Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 818386)

Wow... I'm almost at a loss for words at how incredibly bad a case you just presented.

Let me start from the top: You claim that things you say often go over my head. That is incorrect. In fact, you often say things that make little sense and when I point out the inconsistencies, or just plain nonsense, of some of the things you say, you always claim that I just don't understand you. Your unwillingness, or inability, to clarify with anything that makes sense leads me to believe that you don't really know what you're trying to say.

Now that we've dealt with that issue, on to the next: You followed up your claim that what you say goes over my head, by telling me that you said Ali talked trash on national television in your previous reply... Yeah... Didn't I acknowledge that and tell you that I didn't respect the way he handled himself? How is it that you believe that went over my head? If you're going to insult my intelligence, at least bother to read what I said before you put your foot in your mouth.

And then what did you do? You showed a video of FAKE trash talking on a commercial and used that to make your point? Then you used video from a celebrity roast, of which trash talking is the whole point and is done in jest for entertainment? Really?... Really, man?

Let me put that aside for just a second and get back to the principle of the whole argument. I don't care how long trash talking has been around, and playful banter is a completely different type of trash talk. We're talking about people acting like teenagers on social media. It's petty.

The likes of Ali, I have no more respect for. That kind of nonsense is bush league, period.

Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 818267)

Your line of excuses is the kind of attitude that breeds this "culture", as you love to call everything.

I don't care if they are professional athletes are common, everyday people. Your problem here is you automatically assume my opinion is biased to a certain group of people (what a surprise), in this case, football players.

My problem is these are grown men acting like babies. This thing you call "culture" is a societal disease, right now. I didn't need you to inform me that this is what people do on their twitter. This isn't news to me. I simply have a problem with people airing their problems all over social media, and using words that make them sound like little kids having a fight over who's cooler. And, yes, their actions ARE hurting somebody... Themselves. They are embarrassing themselves. And the fact that they clearly don't care about that says a lot about them.

At some point, these guys have to get over it. And if they can't get over it then, as I said before, let your play do the talking. When one guy one ups the other, the guy who lost the battle should be motivated to do better, and the guy who won the battle should be happy that he did his job and just leave it at that.

But if even THAT isn't enough, at least be able to communicate in a way that doesn't make you look like a little brat. These guys look like bratty little frat boys.

Listening to you, you'd think I'm criticizing these guys for not being perfect, rather than for what they are actually doing, which has been a pathetic display of immaturity.

Making excuses for their behavior just tells me that you are like them. If you're proud of that, congratulations.

Originally Posted by lynwood (Post 818410)

My two cents is what they are doing doesn't do anything for good sportsmanship which is what we are supposed to teach our kids. What happened to winning and losing with humility and dignity? I never liked the grandstanding, look at me players. I hope that Thomas and Kamara don't evolve into that. Either way I don't tweet, but I hate seeing it on the news.

Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 818413)

That’s just it though. They ARE kids. You can point at their parents for not teaching them sportsmanship but you can’t really blame the parents because they have been held down by white oppression.

Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 818413)

That’s just it though. They ARE kids. You can point at their parents for not teaching them sportsmanship but you can’t really blame the parents because they have been held down by white oppression.

Originally Posted by 44Champs (Post 818217)

"Michael Thomas is losing a little bit of money this week.
The Saints wide receiver has been fined $10,026 by the NFL for unsportsmanlike conduct during Monday's game against the Washington Redskins.
Thomas responded to a report about the fine on Twitter by writing, "Child support," which appeared to be the continuation of an exchange of tweets between the wide recevier and Washington cornerback Josh No

https://www.theadvocate.com/new_orle...85e39e846.html

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 818276)

Or maybe you just didn’t grow up in a time period where it was commonplace to air out your grievances with someone over social media. This isn’t a constant attack of Josh Norman thing. He went at him as soon as the game was over. He made a comment after he was fined because that brought the situation back up. He isn’t @‘ing Josh Norman as we speak launching verbal attacks with no end in sight.

The societal ill is people being selective about when they want to mind their business. Guarantee Michael Thomas and Alvin Kamara still get the contracts they deserve if they continue to produce the way they have. This won’t hurt them in the slightest. YOU think they’re embarrassing themselves. Others are entertained. You might need to take a cultural competency class. Society isn’t monlithic, nor should it be. People don’t have to adhere to what you believe is the proper code of conduct. You just come across sounding like a hater. And if you’re proud of that, bravo.

But you’re right. I’m not put off by a 23 and a 25 year old showing themselves to be slightly juvenile in nature. They should be afforded the right to grow at their own pace like the real, college frat boys do.

Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 818285)

I know you fancy yourself to be the most "cultured" person in the universe, and you'd like to think you represent some new moral standard by which there is NO standard, and everyone should just be accepted the way they are.

For your information, I'm in my early thirties, and social media was born in my teen years. So, yes, I grew up with the same opportunities to act like an idiot on the internet, just like everyone else my age and younger, but I choose to be a bit more civil and measured in my responses to people. Does that mean I'm perfect and do everything right? Not even close. But there are lines that decent human beings should have the common sense to draw, and to stay behind.

My opinions are neither radical, nor are they outdated. It's called handling yourself with humility. People lack humility, nowadays. You portray me as some kind of bully for simply expecting that people in their mid 20's and early 30's (the people involved in this spat) should be able to have their arguments in a manner befitting of their age. I get that tempers flare, especially when you're young. So they had it out... terrific... Now move on. But instead, they persist and their insults mirror that of children.

By the way, you are sitting there defending Thomas and Kamara, as if I feel sorry for Norman. I am calling ALL of these guys childish. I don't care who started it, and I don't care who it's directed at. It's all ridiculous.

And as for people supposedly needing to mind their own business, this does not have to be my personal business. These guys chose to air out their little trash talking marathon where everyone could see it, so I am commenting on it. That's the thing about the internet, you can't hide, and they know that full well. This is why I don't use social media anymore (I had a Myspace account, once, and refuse to use all of the new crap). I keep my personal business private. It's one thing to give opinions as we all do in forums like this one, but if you're going to have an extended squabble with somebody, take it somewhere private. You can text, private message, email or (gasp) handle it in person behind closed doors.

I'm not suggesting they need my permission. They have all the right in the world to act as foolish as they want to, as long as they aren't breaking things in the process. But this is my opinion of them, same as you have opinions of people you don't know and will never meet. Make sense? And no, I'm not a hater. Do I have to hate someone to believe they are immature? Maybe you hate me because you disagree with me? That's the problem with people like yourself. You can't seem to grasp the idea that someone can hold a negative are dissenting opinion toward someone else without it being this awful act of hatred against humanity. That shows YOUR intolerance toward others.

Lastly, I don't believe that even frat boys should be allowed to grow up like frat boys. Fraternities are nothing but sanctioned idiot groups, as far as I'm concerned. There was a time, long before you or I were born, where boys became men before they were 15, because that was life. I don't think we need to go that far back in time, but there is no reason for 20 plus year olds to act a fool just because they think they can.