Levar Fisher

Danno · 06-08-2005, 08:11 AM

Here's what I posted last month.

I know Levar has played WLB mostly, but I've read he plays well in traffic, and takes on blockers well. He's also added weight since he was drafted. He may be similar to James Allen in that he started at WLB and moved over to SLB as his physical play improved.

I think he has the skill set to play the SLB. He certainly couldn't be any worse than Hodge.

Here's why I think he could play the SLB. Remember, this scouting report was done when he was a rookie, and he has added 15 to 20 lbs since this scouting report.
Positives:
Has very quick instincts to read and react
Moves through traffic with force
Able to locate the ball in an instant
Makes great use of his strong upper body,
Uses his hands to sift through traffic
Has the balance and body control needed to avoid low blocks
Has good zone awareness, showing good depth on his drops
Sound tackler who lowers his shoulder properly before delivering the hit
Displays balance as he moves down the line in pursuit
Has a crisp, controlled backpedal, opening his hips properly to turn on the ball
Has the flexibility to counter blocks when attempting to close
Plays low to the ground, playing with classic wrapup tackle technique.

If you ask me Levar Fisher has SLB written all over him, now that he's added the bulk. His main knocks were all about his size, but he's already added 20 lbs so thats no longer an issue. I think he can push Allen for a starting job and push Hodge out the door.

saintswhodi · 06-08-2005, 09:56 AM

Okay, why not:

Negatives: Little undersized, and this poses problems at times, as the bigger blockers generally cover him up ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦ Lacks the bulk to stay inside, so he must play off the line in order to be effective ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦ Tries to run through blocks and does not have the strength to develop consistency as a blitzer ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦ Gets tied up at times and is slow to shed ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦ Falls off tackles working in space, as he seems to be unaware of the receivers moves through routes.

Does not seem like a guy I want as my SLB. I would rather we tried Colby there.

Danno · 06-08-2005, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by saintswhodi

Okay, why not:

Negatives: Little undersized, and this poses problems at times, as the bigger blockers generally cover him up ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦ Lacks the bulk to stay inside, so he must play off the line in order to be effective ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦ Tries to run through blocks and does not have the strength to develop consistency as a blitzer ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦ Gets tied up at times and is slow to shed ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦ Falls off tackles working in space, as he seems to be unaware of the receivers moves through routes.

Does not seem like a guy I want as my SLB. I would rather we tried Colby there.

Well, like I said, that scouting report was done when he was a Senior in college and weighed about 225. he's now up over 240 lbs. He needed strength and bulk, and he's got it now.

Are people gonna bring up Colby's size weaknesses as a 219 pound LB when he now weighs a muscular 246? Are you gonna say you don't want Colby based on his college scouting report?

saintswhodi · 06-08-2005, 12:18 PM

Are you gonna say you don't want Colby based on his college scouting report?

Seems like I already said I wanted Colby to try at SLB, but since this seems just to argue.......

Colby doesn't have an injury history. Colby appeared to be a stud when on the field last year. Colby has bulked up as well. How is it you can list positives from a scouting report and say you want a guy but I can list negatives from a scouting report and it should not be trusted, or, it was from college so it shouldn't be? I would prefer Colby try at SLB over Fisher. I have seen him play and feels like he can be very good. It's not the end of the world. I am sure Fisher will do something.

Danno · 06-08-2005, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by saintswhodi

Are you gonna say you don't want Colby based on his college scouting report?

How is it you can list positives from a scouting report and say you want a guy but I can list negatives from a scouting report and it should not be trusted, or, it was from college so it shouldn't be? I would prefer Colby try at SLB over Fisher. I have seen him play and feels like he can be very good. It's not the end of the world. I am sure Fisher will do something.

I never said his negatives couldn't be trusted. Where'd you read that?

I think either you misunderstood me, or I didn't explain myself well enough. I'll try again.

I listed his attributes I feel would qualify him as a good SLB prospect. His negatives (at the time of that scouting report) were basically size/strength related. So if he has addressed the size/strength issues (as Colby apparently has) then I feel he is quite capable of sliding over to SLB. I never said he'd be better than or worse than Colby.

I guess the SLB attributes I listed could also be affected by his increased size/strength, but thats unlikely in my opinion. My main worry with Fisher is if he's recovered from his ACL.

saintswhodi · 06-08-2005, 01:05 PM

Adding size and strength are a good thing for Fisher, hell any of our LBs, but will the added size work well with his gimpy knee? I am glad he has bulked up cause it shows a commitment to improve. Personally, I would prefer they just try Colby at SLB. It may not work, but if it does, we know colby is a beast. He is fast, and does not have injury issues, at least not yet. It would be nice if fisher could play SLB, but if he is doing well, and 3 games in he is hurt, leaves us in a lurch at SLB again. But if we have Colby there and getting the reps, Fisher can spot him for rest situations, and we can see how he would hold up. They both would get time at SLB, with Colby getting the lion's share. I guess I am just not sold on this Fisher cat to trust him like that. I hope he, and well as many other players, simply prove me wrong and play balls out. But I know for a fact if Colby is on the field, he will play balls out. I don't have to hope for that.

WhoDat · 06-08-2005, 02:39 PM

So what's the outlook now depth chart wise?

WLB: Buckwoldt, L of Fincher/Watson, D Rodgers, Fisher, every other LB on the Team.
MLB: W of Fincher/Watson
SLB: Allen, Hodge, ???

Danno · 06-08-2005, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDat

So what's the outlook now depth chart wise?

WLB: Buckwoldt, L of Fincher/Watson, D Rodgers, Fisher, every other LB on the Team.
MLB: W of Fincher/Watson
SLB: Allen, Hodge, ???

LOL, I've posted the same thing before. Seems like we have 2SLB, 2MLB, and 11 WLB's. Thats why I thought Fisher could slide over to SLB like Allen did.

I've also read that the Cabel Rohlof kid might be able to play SLB also. Never heard of him other than we claimed him off the PS from the Ravens. I think the rookie Rabe is also a SLB prospect but if you wanna look at somewhat proven players at SLB we don't have a leg to stand on.

James Allen, 6 good games can't erase the 10 horrible ones he had before that. Does he finally get it? Dunno
Sedrick Hodge, good back-up, but not much else.
Rohlof-Not a clue about this guy
Rabe-Don't know. His scouting report looks good. Several teams contacted him after the draft. Of course if I had to choose a team I thought I could make, it would be New Orleans.
Fisher-Has the tools, but has he fully recovered from the ACL, and can he make the switch to SLB?

jnormand · 06-09-2005, 05:45 AM

Is it possible for Fincher to slide to SLB? I know he plays MIKE, but if Colby and Watson take the WLB and MLB, could he play some SLB? I guess I would really like to see Colby and Watson start this year and play really well. Nothing against Allen, but I am not sold on the guy yet. He did have a few good games, but it seems he should have played better.

I think Buckwoldt, Watson and Allen are going to end up our starters. Hey, they played well late last season, maybe they are the answer. I think Fincher brings a lot to the table, but is he pushing Watson at MLB?

Too many questions at LB!

tiggerpolice · 06-10-2005, 05:58 PM

I think Fincher brings a lot to the table, but is he pushing Watson at MLB?

if he does beat out watson at MLB....watson gonna start at WLB..he is gonna start no matter what....it just depends how well fincher plays...thats gonna determen where.....

06-08-2005, 08:11 AM	#11
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Here's what I posted last month. I know Levar has played WLB mostly, but I've read he plays well in traffic, and takes on blockers well. He's also added weight since he was drafted. He may be similar to James Allen in that he started at WLB and moved over to SLB as his physical play improved. I think he has the skill set to play the SLB. He certainly couldn't be any worse than Hodge. Here's why I think he could play the SLB. Remember, this scouting report was done when he was a rookie, and he has added 15 to 20 lbs since this scouting report. Positives: Has very quick instincts to read and react Moves through traffic with force Able to locate the ball in an instant Makes great use of his strong upper body, Uses his hands to sift through traffic Has the balance and body control needed to avoid low blocks Has good zone awareness, showing good depth on his drops Sound tackler who lowers his shoulder properly before delivering the hit Displays balance as he moves down the line in pursuit Has a crisp, controlled backpedal, opening his hips properly to turn on the ball Has the flexibility to counter blocks when attempting to close Plays low to the ground, playing with classic wrapup tackle technique. If you ask me Levar Fisher has SLB written all over him, now that he's added the bulk. His main knocks were all about his size, but he's already added 20 lbs so thats no longer an issue. I think he can push Allen for a starting job and push Hodge out the door.

06-08-2005, 09:56 AM	#12
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Okay, why not: Negatives: Little undersized, and this poses problems at times, as the bigger blockers generally cover him up ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦ Lacks the bulk to stay inside, so he must play off the line in order to be effective ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦ Tries to run through blocks and does not have the strength to develop consistency as a blitzer ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦ Gets tied up at times and is slow to shed ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦ Falls off tackles working in space, as he seems to be unaware of the receivers moves through routes. Does not seem like a guy I want as my SLB. I would rather we tried Colby there.

06-08-2005, 11:34 AM	#13
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Originally Posted by saintswhodi Okay, why not: Negatives: Little undersized, and this poses problems at times, as the bigger blockers generally cover him up ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦ Lacks the bulk to stay inside, so he must play off the line in order to be effective ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦ Tries to run through blocks and does not have the strength to develop consistency as a blitzer ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦ Gets tied up at times and is slow to shed ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦ Falls off tackles working in space, as he seems to be unaware of the receivers moves through routes. Does not seem like a guy I want as my SLB. I would rather we tried Colby there. Well, like I said, that scouting report was done when he was a Senior in college and weighed about 225. he's now up over 240 lbs. He needed strength and bulk, and he's got it now. Are people gonna bring up Colby's size weaknesses as a 219 pound LB when he now weighs a muscular 246? Are you gonna say you don't want Colby based on his college scouting report?

06-08-2005, 12:46 PM	#15
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Originally Posted by saintswhodi Are you gonna say you don't want Colby based on his college scouting report? How is it you can list positives from a scouting report and say you want a guy but I can list negatives from a scouting report and it should not be trusted, or, it was from college so it shouldn't be? I would prefer Colby try at SLB over Fisher. I have seen him play and feels like he can be very good. It's not the end of the world. I am sure Fisher will do something. I never said his negatives couldn't be trusted. Where'd you read that? I think either you misunderstood me, or I didn't explain myself well enough. I'll try again. I listed his attributes I feel would qualify him as a good SLB prospect. His negatives (at the time of that scouting report) were basically size/strength related. So if he has addressed the size/strength issues (as Colby apparently has) then I feel he is quite capable of sliding over to SLB. I never said he'd be better than or worse than Colby. I guess the SLB attributes I listed could also be affected by his increased size/strength, but thats unlikely in my opinion. My main worry with Fisher is if he's recovered from his ACL.

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WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	So what's the outlook now depth chart wise? WLB: Buckwoldt, L of Fincher/Watson, D Rodgers, Fisher, every other LB on the Team. MLB: W of Fincher/Watson SLB: Allen, Hodge, ???
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06-08-2005, 12:18 PM	#14
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Are you gonna say you don't want Colby based on his college scouting report? Seems like I already said I wanted Colby to try at SLB, but since this seems just to argue....... Colby doesn't have an injury history. Colby appeared to be a stud when on the field last year. Colby has bulked up as well. How is it you can list positives from a scouting report and say you want a guy but I can list negatives from a scouting report and it should not be trusted, or, it was from college so it shouldn't be? I would prefer Colby try at SLB over Fisher. I have seen him play and feels like he can be very good. It's not the end of the world. I am sure Fisher will do something.

06-08-2005, 01:05 PM	#16
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Adding size and strength are a good thing for Fisher, hell any of our LBs, but will the added size work well with his gimpy knee? I am glad he has bulked up cause it shows a commitment to improve. Personally, I would prefer they just try Colby at SLB. It may not work, but if it does, we know colby is a beast. He is fast, and does not have injury issues, at least not yet. It would be nice if fisher could play SLB, but if he is doing well, and 3 games in he is hurt, leaves us in a lurch at SLB again. But if we have Colby there and getting the reps, Fisher can spot him for rest situations, and we can see how he would hold up. They both would get time at SLB, with Colby getting the lion's share. I guess I am just not sold on this Fisher cat to trust him like that. I hope he, and well as many other players, simply prove me wrong and play balls out. But I know for a fact if Colby is on the field, he will play balls out. I don't have to hope for that.

06-08-2005, 03:06 PM	#18
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Originally Posted by WhoDat So what's the outlook now depth chart wise? WLB: Buckwoldt, L of Fincher/Watson, D Rodgers, Fisher, every other LB on the Team. MLB: W of Fincher/Watson SLB: Allen, Hodge, ??? LOL, I've posted the same thing before. Seems like we have 2SLB, 2MLB, and 11 WLB's. Thats why I thought Fisher could slide over to SLB like Allen did. I've also read that the Cabel Rohlof kid might be able to play SLB also. Never heard of him other than we claimed him off the PS from the Ravens. I think the rookie Rabe is also a SLB prospect but if you wanna look at somewhat proven players at SLB we don't have a leg to stand on. James Allen, 6 good games can't erase the 10 horrible ones he had before that. Does he finally get it? Dunno Sedrick Hodge, good back-up, but not much else. Rohlof-Not a clue about this guy Rabe-Don't know. His scouting report looks good. Several teams contacted him after the draft. Of course if I had to choose a team I thought I could make, it would be New Orleans. Fisher-Has the tools, but has he fully recovered from the ACL, and can he make the switch to SLB?

06-09-2005, 05:45 AM	#19
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,687	Is it possible for Fincher to slide to SLB? I know he plays MIKE, but if Colby and Watson take the WLB and MLB, could he play some SLB? I guess I would really like to see Colby and Watson start this year and play really well. Nothing against Allen, but I am not sold on the guy yet. He did have a few good games, but it seems he should have played better. I think Buckwoldt, Watson and Allen are going to end up our starters. Hey, they played well late last season, maybe they are the answer. I think Fincher brings a lot to the table, but is he pushing Watson at MLB? Too many questions at LB!

06-10-2005, 05:58 PM	#20
tiggerpolice 500th Post Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: new orleans Posts: 584	I think Fincher brings a lot to the table, but is he pushing Watson at MLB? if he does beat out watson at MLB....watson gonna start at WLB..he is gonna start no matter what....it just depends how well fincher plays...thats gonna determen where.....