Out of sheer boredom, game by game breakdown 2005

saintswhodi · 06-02-2005, 10:03 AM

WhoDat, I agree with the premisse that a lot rent right for Carolina the year they went to the Superbowl. But Carolina forced a lot of that too. I have to disagree with this:
2

. Carolina's staff has changed. An o-line that was a major strength has become a weakness. There are a lot of questions up front for them.

Carolina moved Gross back to RT where he was pretty damn good and they got the number obe free agent offensive lineman, Mike Wahle from GB, and he can play any of the line positions and dominate. And he is only 26. They also suffered fromt he sudden retiremnt of Adam Meadows on their line last year, and Gross' struggles at LT. Won't be the same.

Also disagree with:

LOTS of injury questions. Will Davis be the same? Foster? Smith?

Smith is already at full speed. And in case Foster or Davis are still banged up, they drafted that beast RB Shelton from Louisville to fill the battering ram void. The guy is 6-3, 248 and a load. They took him early in the draft specifically as insurance for Davis.

But I agree with most everything else you said. I still see them, fully healthy, as the team to beat in our division.

Abdul, you might wanna check Jake's stats in the superbowl, or watch a game tape, if that performance didn't amaze you. What he did to NE's defense was pretty damn special. also, last season, he had 29 TDs, on what everyone will agree was a team nowhere near full strength. His passer rating was almost 90, on this same battered team. I don't know what else you are looking for to "amaze" you, but that was pretty damn special to me. Unless we could take Harrison, Edge James, and Rhodes, plus an offensive lineman off the Colts offense and Peyton still be dominant. Or take Dillon, Givens, Faulk, and an offensive lineman from Brady. TO have almost 30 Tds last year on that team I would call amazing. But, to each his own.

Danno · 06-02-2005, 10:25 AM

The Panthers were just a good football TEAM.
Yeah, Jake threw the ball up for grabs a lot, but their WR's made the plays.
They played like a team, stayed healthy, and got exactly what the deserved. A trip to the Superbowl.
Hats off. They EARNED it. I wish we'd play that good for at least one year.

saintswhodi · 06-02-2005, 10:41 AM

You and me both Danno, and I have to agree with WhoDat when he says we have the talent to do it. I question the QB, but if he could show that heart for one year we could have the same fate. Where I think we fall short of Carolina is coaching and front office. Those factors I believe keep us from being that TEAM, as you put it Danno. But I agree whole-heartedly, if we could play balls out just for that one year like they did, and get to a Superbowl, it will be all worth it. I think Tampa Bay will accept all those years of losing and having won a superbowl over having years and years of never truly being bad, but never having even been good enough to get to a Superbowl at all.

WhoDat · 06-02-2005, 02:52 PM

You don't think Jim Haslett is as good a coach as John Fox?

LOL

saintswhodi · 06-02-2005, 03:28 PM

You don't think Jim Haslett is as good a coach as John Fox?

If by "as good a coach" you mean "is much, much, much worse than."

Tobias-Reiper · 06-02-2005, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by saintswhodi

Exactly my feelings TR. Season opening division game? IT doesn't get any bigger. Best possible way we could open the season cayse it sets the tome right off. Should we win, and I don't expect us to, that could carry our young guys, and our vets, for most of the season. It would be huge to open the season one game up on Carolina in the division win column. Alas, the fall from a loss could be precipitous. All that talk of the last 4 games could be exposed for the smoke it was. But the more I think about how much that one game means, the more excited I get. This is a huge game right out the gate. That can't be stressed enough. IT could give us the mo we need for a special season, or rock us into one of those funks that takes two or three games, some threats, some false love, and some boos to get out of.

... it would be a huge win... an away division game to start the season...
..and consider this... after the Saints game, the Panthers host the Pats , and the Saints get the Giants at home.. so, if the Saints pull the win, there is a huge possibility of the Saints being 2-0 and the Panthers 0-2 out of the gate...

..obviously it doesn't guarantee a thing, but it would be a nice start...

saintswhodi · 06-02-2005, 04:16 PM

A nice start indeed, unless we pull the inexplicable beat the Panthers lost to the Giants trend we seem to have had going in recent years. Beat the good team, fall to the scrubs. But 2-0 with the Panthers 0-2 would be 4 words, PHE-NOM-E-NAL.

4saintspirit · 06-02-2005, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by saintswhodi

A nice start indeed, unless we pull the inexplicable beat the Panthers lost to the Giants trend we seem to have had going in recent years. Beat the good team, fall to the scrubs. But 2-0 with the Panthers 0-2 would be 4 words, PHE-NOM-E-NAL.

I say we start 4-0 before our swoon --- We beat the Panthers and the Giants leading us to believe we are on a roll and then beat Minn -- Only reason I have us beating Buff is that I think Loseman will have some gorwing pains -- Favre beats us though

06-02-2005, 10:03 AM	#21
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	WhoDat, I agree with the premisse that a lot rent right for Carolina the year they went to the Superbowl. But Carolina forced a lot of that too. I have to disagree with this: 2 . Carolina's staff has changed. An o-line that was a major strength has become a weakness. There are a lot of questions up front for them. Carolina moved Gross back to RT where he was pretty damn good and they got the number obe free agent offensive lineman, Mike Wahle from GB, and he can play any of the line positions and dominate. And he is only 26. They also suffered fromt he sudden retiremnt of Adam Meadows on their line last year, and Gross' struggles at LT. Won't be the same. Also disagree with: LOTS of injury questions. Will Davis be the same? Foster? Smith? Smith is already at full speed. And in case Foster or Davis are still banged up, they drafted that beast RB Shelton from Louisville to fill the battering ram void. The guy is 6-3, 248 and a load. They took him early in the draft specifically as insurance for Davis. But I agree with most everything else you said. I still see them, fully healthy, as the team to beat in our division. Abdul, you might wanna check Jake's stats in the superbowl, or watch a game tape, if that performance didn't amaze you. What he did to NE's defense was pretty damn special. also, last season, he had 29 TDs, on what everyone will agree was a team nowhere near full strength. His passer rating was almost 90, on this same battered team. I don't know what else you are looking for to "amaze" you, but that was pretty damn special to me. Unless we could take Harrison, Edge James, and Rhodes, plus an offensive lineman off the Colts offense and Peyton still be dominant. Or take Dillon, Givens, Faulk, and an offensive lineman from Brady. TO have almost 30 Tds last year on that team I would call amazing. But, to each his own.

06-02-2005, 02:52 PM	#24
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	You don't think Jim Haslett is as good a coach as John Fox? LOL
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06-02-2005, 03:57 PM	#26
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Originally Posted by saintswhodi Exactly my feelings TR. Season opening division game? IT doesn't get any bigger. Best possible way we could open the season cayse it sets the tome right off. Should we win, and I don't expect us to, that could carry our young guys, and our vets, for most of the season. It would be huge to open the season one game up on Carolina in the division win column. Alas, the fall from a loss could be precipitous. All that talk of the last 4 games could be exposed for the smoke it was. But the more I think about how much that one game means, the more excited I get. This is a huge game right out the gate. That can't be stressed enough. IT could give us the mo we need for a special season, or rock us into one of those funks that takes two or three games, some threats, some false love, and some boos to get out of. ... it would be a huge win... an away division game to start the season... ..and consider this... after the Saints game, the Panthers host the Pats , and the Saints get the Giants at home.. so, if the Saints pull the win, there is a huge possibility of the Saints being 2-0 and the Panthers 0-2 out of the gate... ..obviously it doesn't guarantee a thing, but it would be a nice start...

06-02-2005, 04:20 PM	#28
4saintspirit 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 690	Originally Posted by saintswhodi A nice start indeed, unless we pull the inexplicable beat the Panthers lost to the Giants trend we seem to have had going in recent years. Beat the good team, fall to the scrubs. But 2-0 with the Panthers 0-2 would be 4 words, PHE-NOM-E-NAL. I say we start 4-0 before our swoon --- We beat the Panthers and the Giants leading us to believe we are on a roll and then beat Minn -- Only reason I have us beating Buff is that I think Loseman will have some gorwing pains -- Favre beats us though
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06-02-2005, 10:25 AM	#22
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	The Panthers were just a good football TEAM. Yeah, Jake threw the ball up for grabs a lot, but their WR's made the plays. They played like a team, stayed healthy, and got exactly what the deserved. A trip to the Superbowl. Hats off. They EARNED it. I wish we'd play that good for at least one year.

06-02-2005, 10:41 AM	#23
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	You and me both Danno, and I have to agree with WhoDat when he says we have the talent to do it. I question the QB, but if he could show that heart for one year we could have the same fate. Where I think we fall short of Carolina is coaching and front office. Those factors I believe keep us from being that TEAM, as you put it Danno. But I agree whole-heartedly, if we could play balls out just for that one year like they did, and get to a Superbowl, it will be all worth it. I think Tampa Bay will accept all those years of losing and having won a superbowl over having years and years of never truly being bad, but never having even been good enough to get to a Superbowl at all.

06-02-2005, 03:28 PM	#25
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	You don't think Jim Haslett is as good a coach as John Fox? If by "as good a coach" you mean "is much, much, much worse than."

06-02-2005, 04:16 PM	#27
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	A nice start indeed, unless we pull the inexplicable beat the Panthers lost to the Giants trend we seem to have had going in recent years. Beat the good team, fall to the scrubs. But 2-0 with the Panthers 0-2 would be 4 words, PHE-NOM-E-NAL.