Rose Bowl/NFL in LA

yasoon · 06-08-2005, 11:04 AM

I didn't see it posted, so I thought I would share.

Heard yesterday on sports radio in Atl that the Rose Bowl has officially bowed out as a possibility for an NFL stadium. This leaves the Coliseum and a parking lot in Anaheim as the other options.

I'm not saying this rules out LA as a future home, but it seems that the more you hear, they're further from being NFL ready than it had been portrayed originally.

Also......to all the people who defended Benson(which I used to do at least a little bit)....Do his newest quotes not stick in your craw? He contradicts himself and sounds more and more like a greedy, dillusional car salesman. I still think the shot of us leaving is 50/50 just because Benson seems so all over the place. I just like to see his exit options get smaller.

To put the whole thing on the people of la is just cheap in my opinion. These are some of the most loyal fans in the NFL who root for a team that is consensus top 5 in historical and state economic futility. Having the ball put in their court by is a completely classless move by Tom.

nawlins · 06-08-2005, 11:13 AM

Something really needs to been done about the superdome. I've been to several different stadiums around the country and the dome is by far the worst one I've experienced.

All I can say for the dome is it's an extremely large buliding that's in a great city. It's not a fooball stadium. If you want to go to a rock concert, it's a great place. But not for football. Terrible sight lines.

Every time I go to a game in another city I feel cheated when I go back to the dome. Just a terrible stadium to watch fooball. Compared to other stadiums, it's like a 3rd world country!!

papz · 06-08-2005, 11:29 AM

I love going to Saints games because of the crowd and it's rowdy environment. But I'd have to agree with nawlins, compared to other NFL stadiums, we have a piece of crap. I honestly rather stay home and be able to see every play on TV. I've never sat on the 50 yard line, but endzone tickets suck. I can never see crap there. Even the TV's in the stadium are too small and the jumbo-tron is blurry as hell.

We do have to look at our situation and realize this city probably can't afford to build another stadium. It would be nice if we could get a retractable roof stadium somewhere, but that's just wishful thinking. I'd rather spend the money we'd consider into an new stadium and use it on renovating the Dome somehow while paying the Saints to keep them here. Wouldn't it be great if we had a billionaire owner would who like to contribute financial means to all this?

4saintspirit · 06-08-2005, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by papz

I love going to Saints games because of the crowd and it's rowdy environment. But I'd have to agree with nawlins, compared to other NFL stadiums, we have a piece of crap. I honestly rather stay home and be able to see every play on TV. I've never sat on the 50 yard line, but endzone tickets suck. I can never see crap there. Even the TV's in the stadium are too small and the jumbo-tron is blurry as hell.

We do have to look at our situation and realize this city probably can't afford to build another stadium. It would be nice if we could get a retractable roof stadium somewhere, but that's just wishful thinking. I'd rather spend the money we'd consider into an new stadium and use it on renovating the Dome somehow while paying the Saints to keep them here. Wouldn't it be great if we had a billionaire owner would who like to contribute financial means to all this?

Maybe I am just lucky but my experiences have been good -- I think sight lines are pretty good --- Granted I have season tickets but they are on about the 10 yard line and I have sat in the endzone once or twice -- I would like a new stadium over rennovations but don't think its the piece of crap everyone else seems to think it is. Also a new stadium would make it tremendously expensive to season tickets because all new stadiums are carrying that seat license crapola

ScottyRo · 06-08-2005, 11:50 AM

Ok, somebody who might know the answer to my question. Since you bring up sight line, what the heck is it?

I've never watched NFL football in another stadium so I don't know the difference. The games I've been to in the Dome didn't leave me feeling like I didn't see the field well unless I had particularly bad seats. I just don't understand how much different seat placement could be to affect sight lines.

Please explain.

yasoon · 06-08-2005, 12:18 PM

I don't think anyone is going to argue that the Dome is a top notch facility at this point. I've seen the Saints play in the Superdome, GA dome, in Carolina, and at Raymond James. My personal rankings would be 1) Carolina 2) Tampa 3) NO 4) Atl.

Carolina and Tampa's stadiums are both very nice. They are also outdoor stadiums, which should be manditory in this division. The Saints need a new stadium, no doubt. I'm with Tom on that, I just don't know how viable that is over the course of the next few years. I think the Dome could go another five with a plan for a new stadium on the horizon. The problem is....there's no money to build one. The idea of the stadium on the river with a retractable roof had me salivating. I was thinking about season tix and I live in Atl.

I would love to see a plan in place by 2010 for a new building. Hell, call it Benson Stadium for all I care. I could just do withtout the grandstanding. I wish we had an owner like Blank who makes very fan friendly moves and seems to know how to get the people on his side. He's offering to foot the entire bill for the GA dome renovation and he's the one who brought it up. I thought that would send a message to Benson....oh well.

WhoDat · 06-08-2005, 02:34 PM

Scotty - line of sight isn't necessarily the right term, but it has to do with the vantage point from which you see the game. Are you up in the stratosphere looking down at ants? In the corners of the stadium, can you still see the whole field (no in the Dome)? Etc.

I've been to a few stadiums and I think there is nothing wrong with the Dome. FYI guys, Benson isn't the least bit concerned with the seating in the nosebleed sections or the number of bathrooms. He is concerned with two things: suites and concessions (and maybe merchandise locations). What do all of those things have in common? Don't guess, I'll tell you. They all directly affect his bottom line. Benson just raised ticket prices by 20-25% (at the least expensive rates). You think he really cares how well the people in the top corners of the Dome can see the game? Does anyone here believe that Saints fans are declining to go to games b/c they don't like the Terrace level seating? Give me a break!

papz · 06-08-2005, 02:44 PM

When I go, I usually have tickets about 7 rows in behind the goal post. I have a hell of a time getting wasted and trash talking our opponents fans, but the view sucks and it's dark as hell. At least have a clear jumbo-tron so I can see what happens btw the 80 yards going the other way. Heck a 20 inch TV anywhere near that would be satisfactory to me.

I have been around the pressbox areas snooping around and I think those are the best seats in the stadium. Too bad I CAN'T AFFORD it!

nawlins · 06-08-2005, 04:48 PM

Beleive me guys, it doesn't matter where you sit, there is no comparison if you've ever been to a real football stadium. Not even the luxury suites can compare. I've sat basically everywhere in the dome. 50, 40, 30 yardline .. and the endzone. It's not that you can't see the game good from some of those vantage points, but they suck compared to other stadiums.

If you've never been to other stadiums, you might mistake the dome for a football stadium. But those that know better ... know better. I know better. Take my word for it.

4saintspirit · 06-08-2005, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by nawlins

Beleive me guys, it doesn't matter where you sit, there is no comparison if you've ever been to a real football stadium. Not even the luxury suites can compare. I've sat basically everywhere in the dome. 50, 40, 30 yardline .. and the endzone. It's not that you can't see the game good from some of those vantage points, but they suck compared to other stadiums.

If you've never been to other stadiums, you might mistake the dome for a football stadium. But those that know better ... know better. I know better. Take my word for it.

I have been to the new Redskins home -- and I think it maybe because of the open air stadiums -- they have a nicer feel to it -- but the view of the game itself was not as much of a difference besides that. ( I have been to the Atlanta stadium and belives it sucks -- I have been to the Panther's stadium and must admit its pretty nice

06-08-2005, 11:04 AM	#1
yasoon 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 594	Rose Bowl/NFL in LA I didn't see it posted, so I thought I would share. Heard yesterday on sports radio in Atl that the Rose Bowl has officially bowed out as a possibility for an NFL stadium. This leaves the Coliseum and a parking lot in Anaheim as the other options. I'm not saying this rules out LA as a future home, but it seems that the more you hear, they're further from being NFL ready than it had been portrayed originally. Also......to all the people who defended Benson(which I used to do at least a little bit)....Do his newest quotes not stick in your craw? He contradicts himself and sounds more and more like a greedy, dillusional car salesman. I still think the shot of us leaving is 50/50 just because Benson seems so all over the place. I just like to see his exit options get smaller. To put the whole thing on the people of la is just cheap in my opinion. These are some of the most loyal fans in the NFL who root for a team that is consensus top 5 in historical and state economic futility. Having the ball put in their court by is a completely classless move by Tom.
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06-08-2005, 11:47 AM	#4
4saintspirit 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 690	Originally Posted by papz I love going to Saints games because of the crowd and it's rowdy environment. But I'd have to agree with nawlins, compared to other NFL stadiums, we have a piece of crap. I honestly rather stay home and be able to see every play on TV. I've never sat on the 50 yard line, but endzone tickets suck. I can never see crap there. Even the TV's in the stadium are too small and the jumbo-tron is blurry as hell. We do have to look at our situation and realize this city probably can't afford to build another stadium. It would be nice if we could get a retractable roof stadium somewhere, but that's just wishful thinking. I'd rather spend the money we'd consider into an new stadium and use it on renovating the Dome somehow while paying the Saints to keep them here. Wouldn't it be great if we had a billionaire owner would who like to contribute financial means to all this? Maybe I am just lucky but my experiences have been good -- I think sight lines are pretty good --- Granted I have season tickets but they are on about the 10 yard line and I have sat in the endzone once or twice -- I would like a new stadium over rennovations but don't think its the piece of crap everyone else seems to think it is. Also a new stadium would make it tremendously expensive to season tickets because all new stadiums are carrying that seat license crapola
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06-08-2005, 12:18 PM	#6
yasoon 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 594	I don't think anyone is going to argue that the Dome is a top notch facility at this point. I've seen the Saints play in the Superdome, GA dome, in Carolina, and at Raymond James. My personal rankings would be 1) Carolina 2) Tampa 3) NO 4) Atl. Carolina and Tampa's stadiums are both very nice. They are also outdoor stadiums, which should be manditory in this division. The Saints need a new stadium, no doubt. I'm with Tom on that, I just don't know how viable that is over the course of the next few years. I think the Dome could go another five with a plan for a new stadium on the horizon. The problem is....there's no money to build one. The idea of the stadium on the river with a retractable roof had me salivating. I was thinking about season tix and I live in Atl. I would love to see a plan in place by 2010 for a new building. Hell, call it Benson Stadium for all I care. I could just do withtout the grandstanding. I wish we had an owner like Blank who makes very fan friendly moves and seems to know how to get the people on his side. He's offering to foot the entire bill for the GA dome renovation and he's the one who brought it up. I thought that would send a message to Benson....oh well.
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06-08-2005, 02:34 PM	#7
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Scotty - line of sight isn't necessarily the right term, but it has to do with the vantage point from which you see the game. Are you up in the stratosphere looking down at ants? In the corners of the stadium, can you still see the whole field (no in the Dome)? Etc. I've been to a few stadiums and I think there is nothing wrong with the Dome. FYI guys, Benson isn't the least bit concerned with the seating in the nosebleed sections or the number of bathrooms. He is concerned with two things: suites and concessions (and maybe merchandise locations). What do all of those things have in common? Don't guess, I'll tell you. They all directly affect his bottom line. Benson just raised ticket prices by 20-25% (at the least expensive rates). You think he really cares how well the people in the top corners of the Dome can see the game? Does anyone here believe that Saints fans are declining to go to games b/c they don't like the Terrace level seating? Give me a break!
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06-08-2005, 04:59 PM	#10
4saintspirit 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 690	Originally Posted by nawlins Beleive me guys, it doesn't matter where you sit, there is no comparison if you've ever been to a real football stadium. Not even the luxury suites can compare. I've sat basically everywhere in the dome. 50, 40, 30 yardline .. and the endzone. It's not that you can't see the game good from some of those vantage points, but they suck compared to other stadiums. If you've never been to other stadiums, you might mistake the dome for a football stadium. But those that know better ... know better. I know better. Take my word for it. I have been to the new Redskins home -- and I think it maybe because of the open air stadiums -- they have a nicer feel to it -- but the view of the game itself was not as much of a difference besides that. ( I have been to the Atlanta stadium and belives it sucks -- I have been to the Panther's stadium and must admit its pretty nice
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06-08-2005, 11:13 AM	#2
nawlins Rookie Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: New Oleans Posts: 10	Something really needs to been done about the superdome. I've been to several different stadiums around the country and the dome is by far the worst one I've experienced. All I can say for the dome is it's an extremely large buliding that's in a great city. It's not a fooball stadium. If you want to go to a rock concert, it's a great place. But not for football. Terrible sight lines. Every time I go to a game in another city I feel cheated when I go back to the dome. Just a terrible stadium to watch fooball. Compared to other stadiums, it's like a 3rd world country!!

06-08-2005, 11:29 AM	#3
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,744	I love going to Saints games because of the crowd and it's rowdy environment. But I'd have to agree with nawlins, compared to other NFL stadiums, we have a piece of crap. I honestly rather stay home and be able to see every play on TV. I've never sat on the 50 yard line, but endzone tickets suck. I can never see crap there. Even the TV's in the stadium are too small and the jumbo-tron is blurry as hell. We do have to look at our situation and realize this city probably can't afford to build another stadium. It would be nice if we could get a retractable roof stadium somewhere, but that's just wishful thinking. I'd rather spend the money we'd consider into an new stadium and use it on renovating the Dome somehow while paying the Saints to keep them here. Wouldn't it be great if we had a billionaire owner would who like to contribute financial means to all this?

06-08-2005, 11:50 AM	#5
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	Ok, somebody who might know the answer to my question. Since you bring up sight line, what the heck is it? I've never watched NFL football in another stadium so I don't know the difference. The games I've been to in the Dome didn't leave me feeling like I didn't see the field well unless I had particularly bad seats. I just don't understand how much different seat placement could be to affect sight lines. Please explain.

06-08-2005, 02:44 PM	#8
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,744	When I go, I usually have tickets about 7 rows in behind the goal post. I have a hell of a time getting wasted and trash talking our opponents fans, but the view sucks and it's dark as hell. At least have a clear jumbo-tron so I can see what happens btw the 80 yards going the other way. Heck a 20 inch TV anywhere near that would be satisfactory to me. I have been around the pressbox areas snooping around and I think those are the best seats in the stadium. Too bad I CAN'T AFFORD it!

06-08-2005, 04:48 PM	#9
nawlins Rookie Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: New Oleans Posts: 10	Beleive me guys, it doesn't matter where you sit, there is no comparison if you've ever been to a real football stadium. Not even the luxury suites can compare. I've sat basically everywhere in the dome. 50, 40, 30 yardline .. and the endzone. It's not that you can't see the game good from some of those vantage points, but they suck compared to other stadiums. If you've never been to other stadiums, you might mistake the dome for a football stadium. But those that know better ... know better. I know better. Take my word for it.