QB Controversy

Danno · 12-31-2018, 03:56 PM

I'm pretty sure on every play there are 11 assignments with multiple adjustments on the fly. One bad play can cost dearly, but may be a result of several different mistakes or a key mistake by someone you and I aren't aware of.

Also no one considers the play that would have resulted in an offensive TD that didn't work because someone else didn't do their job correctly. Only the coaches know exactly what went right, and what went wrong on every play on both sides of the ball.

I doubt one player is ever the sole reason a game is won or lost.

burningmetal · 01-01-2019, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

I'm pretty sure on every play there are 11 assignments with multiple adjustments on the fly. One bad play can cost dearly, but may be a result of several different mistakes or a key mistake by someone you and I aren't aware of.

Also no one considers the play that would have resulted in an offensive TD that didn't work because someone else didn't do their job correctly. Only the coaches know exactly what went right, and what went wrong on every play on both sides of the ball.

I doubt one player is ever the sole reason a game is won or lost.

Danno, if you're talking to me, I'll refer you to my post directly before this one, on the previous page.

Put simply, I never said it was one guy's fault, and made a point of making that clear. But your QB has the highest responsibility to get everything in order, and to not force plays that aren't there. He has forced a lot of throws in his career that have led to some awful mistakes.

That doesn't mean he isn't elite. That's a separate discussion. I'm speaking only to the unwillingness of his fan base to ever admit something IS his fault, or even that he is largely responsible for a loss.

AsylumGuido · 01-02-2019, 07:04 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Danno, if you're talking to me, I'll refer you to my post directly before this one, on the previous page.

Put simply, I never said it was one guy's fault, and made a point of making that clear. But your QB has the highest responsibility to get everything in order, and to not force plays that aren't there. He has forced a lot of throws in his career that have led to some awful mistakes.

That doesn't mean he isn't elite. That's a separate discussion. I'm speaking only to the unwillingness of his fan base to ever admit something IS his fault, or even that he is largely responsible for a loss.

Once again, the original post by the member to whom you replied simply said he could count the number of games that Brees had cost the Saints a win on less than two hands. He never denied that losing some games was Brees' fault or that he wasn't largely responsible for loses. All he said was that those instances probably numbered less than ten.

12-31-2018, 03:56 PM	#1
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: QB Controversy I'm pretty sure on every play there are 11 assignments with multiple adjustments on the fly. One bad play can cost dearly, but may be a result of several different mistakes or a key mistake by someone you and I aren't aware of. Also no one considers the play that would have resulted in an offensive TD that didn't work because someone else didn't do their job correctly. Only the coaches know exactly what went right, and what went wrong on every play on both sides of the ball. I doubt one player is ever the sole reason a game is won or lost. spkb25 and AsylumGuido like this.

01-01-2019, 05:33 PM	#2
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: QB Controversy Originally Posted by Danno I'm pretty sure on every play there are 11 assignments with multiple adjustments on the fly. One bad play can cost dearly, but may be a result of several different mistakes or a key mistake by someone you and I aren't aware of. Also no one considers the play that would have resulted in an offensive TD that didn't work because someone else didn't do their job correctly. Only the coaches know exactly what went right, and what went wrong on every play on both sides of the ball. I doubt one player is ever the sole reason a game is won or lost. Danno, if you're talking to me, I'll refer you to my post directly before this one, on the previous page. Put simply, I never said it was one guy's fault, and made a point of making that clear. But your QB has the highest responsibility to get everything in order, and to not force plays that aren't there. He has forced a lot of throws in his career that have led to some awful mistakes. That doesn't mean he isn't elite. That's a separate discussion. I'm speaking only to the unwillingness of his fan base to ever admit something IS his fault, or even that he is largely responsible for a loss. Danno likes this.
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01-02-2019, 07:04 AM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,703	Re: QB Controversy Originally Posted by burningmetal Danno, if you're talking to me, I'll refer you to my post directly before this one, on the previous page. Put simply, I never said it was one guy's fault, and made a point of making that clear. But your QB has the highest responsibility to get everything in order, and to not force plays that aren't there. He has forced a lot of throws in his career that have led to some awful mistakes. That doesn't mean he isn't elite. That's a separate discussion. I'm speaking only to the unwillingness of his fan base to ever admit something IS his fault, or even that he is largely responsible for a loss. Once again, the original post by the member to whom you replied simply said he could count the number of games that Brees had cost the Saints a win on less than two hands. He never denied that losing some games was Brees' fault or that he wasn't largely responsible for loses. All he said was that those instances probably numbered less than ten.