Crawley vs Apple 2018 Stats
 

Interesting to see the side by side analytical comparisons. On paper we upgraded our #2 CB.

I can't say I'm excited. Can't say I'm disappointed. But something had to be done and Apple definitely qualifies. As. Something...

https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/ken-crawley/

https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/eli-apple/

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Crawley: Passer rating 153.8 (wow) and 4 TDs

Apple: Passer rating 100.4 and 1 TDs

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It's what Payton does. Always tinkering around for small gains. Wins are mostly not convincing so I applaud it. Hope we pick up some more along the way.

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Hope he works out well for us. And for himself. A new place, a new team, a new attitude

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Worst case I think we at least now have a good platoon at the CB2 spot. We might still want to play Crawley in certain situations because Crawley might be more physical and tackle better. And actually I think Crawley plays really hard, I don't discredit him because I see him giving good effort but he just doesn't have the natural coverage athleticism Lattimore and other high-end NFL corners have.

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Ken Crawley in 2018:
33 rec allowed, 1.54 target separation, 7.9 burn rate, 86.8 catch rate, 4 TDs allowed, 3 breakups, -58.8 coverage rating

Eli Apple in 2018:
19 rec allowed, .74 target separation, 3.4 burn rate, 65.5 catch rate, 0 TDs allowed, 4 breakups, +7.4 coverage rating


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Going deeper down the stats rabbit hole comparing #Saints corners Eli Apple & Ken Crawley

In 2017, Crawley drew 14 total penalties. 2 were declined, and 3 offset. (so only shows 9 accepted)

Apple in 3 years (2016-2018/30 games) has 14 accepted penalties and 1 declined


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To me Eli is not shutdown but he doesn't need to be....he just need to be better than The Crawley

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That’s the best way to describe him. He’s a solid CB2. He isn’t a lockdown corner, but he doesn’t need to be. The most telling stat to me is that he hasn’t given up any TD’s. Holding teams to field goals with our offense is all we need.

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7.9 burn rate ... that's funny :clown:.

Didn't know that there was such a stat.

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a, Apple is better
b, his presence will make Crawley better
c, if b is false, Crawley needs to go

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I still have hope for Crawley. He has shown flashes of brilliance. He has good hands and good ball skills. He has solid top end speed. I think Crawley could be the type of corner that of course will get beat sometimes but actually makes the QB pay if he makes a bad throw. Great trade though. Eli Apple was drafted 10th in the first round and he's 23. It is possible he could totally fix our secondary. He could end up being a stud corner. He'll definetely help. I can't wait to see him in black and gold. He reminds me a little of Mike McKenzie. In truth Apple has pro bowl potential.

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Ken has been beaten like a Pearl snare drum on those boundaries ... all season.

Once Apple gets acclimated to the "system", I expect to see more of PJ man the slot (he's been decent there) unless PRob miraculously returns this season or playoff time. IMO Ken doesn't have the the hips for slot & tracking the ball has been a low point for him.

Rez could probably provide more input at this position but I would expect Ken's snap count to be reduced.

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18-1 Superbowl :givemebeer:

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Crawley like that other bonehead Vacarro got to go

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let's see how Ohio State db's work for us Lattimore, Bell, Coleman and Apple. He played with 3 out of the 4 in college. Hopefully this will mellow out Apple of being a Cancer to the locker room

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Agree with your point other than the highlighted bit, Crawley's hands make Roman harper look like Ed Reed. He dropped sooo many interceptions last year.

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Eli Apple now has Arron Glenn to help him grow. We have solid coaching. That one point could make the difference in his future. I just hope he can assimilate the defense quickly and come in making an impact to help stop the bleeding in the secondary.

He's apparently semi confrontational and our locker room needs to grab him by the testicles and squeeze until he toes the line. :p

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This shouldn’t mean the end of Crawley. Id put him in the slot where his quickness is more useful.

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Think that's harsh on Vacarro.
He had flaws but I think he was better than Coleman has been.

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Better coverage than Crawley
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What isnt showing up in those stats... Penalties.

Crawley is tied for 1st in PI penalties averaging 10 yards per game.
Defensive Pass Interference - 2018 - View by Player - NFL Penalty Stats Tracker - List/Statistics/Data of NFL Penalties - 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018

Apple doesn't even show up and has had only 1 Defensive holding penalty this season averaging 0.7 yards per game.

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Getting Apple means we probably have one of the best backups at CB in the NFL!

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Plus we should get P Rob back too!

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Take it FWIW (Ian Rap), but it appears unlikely we see PRob again this season. Ligament damage ... yikes.

Saints CB Patrick Robinson (ankle, IR) will undergo surgery this week.
It makes Robinson unlikely to return this year. He's dealing with ligament damage, which is a worst case scenario. Robinson was playing well before going down, so it's a hit to the Saints' secondary. P.J. Williams will pick up Robinson's snaps. Sep 26 - 9:13 AM
Source: Ian Rapoport on Twitter
Patrick Robinson needs ankle surgery
Sep 26 - 9:13 AM
Broken ankle lands Patrick Robinson on IR
Sep 25 - 4:42 PM
Robinson believed to have high-ankle sprain

Source : Patrick Robinson - New Orleans Saints - 2018 Player Profile - Rotoworld.com

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Man...I missed that somehow. Must have been a nasty break.

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Not sure we will be bringing anyone back from IR this year.

Good rule, but hasn't helped us yet

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I would eventually move Crawley to cover the slot and Eli on the outside.

Crawley's quickness is under utilized on the outside. Eli's press ability should force QBs to hold the ball for another second.

If both hold true Dennis can blitz more hopefully resulting in pressures, sacks and ultimately turnovers

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Really sucks not having PRob.

Don't you want your better tackler in the slot role? I would say PJ is the better option (sound tackler) there but then I think back to his 2 missed open field tackles vs the Ravens & subsequent holding call on 4th down :mad:.

This secondary will be tested big time on Sunday. Hopefully the game plan is to take away Thielan.

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Robinson was hired to keep PJ on the bench and since his return I haven't seen much to convince me he won't be a liability as we face better QBs.

I could be very wrong but I didn't see Crawley as the sole problem. YES he gave up a lot but it seemed to be on coverage assignments where the QB had all day to throw.

IMO, Crawley does better in a position where he can shadow a #3 WR. We'll see how it unfolds vs. Minnesota but I'd be surprised to see two things:
1. Apple not starting (at least as much as he can handle)
2. PJ survive the entire game at slot WR.

My hope is our secondary allows that extra second our d line needs to pressure Cousins.

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I don’t think Crawley would be good at all as a nickel CB. He doesn’t strike me as a player with great awareness who could have quick hips in traffic.

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Minnesota is ranked 25th running the ball, and our run D is first.
Can def expect 35+ throws from Cousins. Need to bend not break.

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He's averaging 42 attempts a game so far!!

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Neither does PJ Williams

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You’re right about that. We don’t have someone who can excel in that role.