment wreak BUST - he had many missed opportunities for TFLs and lost edge containment several times... Blame the Saints coaching staff/scheme, not the player. DeMario is a good player (he led the team in tackles last Sunday) that has lined up exclusively at WILL while in New Orleans. That's the equivalent of switching a QB to full back, hoping he turns into Lorenzo Neal . Not fair to expect results when he's out of position.

09-19-2018, 11:25 AM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Underhill: Saints survive clash with Browns, but have a ways to go before looking like contenders Originally Posted by K Major Blame the Saints coaching staff/scheme, not the player. DeMario is a good player (he led the team in tackles last Sunday) that has lined up exclusively at WILL while in New Orleans. That's the equivalent of switching a QB to full back, hoping he turns into Lorenzo Neal . Not fair to expect results when he's out of position. DeMario was actually tied for the lead in TOTAL tackles this past week with nine (3 solo, 6 assists). Klein also had nine total tackles, a bit more impressive with 6 solo and 3 assists. Both of those LB's had a pretty solid game and because of that the defense looked much better.

09-19-2018, 11:33 AM	#8
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,738 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Underhill: Saints survive clash with Browns, but have a ways to go before looking like contenders Originally Posted by AsylumGuido DeMario was actually tied for the lead in TOTAL tackles this past week with nine (3 solo, 6 assists). Klein also had nine total tackles, a bit more impressive with 6 solo and 3 assists. Both of those LB's had a pretty solid game and because of that the defense looked much better. DD has a solid game playing at a different spot ... again. Very encouraging to see he had good numbers. Same goes for AJ Klein. Hopefully the trend continues vs Atl.

09-19-2018, 11:42 AM	#9
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Underhill: Saints survive clash with Browns, but have a ways to go before looking like contenders Originally Posted by K Major DD has a solid game playing at a different spot ... again. Very encouraging to see he had good numbers. Same goes for AJ Klein. Hopefully the trend continues vs Atl. Yes. The only thing that concerns me are the turnovers. We're sitting at minus three. Turnovers are the most important statistic other than the final score.