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12-28-2018, 12:39 AM | #2 |
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Re: The MVP case for Drew Brees: Here's why Saints QB should win award for first time
BY NICK UNDERHILL | nunderhill@theadvocate.com Dec 27, 2018 - 10:53 am
The best quarterback on the best team is the MVP. No, wins should not be treated as a quarterback stat, but the voters for the NFL's MVP award have almost made this the criterion for winning the honor. So, go ahead and give it to Drew Brees. He has solid numbers, and the Saints have the league’s best record. Clean. Simple. Done. Look, this is an overly simplistic way to look at the award, and it definitely isn’t the sole way we’d decide the winner, but that is how formulaic it has become. Dating to 2006, only four times has the winner of the award not been the quarterback of a team that at least shared part of the best record in the NFL. And each of those seasons came with extenuating circumstances. One of those times was when Atlanta’s Matt Ryan won the award in 2016. The Patriots finished with the best record that season, but quarterback Tom Brady was suspended for four games to start the season. Easy choice. Give it to the guy with the highest quarterback rating and be done with it. In 2012, Minnesota running back Adrian Peterson won the award after rushing for 2,097 yards with 12 touchdowns. He just missed breaking Eric Dickerson’s single-season rushing record of 2,105 yards. Atlanta had the best record that season, but Ryan’s 99.1 quarterback rating would have been the lowest mark among any winner of the award outside of Peyton Manning in 2008. So, it’s probably no coincidence that 2008 is another outlier year on this list. The Titans set the league on fire that season, posting a league-best 13-3 record, but quarterback Kerry Collins was less than stellar. He finished the season with 2,676 yards on 58.3 percent passing with 12 touchdowns and seven interceptions. That opened the door for the league to celebrate Manning, even though it was by far the weakest of his five MVP seasons. The last outlier on this list is 2006 when San Diego running back LaDainian Tomlinson won the award. The Chargers had the best record in the NFL the season, but quarterback Philip Rivers was still settling in as a first-year starter. He finished the year with a 92 passer rating. It seems like an easy decision based on these criteria. Brees has a 13-2 record heading into the final game of the year. If wins matter that much, then it should give him an edge on Kansas City’s Patrick Mahomes, who is having a historic season and is running neck-and-neck with the New Orleans quarterback for the award but is sitting on an 11-4 record. While Brees not having an MVP award while two other quarterbacks in his division have won is a significant oddity, he should not be given a lifetime achievement award. If someone believes Mahomes deserves the award based on the merits of this season, then he should win it. Mahomes might not ever have another chance to win it. Look how long Brees has waited to get back in the conversation. Brees getting shut out of the award isn't a major scandal. His best chance came in 2009. His numbers in 2011 were terrific, but Green Bay's Aaron Rodgers had one of the best seasons ever by a quarterback and also posted a 14-1 record. No one else stood a chance. He should have had more than a chance in 2009. Brees’ 34 touchdowns, 109.6 quarterback rating, and 70.6 completion percentage led the league, while he also threw for 4,388 yards with 11 interceptions. The Saints were 13-2 in his starts. Manning had a very comparable season. He completed 68.8 percent of his passes for 4,500 yards with 33 touchdowns, 16 interceptions, and a 99.8 quarterback rating. The Colts finished 14-2. Perhaps the most significant difference is that Manning led seven fourth-quarter comebacks and had seven game-winning drives. Brees had two and four, respectively. So, Brees had better numbers per game, but Manning had more wins and more clutch performance. The opposite is happening this year. It's almost like Brees is fighting off the younger version of himself, the version that never seemed to do quite enough to win the award. Mahomes is having an incredible season. He is probably going to finish the year with 5,000 yards and 50 touchdowns on 66 percent passing. He has 11 interceptions and a 114 quarterback rating. Brees cannot compete with Mahomes’ volume, though he did lose about half of game's worth of stats because of blowing out Cincinnati, and possibly more if he doesn't play this week against the Panthers. If the Saints quarterback wins, it has to be on efficiency and team success. He has 32 touchdowns and 3,992 yards but is going to set the records for competition percentage (74.4). He’s thrown five interceptions and has a 115.7 quarterback rating. The other difference is Brees has led seven game-winning drives and six fourth-quarter comebacks. Mahomes has two of each. It's like a flashback to 2009. Really, it comes down to personal preference. There are two very viable candidates. Our vote, if we had one, would go to Brees. It’s not about wins, and it’s not about stats. It’s about all of it — wins, stats, efficiency, execution. Having a 6-1 record against winning teams while Mahomes is 3-4 is also significant. The only bad moment of Brees' season came at the end of the game against Dallas. He's stepped up all year and done what's been asked of him, even if it hasn't resulted in massive stats. Having a good team shouldn't be a punishable offense if team wins have been so historically significant for voters. So, while it isn’t clean, easy or simple, it feels like this should be his year. |
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12-28-2018, 08:13 AM | #3 |
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Re: The MVP case for Drew Brees: Here's why Saints QB should win award for first time
Brees MVP? Maybe 6 games ago
Despite his current losses - Mahommes is lighting it up Deserves the mvp Drew has done some incredible things this year but Drew has also had 8 sub 250 yard games that Dallas - Tampa - Carolina stretch didn't help any despite a weakened o-line his lowest game - 120 yards against the stout Vikings he is 8 yards below 4,000 this year the sports world will complain heavily if they hand the mvp to Drew Drew already earned the mvp in my mind in 2009 and 2011 rather keep the chip on the shoulder - how did they miss out on this the last regular season mvp to win a Super Bowl was Kurt Warner in 1999 now go out and earn your second SB MVP |
12-28-2018, 12:30 PM | #4 |
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Re: The MVP case for Drew Brees: Here's why Saints QB should win award for first time
Up until the Dallas game, I'd fought, argued hard for Brees as he had only one INT to that point with 30 PaTD vs Mahomes who had 43 PaTD and 11 picks...
But Brees has not been Brees since the Big D game, he looks like he's waiting for the other teams to just fold instead of imposing his will as he has in the past... And even in those KC losses, Mahomes kept bringing those teams back at the end; KC is where we were last season and lacking a secondary to stop the 3rd & 27 conversion plays... |
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12-28-2018, 12:37 PM | #5 |
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Re: The MVP case for Drew Brees: Here's why Saints QB should win award for first time
I hope he doesn’t win the MVP. Because Drew in the playoffs with a chip on his shoulder is bad news for everybody else
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12-28-2018, 02:42 PM | #6 |
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Re: The MVP case for Drew Brees: Here's why Saints QB should win award for first time
It doesn't matter. They look for their darling crap ass all to sell tickets or to put fodder for guys like mouth of trash Smith to talk about on TV. The proof is in the pudding and how your teammates think about you. Until the basis of this reward really goes on merits and true statistics it is meaningless and should not be a topic or a distinction of achievement.
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12-28-2018, 02:53 PM | #7 |
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Re: The MVP case for Drew Brees: Here's why Saints QB should win award for first time
Audiotom sounds like one of the people who live on flash and not substance Peyton liked Mahommes and wanted him but that system in KC is not going to work you wait and see what happens when adversity comes his way.
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12-28-2018, 04:05 PM | #9 |
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Re: The MVP case for Drew Brees: Here's why Saints QB should win award for first time
Haven't respected the Heisman since the Big Ten Alum and media awarded it to DB Charles Woodson over Peyton Manning...
Same deal with NFL MVP in 2011 when Aaron Rodgers was voted over Drew Brees after Brees won the Passing Triple Crown... ...which included breaking Dan Marino's 27 yo PaYds/Season record... |
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