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WhoDat!656 01-15-2019 08:51 PM
Rams fans launch petition to remove referee from Saints-Rams
 
The New Orleans Saints and Los Angeles Rams will see a familiar face wearing the referee’s cap in the NFC championship game, and some fans won’t stand for it. A petition started by Rams fan Andrew Liptock on Change.org calls on league commissioner Roger Goodell to reconsider the assignment of NFL referee Bill Vinovich to this pivotal postseason game.

Liptock questions Vinovich’s competence and suggest the NFL could be designing a narrative to send Saints great Drew Brees out with a second Super Bowl ring. His argument is, well, fiery:

How is it possible that Bill Vinovich and crew have been assigned to the NFC Championship game? It’s no secret that the Rams strangely have a tough time when he is the head officiator, going 0-7 with him at the helm, with a handful of questionable calls in most games. In his time as head ref, he has never ONCE assessed the Rams’ opposition more penalty yards. This includes the most recent game between the two teams fighting for the Superbowl that occurred on November 4, 2018.

https://saintswire.usatoday.com/2019...m-saints-rams/

Saint in Aus 01-15-2019 09:06 PM
Re: Rams fans launch petition to remove referee from Saints-Rams
 
LOL

SmashMouth 01-15-2019 09:25 PM
Re: Rams fans launch petition to remove referee from Saints-Rams
 
https://media1.tenor.com/images/9a0b...itemid=7524571

saintfan 01-15-2019 10:19 PM
Re: Rams fans launch petition to remove referee from Saints-Rams
 
:banana:

jnormand 01-15-2019 10:20 PM
Re: Rams fans launch petition to remove referee from Saints-Rams
 
Pathetic. I'd be embarrassed if I was a goat fan.

foreverfan 01-15-2019 10:56 PM
Re: Rams fans launch petition to remove referee from Saints-Rams
 
Is that like the Los Angeles version of NFL political correctness?



PG-13 Picture worth looking at.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/09/d6...ab5dfdcb35.jpg

st thomas 01-15-2019 11:28 PM
Re: Rams fans launch petition to remove referee from Saints-Rams
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 (Post 834244)
The New Orleans Saints and Los Angeles Rams will see a familiar face wearing the referee’s cap in the NFC championship game, and some fans won’t stand for it. A petition started by Rams fan Andrew Liptock on Change.org calls on league commissioner Roger Goodell to reconsider the assignment of NFL referee Bill Vinovich to this pivotal postseason game.



Liptock questions Vinovich’s competence and suggest the NFL could be designing a narrative to send Saints great Drew Brees out with a second Super Bowl ring. His argument is, well, fiery:



How is it possible that Bill Vinovich and crew have been assigned to the NFC Championship game? It’s no secret that the Rams strangely have a tough time when he is the head officiator, going 0-7 with him at the helm, with a handful of questionable calls in most games. In his time as head ref, he has never ONCE assessed the Rams’ opposition more penalty yards. This includes the most recent game between the two teams fighting for the Superbowl that occurred on November 4, 2018.



https://saintswire.usatoday.com/2019...m-saints-rams/


Are u kidding me how is he going to get chargers fans to sign that; rams have no fans

A.8Manning 01-16-2019 01:41 AM
Re: Rams fans launch petition to remove referee from Saints-Rams
 
no such thing is happening. its all just silly sports gossip propaganda

A.8Manning 01-16-2019 01:43 AM
Re: Rams fans launch petition to remove referee from Saints-Rams
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by st thomas (Post 834274)
Are u kidding me how is he going to get chargers fans to sign that; rams have no fans
in truth, Rams have more fans nation wide then the Saints ever have or ever will. In the age of tv, it doesnt matter how many show up to a live game.

nola_swammi 01-16-2019 04:07 AM
Re: Rams fans launch petition to remove referee from Saints-Rams
 
If Goodell was all for us going to the super bowl, why did he send us those refs for philly? Their was a reason the saints broke the record for time of possession in 3rd quarter.

vpheughan 01-16-2019 06:20 AM
Re: Rams fans launch petition to remove referee from Saints-Rams
 
Those same Ref's missed a few pass interference calls that could have been easily called on the Saints.

TheOak 01-16-2019 06:24 AM
Re: Rams fans launch petition to remove referee from Saints-Rams
 
"Rams strangely have a tough time when he is the head officiator, going 0-7 with him at the helm"

Doesn't sound like the league is trying to engineer a Saints Superbowl, sounds like the league saying 'F**k the Rams" all season lol...

Hippies and their fu***ng petitions, already manufacturing an excuse for a Rams loss.

TheOak 01-16-2019 06:29 AM
Re: Rams fans launch petition to remove referee from Saints-Rams
 
Here are Bill Vinovich's statistics as a Ref.

Since 2014 he is 3-3 with the Saints

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...s/VinoBi0r.htm

SaintFanQ 01-16-2019 06:38 AM
Re: Rams fans launch petition to remove referee from Saints-Rams
 
What the Rams fans going to be asking for next, that any person wearing a black and gold shirt in the dome, must be replaced by a Rams fan in case it gets a little noisy for their offence??

PATHETIC and COMICAL!!! :-)

GEAUX SAINTS, WHO DAT!!!!!!

K Major 01-16-2019 07:46 AM
Re: Rams fans launch petition to remove referee from Saints-Rams
 
Just about ever fan base believes that the League is "against" them.

jeanpierre 01-16-2019 07:51 AM
Re: Rams fans launch petition to remove referee from Saints-Rams
 
Wow, Eagles fans said the same thing about the Divisional Round matchup and guess what? Officiating was waaaaay in Philly's favor...

From previous discussion...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 833902)
7. The refs were quite horrible and called a really uneven game.
Quote:
Originally Posted by cmike (Post 833904)
Only horrible call was the one against Unger.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 833918)
It wasn't just that phantom hold call against Unger, but there were many non-calls, e.g. twice against Bennett vs Brees that should've been flagged for roughing as Bennett was giving him the business...

And while even I'd argue that that's football, you had a much lighter transgression against Davenport vs Foles that was in fact flagged...

Crusader's point is that the game was called unevenly, and as much fandom as I have for my Saints, an objective mind with knowledge of the game could see it...

And then there's this factual statistical comparison:

Team: Penalties - Penalty Yards

Philadelphia: 4 - 30

New Orleans: 11-84

Even if you take away Peat's four flags that Brees-Thomas overcame, that's still 7-4 - that's how uneven the game was called...

And don't even get me started with flagrant hands to the face on nearly every single play by the Eagles defensive line...
So I don't want to hear any bullshinski about the officiating being in our favor - a better team and a home crowd is what we have going for us...

Goodell and his officials won't be doing us any favors...

WhoDat!656 01-16-2019 08:16 AM
Re: Rams fans launch petition to remove referee from Saints-Rams
 
What about the obvious OPI that wasn't called when the receiver fell down and pulled Lattimore down so that he wouldn't have a chance to intercept the ball?

ScottF 01-16-2019 08:23 AM
Re: Rams fans launch petition to remove referee from Saints-Rams
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by A.8Manning (Post 834291)
in truth, Rams have more fans nation wide then the Saints ever have or ever will. In the age of tv, it doesnt matter how many show up to a live game.
um... no

https://scholarblogs.emory.edu/esma/...rankings-2017/

https://www.directvdeals.com/resourc...fl-loyal-fans/

Budsdrinker 01-16-2019 08:36 AM
Re: Rams fans launch petition to remove referee from Saints-Rams
 
What they also don't realize is that for the playoffs it's an allstar crew and not the ref's regular crew. Vinovich will only have 2 of his regular guys with him for this game according to Vinovich and Blakeman are the referees for the Conference Championships – Football Zebras

K Major 01-16-2019 08:53 AM
Re: Rams fans launch petition to remove referee from Saints-Rams
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Budsdrinker (Post 834336)
What they also don't realize is that for the playoffs it's an allstar crew and not the ref's regular crew. Vinovich will only have 2 of his regular guys with him for this game according to Vinovich and Blakeman are the referees for the Conference Championships – Football Zebras
I bet the Boston faithful aren't too pleased about the Head Ref selection either.

Clete Blakeman and the Patriots don't mix.

ScottF 01-16-2019 09:09 AM
Re: Rams fans launch petition to remove referee from Saints-Rams
 
Sorry, but to think one officiating crew or an individual is biased against an NFL team is immature and narrow-minded. This isn't high school rec basketball or church league softball.

Last week someone posted that we were 7-0 with the PO game ref, and yet we had 11 penalties called. Meaningless.

SaintsBro 01-16-2019 12:36 PM
Re: Rams fans launch petition to remove referee from Saints-Rams
 
I have said this many times on here -- the league actually did a serious study on this topic many years ago, evaluating the referees and penalties over the course of a large number of NFL games. And what they found was that, if the referees THINK you are the better team, better athletes, better coaching, they will GIVE you all the calls you need. The referees aren't necessarily biased against one particular team, or the other, by city or by storyline -- like thinking there's a guy out there who always calls games against the Rams or in favor of the Cowboys, but for the most part it doesn't really work like that -- most officials seem to be implicitly biased in favor of who they think is the better team on the field, playing better football, right there in front of them. Perhaps it is even somewhat unconscious on their part.

Favorable spots for the ball, penalties, overlooking penalties on big plays, all of it....If the refs THINK your team is the better team, playing "better football," that day, they will GIVE YOU the calls. If they THINK you just made a really great play, they will nudge the ball forward for the spot, and signal first down. And if they think you are not as good, cheating, being overly violent, have a bad attitude, or are trying to get something over on them, then it is straight up "talk to the hand" all day, and they won't give you anything.

This is why you see stuff like the refs helping Peyton Manning up after he gets sacked, but they don't do it for the other team's quarterback in the same game. If the refs THINK you are the better team, they have that subtle bias.

In the case of the Eagles game Sunday, if you look at what happened, how the penalties in that game were called, it wasn't completely fair or even-handed. We all know that, but it actually MAKES SENSE in terms of what I'm saying about referee bias.

In the beginning, the Saints came out flat, uninspired, they looked sluggish and NOT VERY GOOD. The Eagles came out and were on fire. So the referees formed that impression, maybe it was even unconscious, but they see the game and they think to themselves: muh, Eagles good, Saints bad -- and it was reflected in the calls. By the very end of the game, the calls were getting a little bit more even, because that amazing third quarter drive for a score pretty much MADE the referees stand up and give the Saints respect. The best way to get more of those calls to go your way, is simply to play better football than the other team.

Rugby Saint II 01-16-2019 01:06 PM
Re: Rams fans launch petition to remove referee from Saints-Rams
 
:roflmao:

foreverfan 01-16-2019 01:32 PM
Re: Rams fans launch petition to remove referee from Saints-Rams
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SaintsBro (Post 834375)
I have said this many times on here -- the league actually did a serious study on this topic many years ago, evaluating the referees and penalties over the course of a large number of NFL games. And what they found was that, if the referees THINK you are the better team, better athletes, better coaching, they will GIVE you all the calls you need. The referees aren't necessarily biased against one particular team, or the other, by city or by storyline -- like thinking there's a guy out there who always calls games against the Rams or in favor of the Cowboys, but for the most part it doesn't really work like that -- most officials seem to be implicitly biased in favor of who they think is the better team on the field, playing better football, right there in front of them. Perhaps it is even somewhat unconscious on their part.

Favorable spots for the ball, penalties, overlooking penalties on big plays, all of it....If the refs THINK your team is the better team, playing "better football," that day, they will GIVE YOU the calls. If they THINK you just made a really great play, they will nudge the ball forward for the spot, and signal first down. And if they think you are not as good, cheating, being overly violent, have a bad attitude, or are trying to get something over on them, then it is straight up "talk to the hand" all day, and they won't give you anything.

This is why you see stuff like the refs helping Peyton Manning up after he gets sacked, but they don't do it for the other team's quarterback in the same game. If the refs THINK you are the better team, they have that subtle bias.

In the case of the Eagles game Sunday, if you look at what happened, how the penalties in that game were called, it wasn't completely fair or even-handed. We all know that, but it actually MAKES SENSE in terms of what I'm saying about referee bias.

In the beginning, the Saints came out flat, uninspired, they looked sluggish and NOT VERY GOOD. The Eagles came out and were on fire. So the referees formed that impression, maybe it was even unconscious, but they see the game and they think to themselves: muh, Eagles good, Saints bad -- and it was reflected in the calls. By the very end of the game, the calls were getting a little bit more even, because that amazing third quarter drive for a score pretty much MADE the referees stand up and give the Saints respect. The best way to get more of those calls to go your way, is simply to play better football than the other team.
You forgot that the league and advertisers make more money if a small market team isn't in the Superbowl. NO DOUBT we will have to beat the Refs AGAIN.

Good thing the game in in New Orleans or we would have no chance. :airguitar:

https://media1.giphy.com/media/l0HUo...225i/giphy.gif

A.8Manning 01-16-2019 03:31 PM
Re: Rams fans launch petition to remove referee from Saints-Rams
 
Forgive me ,sir, but those articles don't prove anything o said is wrong. Jersey sales and ticket sales have nothing to do with national popularity. Adult fans hardly buy any merchandise. The Rams fan base, like most of the teams who started before the Super bowl era, are t like 23 year old Seahawks fans.
The Saints are only currently having the most success they've ever had.once Brees is gone, they won't get it back. THE Rams were popular in the 40s,50s,60s,70s,80s and are on the way to being popular again.
But at least for this game, the Saints should win..but only to lose to Pats

A.8Manning 01-16-2019 03:37 PM
Re: Rams fans launch petition to remove referee from Saints-Rams
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottF (Post 834345)
Sorry, but to think one officiating crew or an individual is biased against an NFL team is immature and narrow-minded. This isn't high school rec basketball or church league softball.

Last week someone posted that we were 7-0 with the PO game ref, and yet we had 11 penalties called. Meaningless.
Lol all this means they know exactly what they are doing and know how to do it well. What's so hard about calling more penalties on the team you have get the win? It's incredibly easy.

A.8Manning 01-16-2019 03:41 PM
Re: Rams fans launch petition to remove referee from Saints-Rams
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SaintsBro (Post 834375)
I have said this many times on here -- the league actually did a serious study on this topic many years ago, evaluating the referees and penalties over the course of a large number of NFL games. And what they found was that, if the referees THINK you are the better team, better athletes, better coaching, they will GIVE you all the calls you need. The referees aren't necessarily biased against one particular team, or the other, by city or by storyline -- like thinking there's a guy out there who always calls games against the Rams or in favor of the Cowboys, but for the most part it doesn't really work like that -- most officials seem to be implicitly biased in favor of who they think is the better team on the field, playing better football, right there in front of them. Perhaps it is even somewhat unconscious on their part.

Favorable spots for the ball, penalties, overlooking penalties on big plays, all of it....If the refs THINK your team is the better team, playing "better football," that day, they will GIVE YOU the calls. If they THINK you just made a really great play, they will nudge the ball forward for the spot, and signal first down. And if they think you are not as good, cheating, being overly violent, have a bad attitude, or are trying to get something over on them, then it is straight up "talk to the hand" all day, and they won't give you anything.

This is why you see stuff like the refs helping Peyton Manning up after he gets sacked, but they don't do it for the other team's quarterback in the same game. If the refs THINK you are the better team, they have that subtle bias.

In the case of the Eagles game Sunday, if you look at what happened, how the penalties in that game were called, it wasn't completely fair or even-handed. We all know that, but it actually MAKES SENSE in terms of what I'm saying about referee bias.

In the beginning, the Saints came out flat, uninspired, they looked sluggish and NOT VERY GOOD. The Eagles came out and were on fire. So the referees formed that impression, maybe it was even unconscious, but they see the game and they think to themselves: muh, Eagles good, Saints bad -- and it was reflected in the calls. By the very end of the game, the calls were getting a little bit more even, because that amazing third quarter drive for a score pretty much MADE the referees stand up and give the Saints respect. The best way to get more of those calls to go your way, is simply to play better football than the other team.
. They aren't fixing games but they are fixing games..is basically what you are saying without realizing it.
Lol at the nfl did it's own study on itself.
No, the nfl is telling you what to think.
They are admitting they fix games and you cant read between the lines.

A.8Manning 01-16-2019 03:44 PM
Re: Rams fans launch petition to remove referee from Saints-Rams
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by foreverfan (Post 834382)
You forgot that the league and advertisers make more money if a small market team isn't in the Superbowl. NO DOUBT we will have to beat the Refs AGAIN.

Good thing the game in in New Orleans or we would have no chance. :airguitar:

https://media1.giphy.com/media/l0HUo...225i/giphy.gif
If the league decides who wins, it has nothing to do with beat the refs. The teams have no say.
Small market teams do make it, as long as the other team isn't one..or it has a star player..so Pats v Saints is a good option. Saints v Chiefs won't happen

NOLA54 01-16-2019 04:12 PM
Re: Rams fans launch petition to remove referee from Saints-Rams
 
NFL refs are like MLB umpires who do give the good pitchers the benefit of a strike when it was a ball. On the other hand perhaps the Rams are trying to build their case for loosing if they should lose.

AsylumGuido 01-16-2019 04:20 PM
Re: Rams fans launch petition to remove referee from Saints-Rams
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by A.8Manning (Post 834395)
Forgive me ,sir, but those articles don't prove anything o said is wrong. Jersey sales and ticket sales have nothing to do with national popularity. Adult fans hardly buy any merchandise. The Rams fan base, like most of the teams who started before the Super bowl era, are t like 23 year old Seahawks fans.
The Saints are only currently having the most success they've ever had.once Brees is gone, they won't get it back. THE Rams were popular in the 40s,50s,60s,70s,80s and are on the way to being popular again.
But at least for this game, the Saints should win..but only to lose to Pats
Last I looked I'm an adult (although I don't always act like one) and I have bought Saints gear for years. In fact, Saints fans tend to be older for the most part. We have been the longtime loyal sector. A newer younger generation has come about and are much appreciated.

The Rams' issue has been their moves from L.A. and then again from St. Louis. It splintered their fanbase. I know old L.A. Rams fans that stopped supporting the team when they moved away and then have only just now started to support them after their return.

homerj07 01-16-2019 04:38 PM
Re: Rams fans launch petition to remove referee from Saints-Rams
 
Screw them & the whore they rode in on...

ScottF 01-16-2019 06:42 PM
Re: Rams fans launch petition to remove referee from Saints-Rams
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by A.8Manning (Post 834395)
Forgive me ,sir, but those articles don't prove anything o said is wrong. Jersey sales and ticket sales have nothing to do with national popularity. Adult fans hardly buy any merchandise. The Rams fan base, like most of the teams who started before the Super bowl era, are t like 23 year old Seahawks fans.
The Saints are only currently having the most success they've ever had.once Brees is gone, they won't get it back. THE Rams were popular in the 40s,50s,60s,70s,80s and are on the way to being popular again.
But at least for this game, the Saints should win..but only to lose to Pats
First off, welcome back Will, or Teddybarexx.

Next, the Rams have been back for 2 years and don't come close to selling out their own building. Why in the world do you think they have a national following?
Second, why are Seattle fans 23? They've been around for 40 years and in 3 Super Bowls
Last, I saw about 75,000 fans wearing logo'd shirts, hats and everything else Sunday, and 90% of them were adults unless they changed the drinking age at the dome.

Utah_Saint 01-16-2019 07:11 PM
Re: Rams fans launch petition to remove referee from Saints-Rams
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by A.8Manning (Post 834291)
in truth, Rams have more fans nation wide then the Saints ever have or ever will. In the age of tv, it doesnt matter how many show up to a live game.
What? Where did you get that?

The Rams are one of the least popular teams in the NFL and have been for a couple decades now.

Just a quick google search...

https://247sports.com/nfl/dallas-cow...018-119381933/

https://ocean19.com/chicago-seo/popu...g-google-post/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...-league-teams/

https://247wallst.com/special-report...r-nfl-teams/2/

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/n...-for-top-spot/

A buncha different ways to measure popularity from Facebook fan pages and Google searches to ticket sales and prices and all of them show the same thing. The Rams are one of the least popular teams in the NFL.

A.8Manning 01-16-2019 07:11 PM
Re: Rams fans launch petition to remove referee from Saints-Rams
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottF (Post 834437)
First off, welcome back Will, or Teddybarexx.

Next, the Rams have been back for 2 years and don't come close to selling out their own building. Why in the world do you think they have a national following?
Second, why are Seattle fans 23? They've been around for 40 years and in 3 Super Bowls
Last, I saw about 75,000 fans wearing logo'd shirts, hats and everything else Sunday, and 90% of them were adults unless they changed the drinking age at the dome.
People in the stands aren't even one percent of all the people who watch football. Doesn't disprove me. Most of my adult friends like sports but don't get silly fan stuff.
I have never been to this site till I signed up..which means that many more people have similar view points that don't agree with yours.
No, jersey sales do not prove the numbers of a fan base. They only prove a trendy purchase. I own stuff from many teams.i like color and design and logo history.

A.8Manning 01-16-2019 07:23 PM
Re: Rams fans launch petition to remove referee from Saints-Rams
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Utah_Saint (Post 834441)
What? Where did you get that?

The Rams are one of the least popular teams in the NFL and have been for a couple decades now.

Just a quick google search...

https://247sports.com/nfl/dallas-cow...018-119381933/

https://ocean19.com/chicago-seo/popu...g-google-post/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...-league-teams/

https://247wallst.com/special-report...r-nfl-teams/2/

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/n...-for-top-spot/

A buncha different ways to measure popularity from Facebook fan pages and Google searches to ticket sales and prices and all of them show the same thing. The Rams are one of the least popular teams in the NFL.
No, these are just trendy surveys thst have nothing to do with national viewpoints or numbers over the history of the game. The Rams have been a successful franchise for basically their entire history except for the 90s and early 2000s,.they won a Super Bowl in the 90s and are obviously on the upswing again. The league wouldn't move them and keep them if it wasn't so.
The Saints are only trendy popular now, only now.
Who was more popular when the Saints were in the Rams division? Pretty obvious answer. Who won more? The Saints are the current trendy team. The Rams are the historic team that are obviously rising again. It's just how sports works

OldMaid 01-16-2019 09:33 PM
Re: Rams fans launch petition to remove referee from Saints-Rams
 
What is this about? Goodell is not for Saints.

Utah_Saint 01-17-2019 12:06 AM
Re: Rams fans launch petition to remove referee from Saints-Rams
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by A.8Manning (Post 834443)
No, these are just trendy surveys thst have nothing to do with national viewpoints or numbers over the history of the game. The Rams have been a successful franchise for basically their entire history except for the 90s and early 2000s,.they won a Super Bowl in the 90s and are obviously on the upswing again. The league wouldn't move them and keep them if it wasn't so.
The Saints are only trendy popular now, only now.
Who was more popular when the Saints were in the Rams division? Pretty obvious answer. Who won more? The Saints are the current trendy team. The Rams are the historic team that are obviously rising again. It's just how sports works
Again, where are you getting your information? Everything from jersey sales to internet traffic shows this just isn't true. It was certainly true 20+ years ago but it's just not true today.

When the Rams bailed out on LA, they lost the majority of their fans (I was there and saw it). When they Rams bailed out on St. Louis, they again, lost the majority of their fans.

Today, not 20 years ago, the Rams are one of the least popular teams in the league. To say the Rams have more fans than the Saints have ever had and ever will have isn't supported by anything.

AsylumGuido 01-17-2019 06:26 AM
Re: Rams fans launch petition to remove referee from Saints-Rams
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by A.8Manning (Post 834442)
People in the stands aren't even one percent of all the people who watch football. Doesn't disprove me. Most of my adult friends like sports but don't get silly fan stuff.
I have never been to this site till I signed up..which means that many more people have similar view points that don't agree with yours.
No, jersey sales do not prove the numbers of a fan base. They only prove a trendy purchase. I own stuff from many teams.i like color and design and logo history.
Most of your adult friends obviously are not fans of any specific team. Just like you obviously. Why is it that you buy "silly fan stuff" from teams other than the Saints, but then claim other "real" fans do not purchase fan gear?

You don't make sense.

AsylumGuido 01-17-2019 06:27 AM
Re: Rams fans launch petition to remove referee from Saints-Rams
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Utah_Saint (Post 834472)
Again, where are you getting your information? Everything from jersey sales to internet traffic shows this just isn't true. It was certainly true 20+ years ago but it's just not true today.

When the Rams bailed out on LA, they lost the majority of their fans (I was there and saw it). When they Rams bailed out on St. Louis, they again, lost the majority of their fans.

Today, not 20 years ago, the Rams are one of the least popular teams in the league. To say the Rams have more fans than the Saints have ever had and ever will have isn't supported by anything.
That's the same point I made earlier that was ignored.

TheOak 01-17-2019 07:16 AM
Re: Rams fans launch petition to remove referee from Saints-Rams
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by A.8Manning (Post 834443)
.......
So you dismiss everyone's quantified replies and provide zero quantification for your own claims. That is called self rationalization, not logic.

Rationalization - In psychology and logic, rationalization or rationalisation (also known as making excuses[1]) is a defense mechanism in which controversial behaviors or feelings are justified and explained in a seemingly rational or logical manner to avoid the true explanation, and are made consciously tolerable—or even admirable and superior—by plausible means.[2] It is also an informal fallacy of reasoning.[3]


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