Mark Ingram is back and 'ready to work' with the Saints

Beastmode · 10-04-2018, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

SFIAH - my post wasn't directed at you but more so at some of the posters wanting him gone this season (due to suspension).

I'm speaking specifically of MI this season. Based on the handful of games thus far, some of our woes on D is due to the lack of ball control (i.e. Ingram). He brings balance & the ability to control the ball & clock we have been lacking the last 4 weeks.

We are in win now mode. Mark helps us big time in 2018. This team will be stronger starting on Monday night now that he's back.

However next year's debate with Mark returning in Black and Gold ... totally different conversation.

It had nothing to do with wanting him gone. He will be gone next year. It was about getting max value if someone else emerged. If Boston Scott was blowing up the building then what? That did not happen.

Why do people get so emotional about players I do not know. Where have we made the most money recently? THE DRAFT! That is our strength. Go with that and get the picks that we gave up.

And I KNOW we will not get a 1st. What it would give us is something to bundle to get back into the 1st RND.

K Major · 10-04-2018, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

It had nothing to do with wanting him gone. He will be gone next year. It was about getting max value if someone else emerged. If Boston Scott was blowing up the building then what? That did not happen.

Why do people get so emotional about players I do not know. Where have we made the most money recently? THE DRAFT! That is our strength. Go with that and get the picks that we gave up.

And I KNOW we will not get a 1st. What it would give us is something to bundle to get back into the 1st RND.

The failure rate of draft picks is way too high to risk trading a star player for a "high draft pick".

Why is this so hard to understand?

AsylumGuido · 10-04-2018, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

The failure rate of draft picks is way too high to risk trading a star player for a "high draft pick".

Why is this so hard to understand?

Especially a star player (perhaps our most versatile player) that can help us win a championship THIS year.

It's the old "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush" logic. It shouldn't be hard to understand.

Beastmode · 10-04-2018, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

The failure rate of draft picks is way too high to risk trading a star player for a "high draft pick".

Why is this so hard to understand?

Last year, if AP would have been suspended for 4 games and Kamara blows, up, would you even consider trading AP if someone offered something stupid because they are desperate?

The draft is a crap shoot but it has not been for us the last two years. We have done quite well. It's not a crap shoot if you have good staff who can evaluate talent and needs. It is why we are in the position we are in right now. This is not the Jets, Browns staff here.

I said this before the season even started. It's silly to bash people over current state. Nobody knew all our RB's outside of Kamara were not going to show up. What did happen, there is a shortage of RB's right now. On that front I was correct. We don't even know if other teams made any offers either which I am sure they did.

AsylumGuido · 10-04-2018, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

Last year, if AP would have been suspended for 4 games and Kamara blows, up, would you even consider trading AP if someone offered something stupid because they are desperate?

The draft is a crap shoot but it has not been for us the last two years. We have done quite well. It's not a crap shoot if you have good staff who can evaluate talent and needs. It is why we are in the position we are in right now. This is not the Jets, Browns staff here.

That's apples and oranges. Peterson wasn't an established leader, nor has the ability to execute Payton's entire offense as does Ingram. Ingram has become an integral part of our offense. I'm sure everyone here recognizes what has been missing these first four weeks.

would you even consider trading (replacing with Mark Ingram) if someone offered something stupid because they are desperate?

No way in Hell if it could compromise winning the Lombardi again this year.

Win Now!

Beastmode · 10-04-2018, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

That's apples and oranges. Peterson wasn't an established leader, nor has the ability to execute Payton's entire offense as does Ingram. Ingram has become an integral part of our offense. I'm sure everyone here recognizes what has been missing these first four weeks.

No way in Hell if it could compromise winning the Lombardi again this year.

Win Now!

We are winning now. Without MI.

I am however glad he is here. I would have preferred Boston to have blown up but that did not materialize. Teams are so desperate right now. We could have got a 2nd for him easy.

I do know this though, the same people enjoying bashing me before the season even started of considering trading MI will be the same people complaining and crying when our draft sucks next year and the intoxication of this season is long gone.

AsylumGuido · 10-04-2018, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

We are winning now. Without MI.

I am however glad he is here. I would have preferred Boston to have blown up but that did not materialize. Teams are so desperate right now. We could have got a 2nd for him easy.

I do know this though, the same people enjoying bashing me before the season even started of considering trading MI will be the same people complaining and crying when our draft sucks next year and the intoxication of this season is long gone.

I seriously doubt that. We're going to be celebrating the Super Bowl win that Ingram helped us get.

Beastmode · 10-04-2018, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I seriously doubt that. We're going to be celebrating the Super Bowl win that Ingram helped us get.

With this defense? Unless they clean it up, one and done hangover. But you are free to comeback here and complain about draft picks next year and I know you will. Cry like a baby on our meager picks and blame our season on a weak draft class and still claiming Meredith is GONNA be an awesome slot WR after gaining 140 yds when he was suppose to be the WR2.

10-04-2018, 02:15 PM	#1
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Re: Mark Ingram is back and 'ready to work' with the Saints Originally Posted by K Major SFIAH - my post wasn't directed at you but more so at some of the posters wanting him gone this season (due to suspension). I'm speaking specifically of MI this season. Based on the handful of games thus far, some of our woes on D is due to the lack of ball control (i.e. Ingram). He brings balance & the ability to control the ball & clock we have been lacking the last 4 weeks. We are in win now mode. Mark helps us big time in 2018. This team will be stronger starting on Monday night now that he's back. However next year's debate with Mark returning in Black and Gold ... totally different conversation. It had nothing to do with wanting him gone. He will be gone next year. It was about getting max value if someone else emerged. If Boston Scott was blowing up the building then what? That did not happen. Why do people get so emotional about players I do not know. Where have we made the most money recently? THE DRAFT! That is our strength. Go with that and get the picks that we gave up. And I KNOW we will not get a 1st. What it would give us is something to bundle to get back into the 1st RND.
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10-04-2018, 02:39 PM	#2
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,868 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Mark Ingram is back and 'ready to work' with the Saints Originally Posted by Beastmode It had nothing to do with wanting him gone. He will be gone next year. It was about getting max value if someone else emerged. If Boston Scott was blowing up the building then what? That did not happen. Why do people get so emotional about players I do not know. Where have we made the most money recently? THE DRAFT! That is our strength. Go with that and get the picks that we gave up. And I KNOW we will not get a 1st. What it would give us is something to bundle to get back into the 1st RND. The failure rate of draft picks is way too high to risk trading a star player for a "high draft pick". Why is this so hard to understand? AsylumGuido likes this.

10-04-2018, 03:13 PM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,853	Re: Mark Ingram is back and 'ready to work' with the Saints Originally Posted by K Major The failure rate of draft picks is way too high to risk trading a star player for a "high draft pick". Why is this so hard to understand? Especially a star player (perhaps our most versatile player) that can help us win a championship THIS year. It's the old "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush" logic. It shouldn't be hard to understand. Rugby Saint II likes this.

10-04-2018, 03:34 PM	#4
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Re: Mark Ingram is back and 'ready to work' with the Saints Originally Posted by K Major The failure rate of draft picks is way too high to risk trading a star player for a "high draft pick". Why is this so hard to understand? Last year, if AP would have been suspended for 4 games and Kamara blows, up, would you even consider trading AP if someone offered something stupid because they are desperate? The draft is a crap shoot but it has not been for us the last two years. We have done quite well. It's not a crap shoot if you have good staff who can evaluate talent and needs. It is why we are in the position we are in right now. This is not the Jets, Browns staff here. I said this before the season even started. It's silly to bash people over current state. Nobody knew all our RB's outside of Kamara were not going to show up. What did happen, there is a shortage of RB's right now. On that front I was correct. We don't even know if other teams made any offers either which I am sure they did.
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10-04-2018, 03:42 PM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,853	Re: Mark Ingram is back and 'ready to work' with the Saints Originally Posted by Beastmode Last year, if AP would have been suspended for 4 games and Kamara blows, up, would you even consider trading AP if someone offered something stupid because they are desperate? The draft is a crap shoot but it has not been for us the last two years. We have done quite well. It's not a crap shoot if you have good staff who can evaluate talent and needs. It is why we are in the position we are in right now. This is not the Jets, Browns staff here. That's apples and oranges. Peterson wasn't an established leader, nor has the ability to execute Payton's entire offense as does Ingram. Ingram has become an integral part of our offense. I'm sure everyone here recognizes what has been missing these first four weeks. would you even consider trading (replacing with Mark Ingram) if someone offered something stupid because they are desperate? No way in Hell if it could compromise winning the Lombardi again this year. Win Now!

10-04-2018, 03:50 PM	#6
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Re: Mark Ingram is back and 'ready to work' with the Saints Originally Posted by AsylumGuido That's apples and oranges. Peterson wasn't an established leader, nor has the ability to execute Payton's entire offense as does Ingram. Ingram has become an integral part of our offense. I'm sure everyone here recognizes what has been missing these first four weeks. No way in Hell if it could compromise winning the Lombardi again this year. Win Now! We are winning now. Without MI. I am however glad he is here. I would have preferred Boston to have blown up but that did not materialize. Teams are so desperate right now. We could have got a 2nd for him easy. I do know this though, the same people enjoying bashing me before the season even started of considering trading MI will be the same people complaining and crying when our draft sucks next year and the intoxication of this season is long gone.
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10-04-2018, 04:20 PM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,853	Re: Mark Ingram is back and 'ready to work' with the Saints Originally Posted by Beastmode We are winning now. Without MI. I am however glad he is here. I would have preferred Boston to have blown up but that did not materialize. Teams are so desperate right now. We could have got a 2nd for him easy. I do know this though, the same people enjoying bashing me before the season even started of considering trading MI will be the same people complaining and crying when our draft sucks next year and the intoxication of this season is long gone. I seriously doubt that. We're going to be celebrating the Super Bowl win that Ingram helped us get.

10-04-2018, 07:04 PM	#8
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Re: Mark Ingram is back and 'ready to work' with the Saints Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I seriously doubt that. We're going to be celebrating the Super Bowl win that Ingram helped us get. With this defense? Unless they clean it up, one and done hangover. But you are free to comeback here and complain about draft picks next year and I know you will. Cry like a baby on our meager picks and blame our season on a weak draft class and still claiming Meredith is GONNA be an awesome slot WR after gaining 140 yds when he was suppose to be the WR2.
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