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73Saint 11-30-2018 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by dam1953 (Post 826910)
Before the game there was a piece about Peyton showing the team a 10 minute video on how great Brees is. Not sure that was a bright Idea.

https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/video/1384290883609

During the game last night it sure looked like the O-line may have taken exception and reminded Peyton that Brees is only as good as they let him be....and that was pretty sad.

So, four games left with three against pretty stout defenses. Somebody needs to come up with a better game plan because Pittsburgh and Carolina are going to wear the Dallas - Saints game video out.

You know, when I saw that, it kinda made me feel uneasy. I wondered, now why would Payton do anything to highlite Brees' greatness to the team no less (they see him every day). While I doubt it caused the O-Line to play poorly, it did come off kind of strange.

Lord_Saint83 11-30-2018 09:27 AM

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I think the only for sure loss up ahead is pittsburgh. Their d line is almost designed like the dallas line and they have more weapons on offense than dallas. I think we sweep carolina still there d line and o line isnt what it used to be. I see 13-3 with the second seed.

SaintsBro 11-30-2018 09:38 AM

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That drive for the Field goal to start the second half, felt like the hardest fought warrior quest for 3 points that Drew has taken the team on, in a long long time. Drew's quarterback sneak on 3rd and 1 was pretty tough, I thought he was gonna get mauled. Man it was hard going. Maybe it was just me in the moment, after being shut out for the whole first half, but I felt like that drive was the old familiar "warrior" Drew, but that there maybe hasn't been a drive that tough and gnarly for the team this entire year.

Beastmode 11-30-2018 09:47 AM

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Concerned about Kamara. How he is not in concussion protocol I do not know because that was a lethal helmet hit and he was shaken up, wobbled some.

If someone is not fined for that hit the NFL is selectively enforcing the rules.

K Major 11-30-2018 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 826921)
Concerned about Kamara. How he is not in concussion protocol I do not know because that was a lethal helmet hit and he was shaken up, wobbled some.

If someone is not fined for that hit the NFL is selectively enforcing the rules.

#54 will be. He did it multiple times.

Not sure how a ref standing 10-15 feet away didn't call that on Arnold or Kamara. I thought the rules (crowning to the helmet) were put in place for this very reason. Deion Jones took out Kamara on that exact type play last season.

Yep, I hope Alvin is ok. He was definitely dazed.

Saintsfan4ever 11-30-2018 10:13 AM

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[QUOTE=SaintsBro;826919]That drive for the Field goal to start the second half, felt like the hardest fought warrior quest for 3 points that Drew has taken the team on, in a long long time.


I agree! That was a hard fought 3 point drive, and it felt like a momentum shift, but Dallas stayed tough and kept the door shut.
I thought we'd come back & win the game (or at least tie it up for overtime) in the 4th qtr with about 6 minutes left, Dallas was 3rd & 10 near midfield, and Dak broke 3 tackles ran for the 1st down. That was a back breaker. If we had stopped them on that series we would've gotten the ball back with all our time-outs and with plenty of time to drive the field for a score. That didn't happen. After that the clock became an issue and Drew was rattled, and it went from bad to worse.

Beastmode 11-30-2018 10:42 AM

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[quote=Saintsfan4ever;826930]
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Originally Posted by SaintsBro (Post 826919)
That drive for the Field goal to start the second half, felt like the hardest fought warrior quest for 3 points that Drew has taken the team on, in a long long time.


I agree! That was a hard fought 3 point drive, and it felt like a momentum shift, but Dallas stayed tough and kept the door shut.
I thought we'd come back & win the game (or at least tie it up for overtime) in the 4th qtr with about 6 minutes left, Dallas was 3rd & 10 near midfield, and Dak broke 3 tackles ran for the 1st down. That was a back breaker. If we had stopped them on that series we would've gotten the ball back with all our time-outs and with plenty of time to drive the field for a score. That didn't happen. After that the clock became an issue and Drew was rattled, and it went from bad to worse.

We did stop them. Beasley was nowhere near the 1st down and I doubt they go for it.

We were out of challenges but we used them correctly. MT, that was a catch and the other one, we won. Really crazy because anyone could see that was a fumble and recovery by MT but they made us waste a challenge on it.

fhotard 11-30-2018 10:44 AM

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And the gifted first-down late in the game sure didn't help the Saints any!

ChrisXVI 11-30-2018 10:52 AM

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Anybody have any explanation for this:


Somebody affiliated with the Cowboys on our sideline with a headset on and phone in his hand.

SmashMouth 11-30-2018 11:52 AM

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7 takeaways from the Saints' 13-10 loss to the Cowboys

SmashMouth 11-30-2018 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 826939)
Anybody have any explanation for this:

https://twitter.com/upt504nola/statu...38253379280896

Somebody affiliated with the Cowboys on our sideline with a headset on and phone in his hand.

http://dailysnark.com/cowboys-coach-...y-nights-game/

I'll hang up and listen too...

Danno 11-30-2018 01:05 PM

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Every year we lay a few eggs.
The Tampa game and now this one.
We may have one more stinker in us before the season ends.
Unfortunately this was the only game I made a friendly wager on. Won't be doing that again.:(

yungbreesus 11-30-2018 01:24 PM

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read that away teams are 3-11 on thursday night games this season (not counting the first game of the season). bummer that this isn't a shocking stat.

jeanpierre 11-30-2018 01:37 PM

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SaintFanQ 11-30-2018 02:36 PM

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So, is he breaking the rules?

I wondered what was going on when I saw this but, if its not against the rules then he's ok to be there i guess?

GEAUX SAINTS!!!!

SmashMouth 11-30-2018 02:49 PM

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Kamara passed concussion protocol
Will Jaylon Smith get fined?

AsylumGuido 11-30-2018 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SaintFanQ (Post 826982)
So, is he breaking the rules?

I wondered what was going on when I saw this but, if its not against the rules then he's ok to be there i guess?

GEAUX SAINTS!!!!

It IS against the rules. Cellphones are not allowed on the sidelines for any personnel.

Beastmode 11-30-2018 03:50 PM

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Wondering if Kirkland stole Tre'Quan's TD. It kinda looked like he did IMO. Why are both of them running the exact same route? Looks like somebody was wrong.

Rugby Saint II 11-30-2018 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by papz (Post 826898)
Inconsequential game for us. I was very happy with our pass rush and disappointed to see Drew's happy feet make an extended appearance this game.

Next game.

Lighten up Francis! :wink:

ChrisXVI 11-30-2018 05:55 PM

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I still just don’t understand how our O-Line was so bad. We’ve faced way better defensive fronts this season. Lawrence is the only good D-Lineman they have and we got worked over.

saintfan 11-30-2018 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 826997)
I still just don’t understand how our O-Line was so bad. We’ve faced way better defensive fronts this season. Lawrence is the only good D-Lineman they have and we got worked over.

I think we've been reading our own press a little bit...maybe a nibble on the cheese while we're reading.

K Major 11-30-2018 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 826997)
I still just don’t understand how our O-Line was so bad. We’ve faced way better defensive fronts this season. Lawrence is the only good D-Lineman they have and we got worked over.

Bushrod was simply over matched and it showed ... he requires help. Ramz really struggled (1st time ever for me) against DLaw. Peat & Unger allowed too much penetration up the middle & Warford lost most of his one on one battles.

I doubt you see that group under perform again this season. Just a bad day at the office. Good news is that the Saints have 10 days to re focus and re group.

Dallas D line domination was a wake up call for us.

Fingers crossed Ramz injury isn't serious and Terron is close to returning.

Halo 11-30-2018 06:59 PM

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If the 13-10 loss was the best the NFL could gameplan and throw at us, then I think we can make adjustments, grown and continue to make our run.


Agreed, we were drinking a little too much ESPN Kool aide.

Beastmode 11-30-2018 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by fhotard (Post 826937)
And the gifted first-down late in the game sure didn't help the Saints any!

That was a farce. Probably one of the worse calls of the entire NFL all season. No way that is a first down. Anybody with functional eyes in the nose bleeds could clearly see it.

ChrisXVI 11-30-2018 08:27 PM

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The front seven are dogs!

Utah_Saint 12-01-2018 01:09 AM

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jeanpierre 12-01-2018 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 826972)
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...Cowboys have explained the issue in this way: “It’s a member of the game day entertainment staff. He stands next to the ‘green hat’ who is the network TV person who works with the officials to coordinate TV timeouts. His job is to communicate to our internal video board people when a TV time out is coming and how much time is left in that timeout as they come out of a break. He does not stand in the team bench area. They stand just outside the bench area on that side of the field.”

The image that was tweeted shows the person close to Saints coach Sean Payton, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that the person was in the bench area. The Cowboys insist that the employee would never enter the bench area, toward the middle of the sideline...



jnormand 12-01-2018 11:05 PM

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Yeah I was on a cruise during that game. My wife and I watched it from the ship. The place was full of cow fans and my wife was one of them. It was terrible. I wasn't even angry throughout the game. I was just awe struck that Drew and the offense played so bad. Even the pic at the end of the game....I was like, what the ****? What just happened? Who the **** tied up our quarterback and offensive line and left them in the locker room and put a bunch of chumps in the game? I couldn't believe my eyes.

I know they'll bounce back, but damn that was brutal to watch. They were just flat and completely out of sync.

Something seriously was bothering Drew. Maybe it was running for his life every other play.

SmashMouth 12-02-2018 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 827095)
https://twitter.com/NFL_Memes/status...50124731813888

https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/...26884644311040

...Cowboys have explained the issue in this way: “It’s a member of the game day entertainment staff. He stands next to the ‘green hat’ who is the network TV person who works with the officials to coordinate TV timeouts. His job is to communicate to our internal video board people when a TV time out is coming and how much time is left in that timeout as they come out of a break. He does not stand in the team bench area. They stand just outside the bench area on that side of the field.”

The image that was tweeted shows the person close to Saints coach Sean Payton, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that the person was in the bench area. The Cowboys insist that the employee would never enter the bench area, toward the middle of the sideline...


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Wut? Is dis an esplaination? :lightsabres:

44Champs 12-02-2018 05:44 PM

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This was a tired Saints team. 3 games in 12 days. That's a lot.

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Budsdrinker 12-03-2018 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by 44Champs (Post 827148)
This was a tired Saints team. 3 games in 12 days. That's a lot.

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Only problem with that reason is the cowgirls played the same amount of games in that span

SaintsBro 12-03-2018 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Budsdrinker (Post 827217)
Only problem with that reason is the cowgirls played the same amount of games in that span


Actually, no, he's right, because if both teams are tired, it still favors the defense. I'm not making any excuses here, I'm just explaining the science of it.

Think of it as, the difference between hitting and getting hit...hitting always is easier to do than being the one getting hit. If you are the defense, reacting to the other guy, or to the ball, and the other guy is just as tired as you are, it is always going to be easier for you, if YOU are the one reacting rather than having to be the one acting. It's just the nature of the game. The Saints offense relies on spit-second timing and finesse as well as power; if any of that timing gets thrown off even by a few fractions of the second, or by poor concentration, it can spell trouble. Which is exactly what happened, especially in the first half. But even though there is a lot of brain work and schemes involved in defense, the defense is basically still just the art of motoring to the quarterback, or trucking the guy with the ball before he trucks you, or wrapping up tackles or deflecting passes...all these things are easier to REACT to, than they are to be the one ACTING, if that makes any sense. A sharp cut or a turn on a pass route, is a lot easier to react to, if the other guy is running slower than usual, isn't it? Even if you're the DB and you're also running slower, the reaction times are closer., so that gives you an edge if you are playing a tired defense against a tired offense. Does that make sense? I'm trying to explain it.... the Cowboys were MUCH more physical in that game than the Saints, to their credit, I'll give them that; but it's a lot easier to be a power/physical team, if the other team you're playing against is flat or tired, or not moving at 100% speed. If both teams are tired, it still ends up favoring the defense. it's basically the same reason as bad weather or extreme field conditions, mud or sloppy grass, will favor the defense over the offense, every time.

Also the Cowboys offense did not look *that* good, either. They were held to only 13 points. Their offense looked flat and listless in places, as well. If the Cowboys had truly dominated the Saints, they would have translated that into more points, but they actually gave up a high number of sacks and turnovers as well. It really was not a good looking game for either team.

dizzle88 12-03-2018 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Budsdrinker (Post 827217)
Only problem with that reason is the cowgirls played the same amount of games in that span

True but it's not like they torched us, both defenses dominated, we just had slightly less grabby Cornerbacks than they did.

K Major 12-03-2018 02:36 PM

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In conclusion on the Cow/Saints game ...

We lost in the trenches. That 10 game win streak we had .. we dominated opponents on the O line.

Pray Armstead is close to returning & Ramz is ok.

Danno 12-03-2018 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Budsdrinker (Post 827217)
Only problem with that reason is the cowgirls played the same amount of games in that span

But their 3rd game was at home.

Unger mentioned they felt tired and sluggish.
It was obvious we looked slower than usual.

st thomas 12-03-2018 06:32 PM

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It’s just that Payton didn’t try and change the game plan on the go seems like as he’d done in the past I don’t no I’m still puzzled Brees rolling out once or twice would have backed the dogs down just to get our offense back on its feet we did nothing ? On to the yucs

homerj07 12-04-2018 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 826856)
Good pressure on Dak. A team that gets 7 sacks should win the game.

Bottled up Zeke for most of the day. 3.3yd/rush is pedestrian for him.

Shoddy tackling when Dak ran. He should have been stopped for a short gain every rush.

Coverage wasn't where it should have considering we had good pressure today.


O-line had their worst game in a very long time. A lot of pressure given up.

Brees just looked off the whole game.

Seems like we had a lot of drops today from guys who usually catches the ball well.

#54 in Dallas had multiple plays where he led with the crown. He should have been ejected from the game.

Play calling on O felt predictable. And the gamble to go for it on 4th in the first came back to haunt us.

Play calling sucked donkey balls. Plus no intensity. They got hit in the mouth and reacted like Scott Farkus

saintfan 12-04-2018 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by homerj07 (Post 827379)
Play calling sucked donkey balls. Plus no intensity. They got hit in the mouth and reacted like Scott Farkus

https://i.imgur.com/WbSbpxm.jpg


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