I have a question about Brees' interceptions

neugey · 12-22-2018, 05:37 PM

Question for any residents statisticians or experts. This has been in the back of my mind and I cannot figure it out ...

So last week Brees threw 2 interceptions ... the one that was caught by Bradberry and another on the 2 point conversion attempt that got returned for points by the Panthers. But when I look at the player stats and totals I only see that one interception was tallied for Brees.

And I think I have seen this oddity before in other situations. Why do none of the stats on two point conversion seem to get included into player totals? Is this some obscure NFL or football scoring rule?

AsylumGuido · 12-22-2018, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by neugey

Question for any residents statisticians or experts. This has been in the back of my mind and I cannot figure it out ...

So last week Brees threw 2 interceptions ... the one that was caught by Bradberry and another on the 2 point conversion attempt that got returned for points by the Panthers. But when I look at the player stats and totals I only see that one interception was tallied for Brees.

And I think I have seen this oddity before in other situations. Why do none of the stats on two point conversion seem to get included into player totals? Is this some obscure NFL or football scoring rule?

Per the NFL Guide for Statisticians (page 36):

"No rushing, passing, receiving, interception, fumble or sack statistics shall be credited during an extra-point attempt."

foreverfan · 12-22-2018, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Per the NFL Guide for Statisticians (page 36):

"No rushing, passing, receiving, interception, fumble or sack statistics shall be credited during an extra-point attempt."

neugey · 12-22-2018, 09:57 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Per the NFL Guide for Statisticians (page 36):

"No rushing, passing, receiving, interception, fumble or sack statistics shall be credited during an extra-point attempt."

Thanks for finding that. So the rules are clearly written such that the only thing that statistically counts from the extra point/two-point conversion (outside of, strangely enough, penalty yardage) are the actual points scored. Kind of weird, but I guess since the game clock isn't running it is almost like the conversion occurs somewhat outside of the realm of the normal game.

Just think about that poor fella for the Panthers that basically had 100 yards of interception return yardage and none of it counted, nor the interception itself. Just the two points, which hardly ever gets looked it. It's bizarre, but I guess there must have been some historical context on why they drafted the rules that way which might be pretty hard to pin down now.

RailBoss · 12-23-2018, 02:46 AM

Re: I have a question about Brees' interceptions..

So does Drew...

cmike · 12-23-2018, 03:56 AM

1 in 4 straight games too.

SaintsBro · 12-23-2018, 07:32 AM

I think the logic is that, after you score a touchdown, by rule you HAVE to run that extra play, whether it is a kick or a 2 point play, so like the OP theorized, it exists outside of time in some other weird dimension of the game. In theory if you had a big enough lead you could line up for 2 and just take a knee, no points, but you do HAVE to snap the ball that extra time. I guess for that reason it doesn't count as a pick, for either player, it exists somewhere outside of space and time, in that other mysterious two point conversion universe, but I'm sure the agent of the player who made the catch and run will remind the team about that play at contract time.

SmashMouth · 12-23-2018, 08:16 AM

Originally Posted by foreverfan

Is that what you call going for TWO?

homerj07 · 12-23-2018, 08:42 AM

The Ints have me baffled. Why all of the sudden? There is no way he can earn the MVP now with those 3 crap games.

lynwood · 12-23-2018, 11:43 AM

The way they are pushing Mahomes , if he has a tough game against Pittsburg I agree. But if he gets back to normal and we whup the Steelers convincingly he will lock it up. He won't play in the final game against the kittens so this game is it.

12-22-2018, 05:37 PM	#1
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,672 Blog Entries: 13	I have a question about Brees' interceptions Question for any residents statisticians or experts. This has been in the back of my mind and I cannot figure it out ... So last week Brees threw 2 interceptions ... the one that was caught by Bradberry and another on the 2 point conversion attempt that got returned for points by the Panthers. But when I look at the player stats and totals I only see that one interception was tallied for Brees. And I think I have seen this oddity before in other situations. Why do none of the stats on two point conversion seem to get included into player totals? Is this some obscure NFL or football scoring rule?

12-22-2018, 05:48 PM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,044	Re: I have a question about Brees' interceptions Originally Posted by neugey Question for any residents statisticians or experts. This has been in the back of my mind and I cannot figure it out ... So last week Brees threw 2 interceptions ... the one that was caught by Bradberry and another on the 2 point conversion attempt that got returned for points by the Panthers. But when I look at the player stats and totals I only see that one interception was tallied for Brees. And I think I have seen this oddity before in other situations. Why do none of the stats on two point conversion seem to get included into player totals? Is this some obscure NFL or football scoring rule? Per the NFL Guide for Statisticians (page 36): "No rushing, passing, receiving, interception, fumble or sack statistics shall be credited during an extra-point attempt." neugey, SmashMouth, Beastmode and 1 others like this.

12-22-2018, 06:28 PM	#3
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: I have a question about Brees' interceptions Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Per the NFL Guide for Statisticians (page 36): "No rushing, passing, receiving, interception, fumble or sack statistics shall be credited during an extra-point attempt." SmashMouth likes this.

12-22-2018, 09:57 PM	#4
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,672 Blog Entries: 13	Re: I have a question about Brees' interceptions Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Per the NFL Guide for Statisticians (page 36): "No rushing, passing, receiving, interception, fumble or sack statistics shall be credited during an extra-point attempt." Thanks for finding that. So the rules are clearly written such that the only thing that statistically counts from the extra point/two-point conversion (outside of, strangely enough, penalty yardage) are the actual points scored. Kind of weird, but I guess since the game clock isn't running it is almost like the conversion occurs somewhat outside of the realm of the normal game. Just think about that poor fella for the Panthers that basically had 100 yards of interception return yardage and none of it counted, nor the interception itself. Just the two points, which hardly ever gets looked it. It's bizarre, but I guess there must have been some historical context on why they drafted the rules that way which might be pretty hard to pin down now.

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lynwood 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Hockley, Tx Posts: 1,515	Re: I have a question about Brees' interceptions The way they are pushing Mahomes , if he has a tough game against Pittsburg I agree. But if he gets back to normal and we whup the Steelers convincingly he will lock it up. He won't play in the final game against the kittens so this game is it.

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