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ChrisXVI 09-21-2018 03:38 PM
PJ Williams to Start in Place of Crawley vs Falcons
 

”New Orleans Saints cornerback P.J. Williams started the first three games of 2017 before Ken Crawley replaced him in Week 4 and then for the duration of the season.

Nearly a year later, the two cornerbacks are experiencing a bit of a role reversal as the Saints are planning to bench Crawley in Sunday's game against the Atlanta Falcons, according to a league source.”

GeauxForMore 09-21-2018 03:46 PM
Re: PJ Williams to Start in Place of Crawley vs Falcons
 
I think the whole secondary is at fault and Ken is just the scapegoat. I don't see a major upgrade with PJ. Hopefully I'm wrong.

ScottF 09-21-2018 04:09 PM
Re: PJ Williams to Start in Place of Crawley vs Falcons
 
I like that we can do it (depth) and that we are doing it (best man wins)

brees84 09-21-2018 04:11 PM
Re: PJ Williams to Start in Place of Crawley vs Falcons
 
Oh, boy. Crawley is way better corner. P.J. never tracks the football. DPI waiting to happen...

I'll say it again: In first two games Crawley was better than Lattimore. He wasn't great by any means but entire secondary struggled.

jnormand 09-21-2018 04:14 PM
Re: PJ Williams to Start in Place of Crawley vs Falcons
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by brees84 (Post 813891)
Oh, boy. Crawley is way better corner. P.J. never tracks the football. DPI waiting to happen...

I'll say it again: In first two games Crawley was better than Lattimore.
I don't know about that...but even if it is so...they're aren't going to bench Lattimore. He was too good last year. (I just wish he'd show that same magic this year.)

brees84 09-21-2018 04:16 PM
Re: PJ Williams to Start in Place of Crawley vs Falcons
 
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Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 813893)
I don't know about that...but even if it is so...they're aren't going to bench Lattimore. He was too good last year. (I just wish he'd show that same magic this year.)
I know, but P.J. on the outside is too risky.

K Major 09-21-2018 04:20 PM
Re: PJ Williams to Start in Place of Crawley vs Falcons
 
Sanu will be his responsibility. Someone send a quick message to PJ and let him know that this is his contract year ;). Hopefully he's ready.

I'm more concerned about Teo' being out on Sunday. He's played well the last 2 weeks.

jnormand 09-21-2018 04:22 PM
Re: PJ Williams to Start in Place of Crawley vs Falcons
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 813900)
Sanu will be his responsibility. Someone send a quick message to PJ and let him know that this is his contract year ;). Hopefully he's ready.

I'm more concerned about Teo' being out on Sunday. He's played well the last 2 weeks.
My thoughts too. Would really be nice to see a good defensive effort against the Clowns.

Speaking of which...can someone call our defensive line and ask them to show up in this game?

jeanpierre 09-21-2018 04:27 PM
Re: PJ Williams to Start in Place of Crawley vs Falcons
 
P.J. came out of the gates looking like our next Tracy Porter until a series of unfortunate events, injuries derailed him...

Williams has the higher ceiling than Crawley, and the previous point that we have the depth to go with the hot hand is a good thing...

CharityMike 09-21-2018 04:32 PM
Re: PJ Williams to Start in Place of Crawley vs Falcons
 
Is this good news? Asking for a friend :banana:

CharityMike 09-21-2018 04:35 PM
Re: PJ Williams to Start in Place of Crawley vs Falcons
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by brees84 (Post 813891)
Oh, boy. Crawley is way better corner. P.J. never tracks the football
Ummm Crawley doesn't either. Why you think he is always getting called for PI? He rarely turns his head. I am not saying PJ does btw just that Crawley isn't much better when it comes to this.

WillMacKenzie 09-21-2018 06:03 PM
Re: PJ Williams to Start in Place of Crawley vs Falcons
 
PJ Williams was a better corner than Ken Crawley, straight up.

Not sure about after all these injury scares though

ChrisXVI 09-21-2018 06:22 PM
Re: PJ Williams to Start in Place of Crawley vs Falcons
 
I understand the move even if it’s a heck of a gamble. Crawley has been terrible through 2 games. We don’t know what’s going on behind the scenes too.

saintfan 09-21-2018 06:47 PM
Re: PJ Williams to Start in Place of Crawley vs Falcons
 
We could start Deon Sanders and it won't make a flipping bit of difference if we don't get any push up front.

Pete 09-21-2018 06:52 PM
Re: PJ Williams to Start in Place of Crawley vs Falcons
 
Why not let that be a surprise as a gametime decision?

Let them gameplan for Crawl-E..then SURPRISE!

Letting them waste time on planning for a ghost is what I wish they would've did just for the hell of it if anything lol

The Dude 09-21-2018 07:33 PM
Re: PJ Williams to Start in Place of Crawley vs Falcons
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by GeauxForMore (Post 813880)
I think the whole secondary is at fault and Ken is just the scapegoat. I don't see a major upgrade with PJ. Hopefully I'm wrong.
I thought it was Harris he replaced. I agree. Ken hasn’t been any worse than Lattimore. Unfortunately he got beat on one that counted. A little pressure up front would be nice too.

rezburna 09-21-2018 07:43 PM
Re: PJ Williams to Start in Place of Crawley vs Falcons
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by brees84 (Post 813891)
Oh, boy. Crawley is way better corner. P.J. never tracks the football. DPI waiting to happen...

I'll say it again: In first two games Crawley was better than Lattimore. He wasn't great by any means but entire secondary struggled.
Lmao. He really hasn’t. Lattimore has still been above average in coverage this year, while Crawley has been horrendous. Stop it. Do y’all even go back and rewatch the games? How many big plays has Lattimore given up so far? Now what about Crawley? Bruh...just stop it.

rezburna 09-21-2018 08:02 PM
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Lattimore gave up 3 catches for 22 yards and had 5 tackles finishing with an 81.8 PFF rating last week. Mentioning Crawley with a name like Lattimore is literally asinine.

ChrisXVI 09-21-2018 08:18 PM
Re: PJ Williams to Start in Place of Crawley vs Falcons
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 813929)
Lattimore gave up 3 catches for 22 yards and had 5 tackles finishing with an 81.8 PFF rating last week. Mentioning Crawley with a name like Lattimore is literally asinine.
People only really noticed him give up the catch on the crossing route and they think he looked terrible lol.

rezburna 09-21-2018 08:22 PM
Re: PJ Williams to Start in Place of Crawley vs Falcons
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 813932)
People only really noticed him give up the catch on the crossing route and they think he looked terrible lol.
Obviously unbeknownst to many, a crossing route is a good way to beat man to man.

saintsfan1976 09-21-2018 08:24 PM
Re: PJ Williams to Start in Place of Crawley vs Falcons
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 813933)
Obviously unbeknownst to many, a crossing route is a good way to beat man to man.
Oh, it be knownst to P.J. alright.

rezburna 09-21-2018 08:32 PM
Re: PJ Williams to Start in Place of Crawley vs Falcons
 
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 813934)
Oh, it be knownst to P.J. alright.
He looked slow last year. I don’t thInk he’s the answer, but we don’t have many options.

rezburna 09-21-2018 08:36 PM
Re: PJ Williams to Start in Place of Crawley vs Falcons
 
We need to see if the Eagles want to move Rasul Douglas.

frydaddy 09-21-2018 08:37 PM
Re: PJ Williams to Start in Place of Crawley vs Falcons
 
I'm all for it. No guarantee that PJ comes in and plays any better, but it's worth finding out. Crawley has been hot smelly garbage so far and a message needs to be sent. I hope both guys respond well to this move. I thought PJ was borderline first round talent when he came out, I'd like to see him finally live up to it. Crawley has been through his share of ups and downs and has been pretty resilient to this point. Hopefully this helps him take another step forward in the long run.

rezburna 09-21-2018 08:38 PM
Re: PJ Williams to Start in Place of Crawley vs Falcons
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by frydaddy (Post 813937)
I'm all for it. No guarantee that PJ comes in and plays any better, but it's worth finding out. Crawley has been hot smelly garbage so far and a message needs to be sent. I hope both guys respond well to this move. I thought PJ was borderline first round talent when he came out, I'd like to see him finally live up to it. Crawley has been through his share of ups and downs and has been pretty resilient to this point. Hopefully this helps him take another step forward in the long run.
P.J. was definitely late 1st-early 2nd round talent. Injuries have always been his issue. I really want to see us make a move for Rasul Douglas though. I like his potential. He’s a big corner.

frydaddy 09-21-2018 09:01 PM
Re: PJ Williams to Start in Place of Crawley vs Falcons
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 813938)
P.J. was definitely late 1st-early 2nd round talent. Injuries have always been his issue. I really want to see us make a move for Rasul Douglas though. I like his potential. He’s a big corner.
I was really bummed when he had that bad concussion a couple years ago. I liked what I saw from him in the very small sample size that season. Looked like he was primed to become a starter for a long time to come.. I could very easily believe that a scare like that one affected his play last year. If memory serves me I think Payton said it was the worst concussion he'd ever seen. I know that would stick with me for a while. I just hope getting benched made up his mind to put in the work to get back to being the player he's capable of being. Guess we're gonna find out pretty soon.

I like Douglas too, but I wonder if we have the necessary draft capital at this point to make a move. Unless we could throw in a player. I'd love to dump Vonn Bell off on someone. We'd be paper thin at safety but we already pretty much are, even with him here.. dude's like a mirage out on the field, you swear you see him but he isn't really there. Of course when I get to thinking about that I realize that no one in their right mind would take him off our hands. Sigh.

On another note, I still wish we'd found a way to keep Delvin Breaux around. I don't think he was done, I think he was another one who needed some new motivation.

rezburna 09-21-2018 09:10 PM
Re: PJ Williams to Start in Place of Crawley vs Falcons
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by frydaddy (Post 813939)
I was really bummed when he had that bad concussion a couple years ago. I liked what I saw from him in the very small sample size that season. Looked like he was primed to become a starter for a long time to come.. I could very easily believe that a scare like that one affected his play last year. If memory serves me I think Payton said it was the worst concussion he'd ever seen. I know that would stick with me for a while. I just hope getting benched made up his mind to put in the work to get back to being the player he's capable of being. Guess we're gonna find out pretty soon.

I like Douglas too, but I wonder if we have the necessary draft capital at this point to make a move. Unless we could throw in a player. I'd love to dump Vonn Bell off on someone. We'd be paper thin at safety but we already pretty much are, even with him here.. dude's like a mirage out on the field, you swear you see him but he isn't really there. Of course when I get to thinking about that I realize that no one in their right mind would take him off our hands. Sigh.

On another note, I still wish we'd found a way to keep Delvin Breaux around. I don't think he was done, I think he was another one who needed some new motivation.
I feel bad for Breaux. Really bad. That concussion Williams had though...it was pretty severe. It put him out for the entire season if I’m not mistaken. Personally, I wouldn’t have come back. I want to play with my kids. I wouldn’t take the gamble. I agree with you though, Williams looked really good before that. Last year...not so much. He had his moments though. I still believe a lot could be fixed by changing the scheme.

2-Man Under
Cover 2
Cover 6

I wonder what it would take to get Douglas. A 5th? 6th? I’d do that.

Von Bell has been really good so far though. Surprisingly good.

billyt81 09-22-2018 12:17 AM
Re: PJ Williams to Start in Place of Crawley vs Falcons
 
I disagree with this move completely. Unless my eyes deceive me PJ Williams is average at best. I prefer Crawley.

spkb25 09-22-2018 06:00 AM
Re: PJ Williams to Start in Place of Crawley vs Falcons
 
Looking for a spark...

saintsfan1976 09-22-2018 07:12 AM
Re: PJ Williams to Start in Place of Crawley vs Falcons
 
I read that on the late long TD vs Browns, Crawley has to chose between two receivers and didn’t recover. Maybe bit of scheme to blame.

rezburna 09-22-2018 09:58 AM
Re: PJ Williams to Start in Place of Crawley vs Falcons
 
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 813953)
I read that on the late long TD vs Browns, Crawley has to chose between two receivers and didn’t recover. Maybe bit of scheme to blame.
When you’re in a zone it’s common to have to choose between two receivers. From what I can tell he had deep third responsibilities. You have ANYBODY who comes deep into your zone. You don’t let anything behind you. You should be able to cover multiple receivers when you’re in a zone. You keep them in front of you and split the difference between them. The most imprortant thing is, if somebody goes deep and you’re in a deep zone that’s where you go. If they catch something short then oh well. You don’t give up the TD. First down or TD. Pick one.

Barry from MS 09-22-2018 10:53 AM
Re: PJ Williams to Start in Place of Crawley vs Falcons
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 813961)
When you’re in a zone it’s common to have to choose between two receivers. From what I can tell he had deep third responsibilities. You have ANYBODY who comes deep into your zone. You don’t let anything behind you. You should be able to cover multiple receivers when you’re in a zone. You keep them in front of you and split the difference between them. The most imprortant thing is, if somebody goes deep and you’re in a deep zone that’s where you go. If they catch something short then oh well. You don’t give up the TD. First down or TD. Pick one.
Everybody knew Callaway was the deeper threat on that play. Crawley should've know that.

Situational awareness complete garbage.

If he's choosing between 2 receivers in the zone, you stay behind the deepest threat in that situation & give up the underneath 1st down...live to play another down. You don't fart yourself getting burned 50 in a close game late in the 4th.

rezburna 09-22-2018 10:58 AM
Re: PJ Williams to Start in Place of Crawley vs Falcons
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry from MS (Post 813964)
Everybody knew Callaway was the deeper threat on that play. Crawley should've know that.

Situational awareness complete garbage.

If he's choosing between 2 receivers in the zone, you stay behind the deepest threat in that situation & give up the underneath 1st down...live to play another down. You don't fart yourself getting burned 50 in a close game late in the 4th.
Facts. That’s football 101. That concept is drilled into your psyche at a high school level. Just do your job and make the quarterback figure it out.

dizzle88 09-22-2018 11:02 AM
Re: PJ Williams to Start in Place of Crawley vs Falcons
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry from MS (Post 813964)
Everybody knew Callaway was the deeper threat on that play. Crawley should've know that.

Situational awareness complete garbage.

If he's choosing between 2 receivers in the zone, you stay behind the deepest threat in that situation & give up the underneath 1st down...live to play another down. You don't fart yourself getting burned 50 in a close game late in the 4th.
And then the next series he allows a 17 yard completion and Callaway to get out of bounds as he didn't defend the sideline.

Agreed, his situational awareness is terrible.

K Major 09-22-2018 12:34 PM
Re: PJ Williams to Start in Place of Crawley vs Falcons
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by frydaddy (Post 813939)
On another note, I still wish we'd found a way to keep Delvin Breaux around. I don't think he was done, I think he was another one who needed some new motivation.
I had similar thoughts on Breaux. It wouldn't have hurt to bring him in to training camp and see how he performed against others. At worst, he would have been good depth. Unfortunate for Ken because he played some good ball for us last year on those boundaries.

Oh well, it is what it is.

Rugby Saint II 09-22-2018 01:46 PM
Re: PJ Williams to Start in Place of Crawley vs Falcons
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by CharityMike (Post 813909)
Is this good news? Asking for a friend :banana:

I'll be your friend!:banana:

44Champs 09-22-2018 08:38 PM
Re: PJ Williams to Start in Place of Crawley vs Falcons
 
It doesnt matter who plays CB if the D Line doesnt generate a decent pass rush.

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nola_swammi 09-23-2018 01:10 AM
Re: PJ Williams to Start in Place of Crawley vs Falcons
 
by all means I don't want P.J. to fail but I have a feeling they will switch back to crawley after the 1st half

dizzle88 09-23-2018 08:05 AM
Re: PJ Williams to Start in Place of Crawley vs Falcons
 
One thing is for sure, PJ has much better hands than Crawley. Just Crawley is better in run support.

Cruize 09-23-2018 11:22 AM
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It's amazing how a projected strength is turning into a train wreck at week 3.


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