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spkb25 12-30-2018 03:11 PM

QB Controversy
 
D. Brees and Teddy against the same Panthers

Brees: 22-35 203 yrds, no TD, 1 INT. Only 12 points

Teddy 14-22 118 yrds 1 TD, 1 int 14 points

You be the judge

frydaddy 12-30-2018 03:14 PM

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Oh boy, here come the old guys to tell us how it really is. They're so knowledgeable.

Thirty3 12-30-2018 03:14 PM

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No controversy .Drew needs to come back or it could be a controversy between Taysom and Teddy

SmashMouth 12-30-2018 03:18 PM

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Kyle Allen 16-27 228 yards, 2 TDs, 0 INTs, 33 points

Cam Newton 16-29 131 yards, 0 TDs, 1 INT, 9 points


Supports our Saints history of making all stars out of first time QB starters

WhoDat!656 12-30-2018 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 831597)
D. Brees and Teddy against the same Panthers

Brees: 22-35 203 yrds, no TD, 1 INT. Only 12 points

Teddy 14-22 118 yrds 1 TD, 1 int 14 points

You be the judge

Which QB led team won?

spkb25 12-30-2018 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 (Post 831604)
Which QB led team won?

but wait, teddy did not have AK or the entire oline

just saying

spkb25 12-30-2018 03:21 PM

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the real reason sp wouldn't let teddy throw, scared to hurt drew's feelings? agree or disagree?

WhoDat!656 12-30-2018 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 831605)
but wait, teddy did not have AK or the entire oline

just saying

Brees won on the road on MNF

Just sayin'

spkb25 12-30-2018 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 (Post 831607)
Brees won on the road on MNF

Just sayin'

but the defense won that game, right?

SmashMouth 12-30-2018 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 831606)
the real reason sp wouldn't let teddy throw, scared to hurt drew's feelings? agree or disagree?

SP prolly didn't wanna see Choppa Style in the locker room!

spkb25 12-30-2018 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 831610)
SP prolly didn't wanna see Choppa Style in the locker room!

lmmfao!!!! exactly

WhoDat!656 12-30-2018 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 831606)
the real reason sp wouldn't let teddy throw, scared to hurt drew's feelings? agree or disagree?

Disagree

WhoDat!656 12-30-2018 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 831609)
but the defense won that game, right?

Offense had to get the lead for the defense to protect.

Halo 12-30-2018 03:29 PM

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blackangold 12-30-2018 03:35 PM

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Teddy gets to many props for doing nothing, the guy finally gets his chance and stunk it up. He isn't the answer in my opinion.

WhoDat!656 12-30-2018 03:38 PM

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To be fair I don't think SP played this game to win

spkb25 12-30-2018 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 831619)
Teddy gets to many props for doing nothing, the guy finally gets his chance and stunk it up. He isn't the answer in my opinion.

yet he scored more points and threw more td's than drew could against this same team. And he had less people at his disposal.

???

WhoDat!656 12-30-2018 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 831621)
yet he scored more points and threw more td's than drew could against this same team. And he had less people at his disposal.

???

What's more important; wins or stats?

spkb25 12-30-2018 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 (Post 831623)
What's more important; wins or stats?

but if the d didnt let up 33 we would have won

saintfan 12-30-2018 03:48 PM

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Give Teddy our starting o-line and Kamara, Ginn, etc, and I think we'd be in the hunt.

Halo 12-30-2018 03:56 PM

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The sooner we can dump Brees, the faster we'll be popping wheelies and collecting Superbowl rings with Teddy at the helm.

jnormand 12-30-2018 03:57 PM

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Lmao!!! You guys are clowns.

blackangold 12-30-2018 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 831621)
yet he scored more points and threw more td's than drew could against this same team. And he had less people at his disposal.

???

Not sure if you are serious here. Are you saying Teddy should be starting over Drew, that would be a foolish statement.

Also, to say these were the same teams is erroneous. Carolina had 2nd and 3rd stringers on D for the 4th qtr (when Teddy had some success).

spkb25 12-30-2018 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 831636)
Not sure if you are serious here. Are you saying Teddy should be starting over Drew, that would be a foolish statement.

Also, to say these were the same teams is erroneous. Carolina had 2nd and 3rd stringers on D for the 4th qtr (when Teddy had some success).

dude come on...

I actually got the idea because someone on this board literally told me that chase had better numbers than drew as an insinuation it meant he was better than drew.(for that week) So I just wanted to post something absurd and see how many peeps would comment

Plus it is going to be boring until the divisional round so figured I'd have a little fun

RailBoss 12-30-2018 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 831602)
Kyle Allen 16-27 228 yards, 2 TDs, 0 INTs, 33 points

Cam Newton 16-29 131 yards, 0 TDs, 1 INT, 9 points


Supports our Saints history of making all stars out of first time QB starters

Not to mention Journeyman QB's like Ryan Fitzpatrick & Sam Bradford as well.
Even Roman Gabriel gave thought about coming out of retirement against the saints.

st thomas 12-30-2018 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 (Post 831620)
To be fair I don't think SP played this game to win



Didn’t give a second look at playing to win just like 2009 oh ya we won it all that year . Meaningless flop guys let’s move on

st thomas 12-30-2018 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Halo (Post 831630)
The sooner we can dump Brees, the faster we'll be popping wheelies and collecting Superbowl rings with Teddy at the helm.



Lmfao I love it

TheKillerBs 12-31-2018 08:39 AM

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This is an amusing thread, but I would like to address all the haters that I've been seeing (Not here, mind you. Mostly on Facebook.) who are all like "We're in deep trouble if this guy takes over after Drew leaves."

Guys, he was making his first start in three years, behind a patchwork O-line, mostly handing off to a 3rd string RB, with the most vanilla of vanilla play calling. Give the guy a break!

burningmetal 12-31-2018 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 (Post 831615)
Offense had to get the lead for the defense to protect.

I guess it's stupid for me to post in the Saints forum, since certain people will say "you don't have the right", but, whatever. I just saw this comment and I can't help but reply.

Regardless of any controversy or no controversy, it just doesn't make any sense to say that the offense had to give the team a lead to protect. Who protected the lead, if they won a game while scoring 12 points? The offense? Not quite.

The extent to which people will go to protect the "sacred" ground Brees walks on has always amazed me. And I'm not doggin' on the guy, either. But there has to be a limit somewhere.

WhoDat!656 12-31-2018 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 831726)
I guess it's stupid for me to post in the Saints forum, since certain people will say "you don't have the right", but, whatever. I just saw this comment and I can't help but reply.

Regardless of any controversy or no controversy, it just doesn't make any sense to say that the offense had to give the team a lead to protect. Who protected the lead, if they won a game while scoring 12 points? The offense? Not quite.

The extent to which people will go to protect the "sacred" ground Brees walks on has always amazed me. And I'm not doggin' on the guy, either. But there has to be a limit somewhere.

How soon we forget the years when the offense had to score like a pinball machine because the defense couldn't protect a lead.

burningmetal 12-31-2018 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 (Post 831731)
How soon we forget the years when the offense had to score like a pinball machine because the defense couldn't protect a lead.

I haven't forgotten, my friend. Winning a game while needing to score 40 points is not the same as winning a game, scoring 12.

When you put up 40, you credit the offense. When you only score 12, you credit the defense if you win. It's not any more complicated than that.

burningmetal 12-31-2018 10:00 AM

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Through the years, however, when Brees has had bad performances nobody has been allowed to say that he was bad. There's always been some weird, abstract analysis given to try to prove that he was somehow managing the game. Like as if he planned it that way.

Never made any sense to me.

WhoDat!656 12-31-2018 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 831734)
I haven't forgotten, my friend. Winning a game while needing to score 40 points is not the same as winning a game, scoring 12.

When you put up 40, you credit the offense. When you only score 12, you credit the defense if you win. It's not any more complicated than that.

If a team scores 40 points and loses, offense isn't the problem.

WhoDat!656 12-31-2018 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 831737)
Through the years, however, when Brees has had bad performances nobody has been allowed to say that he was bad. There's always been some weird, abstract analysis given to try to prove that he was somehow managing the game. Like as if he planned it that way.

Never made any sense to me.

You could probably count on both hands the number of games the Saints have lost because of Brees.

jeanpierre 12-31-2018 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 831605)
but wait, teddy did not have AK or the entire oline

just saying

Kyle Allen was missing talent on his side of the ball (including at least three offensive line on IR) and STILL outperformed Teddy Bridgewater having McCaffrey on just a couple of series...

burningmetal 12-31-2018 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 (Post 831748)
If a team scores 40 points and loses, offense isn't the problem.

.......?


Did you read what I said? If the offense scores 40, you credit them. If they score 12 and win, you credit the defense. That's what I said. In what way did I insinuate that scoring 40 and losing is the offense's fault?

It seems like you don't want to see a simple point for what it is.

spkb25 12-31-2018 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 831751)
Kyle Allen was missing talent on his side of the ball (including at least three offensive line on IR) and STILL outperformed Teddy Bridgewater having McCaffrey on just a couple of series...

It is these type of arguments I was being satirical about with my post. Maybe you are too

spkb25 12-31-2018 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 831752)
.......?


Did you read what I said? If the offense scores 40, you credit them. If they score 12 and win, you credit the defense. That's what I said. In what way did I insinuate that scoring 40 and losing is the offense's fault?

It seems like you don't want to see a simple point for what it is.

I am so confused by his post to your post...it was literally like regurgitating what you had just said

burningmetal 12-31-2018 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 (Post 831749)
You could probably count on both hands the number of games the Saints have lost because of Brees.

I can definitely count more than that, that he cost the team. Not that any one player single handedly loses a game, but you get the point.

You're missing the main point, though, again. I'm not saying Brees sucks and should be immediately supplanted by Teddy Bridgewater. I'll leave you folks to argue about that, if you want to. It's the idea that Brees can do no wrong. Your comment that I originally responded to was case in point. That you would try to frame a 12 point output as a good job by the offense, simply because they won, makes no sense. If the defense doesn't show up, it's a loss. When another QB puts up 14 points and loses, he sucks, and somehow he is also responsible for the defense sucking.

There is no consistency there.

Thirty3 12-31-2018 01:16 PM

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Seemed tome that just about every pass play Teddy was looking for MT till almost too late to hit anyone else. Coaches design or Teddy wanting in on record?


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