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SmashMouth 11-23-2018 09:01 PM

Can you explain to me how the Rams D is "good"?
 
Against teams with a record of 4-6 or better (8 games), they've given up 32.4 (!!) points per game, including 45 to the Saints and 51 (!!) at HOME against the Chiefs. They had a grand total of 0 (!!) sacks against the Saints, yet every single media member outside of NOLA beat writers still drools over Aaron Donald and Marcus Peters.

Saints defense by comparison has given up 19.6 PPG against teams 4-6 or better in 6 games.

The Dude 11-23-2018 09:21 PM

Re: Can you explain to me how the Rams D is "good"?
 
They aren’t. I don’t think many are saying they are any good. They got some TOs against KC but I think that was more about Mahommes inexperience an inability to hold onto the ball when pressured. The Rams produced 3 turnovers and still almost lost.
Their home field advantage sucks too.
I think there is something off in the structure of the standings when we both have one loss, theirs to us, yet they are ahead of us.
Goes to show you how much a division loss hurts.

lee909 11-23-2018 10:21 PM

Re: Can you explain to me how the Rams D is "good"?
 
They rightly drool over Donald he's a damn beast. The issue from what I've seen is the rest of the line wants sacks. Especially Suh, can't have both DT trying to sack and not playing the run. And like the Falcons they are small at linebacker. All well and good when playing the pass but a 225lb ILB not going to hold the middle when the two DT have left space for the runner to build up a head of steam.

I like Peters but he has sucked since the trade

Utah_Saint 11-24-2018 08:53 AM

Re: Can you explain to me how the Rams D is "good"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 825663)
They aren’t. I don’t think many are saying they are any good. They got some TOs against KC but I think that was more about Mahommes inexperience an inability to hold onto the ball when pressured. The Rams produced 3 turnovers and still almost lost.
Their home field advantage sucks too.
I think there is something off in the structure of the standings when we both have one loss, theirs to us, yet they are ahead of us.
Goes to show you how much a division loss hurts.

They were ahead of us because they'd played one more game. The Saints won this week and the Rams are on bye so the Saints are ahead of the Rams now due to the head to head match up. The division loss doesn't apply in this case.

Conference tie breakers
Head-to-head, if applicable. (For ties among three or more teams, this step is only applied if there is a head-to-head sweep; i.e., if one club has defeated each of the others or if one club has lost to each of the others.)
Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
Strength of victory (record of all the teams they defeated that season).
Strength of schedule (record of all the teams they played that season).
Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
Best net points in conference games.
Best net points in all games.
Best net touchdowns in all games

SaintFanInATLHELL 11-24-2018 09:16 AM

Re: Can you explain to me how the Rams D is "good"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 825663)
I think there is something off in the structure of the standings when we both have one loss, theirs to us, yet they are ahead of us. Goes to show you how much a division loss hurts.

Each win is worth a 1/2 game when the losses are equal. At 10-1 the Rams had 5 games. At 9-1 (at the time) the Saints had 4.5 games. That's why the Rams were in the #1 slot. Our win Thursday pulled the records even. Then the tiebreakers kick in. We have the #1 tiebreaker: head to head.

Ties are the same BTW. Worth a 1/2 win. That's why Minnesota at 5-4-1 are ahead of the teams that are 5-5.

SFIAH

CheramieIII 11-24-2018 01:58 PM

Re: Can you explain to me how the Rams D is "good"?
 
It's not! When you let a team hang 51 on you or even 35 your D ain't s**t!

spkb25 11-24-2018 03:10 PM

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TheOak 11-24-2018 05:02 PM

Re: Can you explain to me how the Rams D is "good"?
 
NFL.com's playoff picture has us at #1 seed... The Rams are not ranked above us.
NFL Playoff Picture - NFL.com

In conference rankings we are above the Rams.
https://www.nfl.com/standings/conference/2018/REG

No other lists matter.

TheOak 11-24-2018 05:04 PM

Re: Can you explain to me how the Rams D is "good"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 825660)
Against teams with a record of 4-6 or better (8 games), they've given up 32.4 (!!) points per game, including 45 to the Saints and 51 (!!) at HOME against the Chiefs. They had a grand total of 0 (!!) sacks against the Saints, yet every single media member outside of NOLA beat writers still drools over Aaron Donald and Marcus Peters.

Saints defense by comparison has given up 19.6 PPG against teams 4-6 or better in 6 games.

Same comment I made to Halo about the LA.. Hype. The league has an obligation to push this new venture and stadium. The NFL has become entertainment and marketing and this is marketing hype.

SaintFanInATLHELL 11-24-2018 05:06 PM

Re: Can you explain to me how the Rams D is "good"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 825740)
NFL.com's playoff picture has us at #1 seed... The Rams are not ranked above us.
NFL Playoff Picture - NFL.com

In conference rankings we are above the Rams.
https://www.nfl.com/standings/conference/2018/REG

No other lists matter.

The Dude was likely looking at standings as of before the game when the Rams were 10-1 and the Saints 9-1. With both with the same record, there's no way the Rams would be put above the Saints.

SFIAH

the-commish 11-24-2018 05:20 PM

Re: Can you explain to me how the Rams D is "good"?
 
Loomis dodged a bullet not signing Suh.

The Rams can't stop the run, but the Saints can and DO. It's not only the defensive line of the Rams not staying home because they want to rush the passer all the time... but their LBs are not as good as the Saints' LBs. Did I really just type that? YES BECAUSE IT'S TRUE!

The Dude 11-24-2018 05:57 PM

Re: Can you explain to me how the Rams D is "good"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint (Post 825686)
They were ahead of us because they'd played one more game. The Saints won this week and the Rams are on bye so the Saints are ahead of the Rams now due to the head to head match up. The division loss doesn't apply in this case.

Conference tie breakers
Head-to-head, if applicable. (For ties among three or more teams, this step is only applied if there is a head-to-head sweep; i.e., if one club has defeated each of the others or if one club has lost to each of the others.)
Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
Strength of victory (record of all the teams they defeated that season).
Strength of schedule (record of all the teams they played that season).
Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
Best net points in conference games.
Best net points in all games.
Best net touchdowns in all games

Forgot about the bye. Good. All is well.

WillMacKenzie 11-24-2018 06:03 PM

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All-Paper 2018.

Because.

SaintGup 11-24-2018 07:38 PM

Re: Can you explain to me how the Rams D is "good"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 825663)
They aren’t. I don’t think many are saying they are any good. They got some TOs against KC but I think that was more about Mahommes inexperience an inability to hold onto the ball when pressured. The Rams produced 3 turnovers and still almost lost.
Their home field advantage sucks too.
I think there is something off in the structure of the standings when we both have one loss, theirs to us, yet they are ahead of us.
Goes to show you how much a division loss hurts.

They are not ahead of us. We hold the number one seed at the moment.

RailBoss 11-24-2018 09:41 PM

Re: Can you explain to me how the Rams D is "good"?
 
Son Of Bum..

WillSaints81 11-25-2018 12:53 AM

Re: Can you explain to me how the Rams D is "good"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 825663)
They aren’t. I don’t think many are saying they are any good. They got some TOs against KC but I think that was more about Mahommes inexperience an inability to hold onto the ball when pressured. The Rams produced 3 turnovers and still almost lost.
Their home field advantage sucks too.
I think there is something off in the structure of the standings when we both have one loss, theirs to us, yet they are ahead of us.
Goes to show you how much a division loss hurts.

They didn't have their bye week yet.

WillSaints81 11-25-2018 12:55 AM

Re: Can you explain to me how the Rams D is "good"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint (Post 825686)
They were ahead of us because they'd played one more game. The Saints won this week and the Rams are on bye so the Saints are ahead of the Rams now due to the head to head match up. The division loss doesn't apply in this case.

Conference tie breakers
Head-to-head, if applicable. (For ties among three or more teams, this step is only applied if there is a head-to-head sweep; i.e., if one club has defeated each of the others or if one club has lost to each of the others.)
Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
Strength of victory (record of all the teams they defeated that season).
Strength of schedule (record of all the teams they played that season).
Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
Best net points in conference games.
Best net points in all games.
Best net touchdowns in all games

I should have read the follow up comments.

hitta 11-25-2018 03:43 AM

Re: Can you explain to me how the Rams D is "good"?
 
I'm pretty confident that the Bears are going to beat the Rams. If the Rams get stuck in snow, they are screwed.

SmashMouth 11-25-2018 01:36 PM

Re: Can you explain to me how the Rams D is "good"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by the-commish (Post 825745)
Loomis dodged a bullet not signing Suh.

The Rams can't stop the run, but the Saints can and DO. It's not only the defensive line of the Rams not staying home because they want to rush the passer all the time... but their LBs are not as good as the Saints' LBs. Did I really just type that? YES BECAUSE IT'S TRUE!

Also with Rueben Foster, via not drafting the guy. Some here wanted him.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...reuben-foster/

SmashMouth 11-25-2018 01:38 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hitta (Post 825787)
I'm pretty confident that the Bears are going to beat the Rams. If the Rams get stuck in snow, they are screwed.

Rams can't play in a real outdoor stadium... that's the narrative, right? :broccoli:

Euphoria 11-26-2018 07:21 AM

Re: Can you explain to me how the Rams D is "good"?
 
I think they rely on scoring 40 points and hope Darnold can make one big play to hold the other team to 39

rezburna 11-26-2018 08:38 AM

Re: Can you explain to me how the Rams D is "good"?
 
1. They’re weak at linebacker.
2. Marcus Peters is playing through and injury and in a system that doesn’t fit him.
3. Aqib Talib bring out definitely hurts.

They have REALLY good players on that defense. It just hasn’t jelled. Peters, Talib, and Robey-Coleman is a really good trio. I need to see what they look like when Talib comes back.

st thomas 11-26-2018 11:06 AM

Can you explain to me how the Rams D is "good"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hitta (Post 825787)
I'm pretty confident that the Bears are going to beat the Rams. If the Rams get stuck in snow, they are screwed.



With chase Daniels? Maybe but not likely they need trebisksy

K Major 11-26-2018 11:16 AM

Re: Can you explain to me how the Rams D is "good"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by st thomas (Post 825961)
With chase Daniels? Maybe but not likely they need trebisksy

Circle 12/9 date. I think that is when we'll see Mitch's return.

Watch the Lambs fold up like cheap lawn chairs at Solider field. Weather will be 32 degrees or under.

SmashMouth 11-26-2018 04:44 PM

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Rugby Saint II 11-27-2018 02:38 PM

Re: Can you explain to me how the Rams D is "good"?
 
Timing means a lot! We need to win every time.

BJSim 11-27-2018 03:25 PM

Re: Can you explain to me how the Rams D is "good"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 826115)
Timing means a lot! We need to win every time.

That's it, don't worry about the news, ESPN, Twitter, or whatever. The Rams have a cake schedule so the Saints just need to take care of business and win each week.


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