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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by Euphoria I don't blame TLL in that situation. Your job is to put the ball in the end zone everytime you get it if you can. If he had scored no one would say boo about him ...

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Old 12-18-2018, 12:58 PM   #1
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Re: Worst rule in football won’t change until it affects a championship game

Originally Posted by Euphoria View Post
I don't blame TLL in that situation.

Your job is to put the ball in the end zone everytime you get it if you can. If he had scored no one would say boo about him reaching it over.

It happened and its over.

NORMALLY, yes I would agree with that. But in that situation, with the game on the line, you go down in bounds and run the clock and live to fight another day. The idea in that scenario was to eventually score but also use as much of the clock as possible. If we were behind on the scoreboard, I would have no problem with what TommyLee tried to do, it would just be one of those bad breaks for the offense and so what, you were behind, you tried your best, and you were gonna lose anyway. But in last night's situation, with the lead, in a low scoring game -- running the clock and guaranteeing that we get SOME points, are far more important. Situational awareness is part of the game.We could have even potentially gotten that first down and goal at the 1, and then taken a knee, four times, not needing to score anything at all.
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NORMALLY, yes I would agree with that. But in that situation, with the game on the line, you go down in bounds and run the clock and live to fight another day. The idea in that scenario was to eventually score but also use as much of the clock as possible. If we were behind on the scoreboard, I would have no problem with what TommyLee tried to do, it would just be one of those bad breaks for the offense and so what, you were behind, you tried your best, and you were gonna lose anyway. But in last night's situation, with the lead, in a low scoring game -- running the clock and guaranteeing that we get SOME points, are far more important. Situational awareness is part of the game.We could have even potentially gotten that first down and goal at the 1, and then taken a knee, four times, not needing to score anything at all.
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Re: Worst rule in football won’t change until it affects a championship game

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NORMALLY, yes I would agree with that. But in that situation, with the game on the line, you go down in bounds and run the clock and live to fight another day. The idea in that scenario was to eventually score but also use as much of the clock as possible. If we were behind on the scoreboard, I would have no problem with what TommyLee tried to do, it would just be one of those bad breaks for the offense and so what, you were behind, you tried your best, and you were gonna lose anyway. But in last night's situation, with the lead, in a low scoring game -- running the clock and guaranteeing that we get SOME points, are far more important. Situational awareness is part of the game.We could have even potentially gotten that first down and goal at the 1, and then taken a knee, four times, not needing to score anything at all.
If that was the case the play call would have been brees to run back until someone came to him then go to one knee. That wasn't the situation. We were going to need the first down to win or the TD.

So the situation was not that at all.

And nor the other 10 other players on the field was blocking to run out the clock. This was a coaching call and the right situation is to put the ball in the endzone.

Its all great to play Tuesday morning QB after the game but that wasn't the situation in the game.

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Re: Worst rule in football won’t change until it affects a championship game

Originally Posted by Euphoria View Post
If that was the case the play call would have been brees to run back until someone came to him then go to one knee. That wasn't the situation. We were going to need the first down to win or the TD.

So the situation was not that at all.

And nor the other 10 other players on the field was blocking to run out the clock. This was a coaching call and the right situation is to put the ball in the endzone.

Its all great to play Tuesday morning QB after the game but that wasn't the situation in the game.
I have to disagree. The first down was much more crucial than the TD or the points in this instance. A first down inside the 1 ends the game.

There was a game this season where every fantasy owner of Gurley was ticked off because he took a knee at the end of the game instead of scoring a TD. The downs and the ability to run down the clock was more important than the points.

When there is one catastrophic outcome as opposed to multiple mild outcomes in relation, there's no way should the catastropic option be selected. One of a few things could have happened on the play:

1. TLL scores.
2. TLL gets the first down without scoring.
3. TLL doesn't get the first down.
4. TLL fumbles the ball with 4 possible outcomes:
a. Fumble out of bounds in the field of play
b. Fumble in bounds with TLL recovering
c. Fumble in bounds with Kitty recovery
d. FUMBLE THE BALL OUT THE END ZONE.

All of the first three are fine as is 4a and 4b. 4c isn't great but it would pin the Kitties inside the 1 yard line.

4d is really the only catastropic option. And that happens most likely by trying to extend the ball across the goal line. And unfortunately that's what TLL decided to do. At the position on the field he was when he was contacted, going down wins the game no matter the outcome with 4d being minimized.

As for Brees taking a knee, it wasn't the best option because there was no chance of getting a first down. There was still nearly 2 minutes left. This option guaranteed giving the Kitties the ball back. TLL getting a 1st down without scoring wins the game without the Kitties ever getting the ball back. Period.

Possession was 100 times more important than scoring in that instance. The first down was the way to retain possession. Scoring wasn't a necessary component.

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