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WhoDat · 06-21-2005, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by saintz08

Alright so hypothetically Amac is a changed man , earns the starting role and comes out firing . What is not taken into consideration in this scenario is the effect that his letting his prior teammates down is going to have. Amac starts throwing bad balls and 10 men in the huddle are going to wonder how much he bet on the game . Not to mention the local press .

I'm calling BS on this. Your argument against A-Mac is that his teammates might not trust him? Does AB still play on this team, just wondering?

If AB can throw for 3,800 yards and 25 TDs with this bunch, why can't a much more talented sandlot player with a cannon arm (and slightly more touch as well mind you) put up the same or better numbers?

Euphoria · 06-21-2005, 10:16 AM

it al remains to be seen...

mayoj · 06-21-2005, 10:21 AM

yeah, that's a stretch to say everyone is going to be suspicious of his every move, so he is a bad take.

I just don't understand why without anything dramatic going on, this guy can't make changes to his life and turn out ok. I'm not saying in these situations the odds are really high, but I would put a slight favor on his success over lack of, which would make a 5th round pick well worth while.

saintz08 · 06-21-2005, 11:43 AM

I'm calling BS on this. Your argument against A-Mac is that his teammates might not trust him? Does AB still play on this team, just wondering?

The point is that there is a huge difference between ineffective or stupid players and a player who has a gambling rap on him . There is more pressure on him then say the crackhead player .Certainly Jeff George has put up good numbers and Amac could have all the tools to play the position , but is the chemistry going to be there to lead the team or will Amac be just another talented head case ???

WhoDat · 06-21-2005, 12:30 PM

It's a fair question - I just think saying that every time he throws a bad pass the other 10 guys in the huddle are going to immediately wonder if he has money on the game is going a bit far, especially considering they're currently taking orders from Aaron "Fake love/Great QB on inconsistent team" Brooks.

mayoj · 06-21-2005, 12:46 PM

Better chance of someone making some poor decisions lie amac made and then turning that around than being a moron and all of a sudden reaching enlightenment. IF amac works hard and produces, his team will listen. No one really listens to the moron telling them what to do.

Euphoria · 06-21-2005, 02:10 PM

Who are you calling a moron... I hope its not Brooks perhaps the best QB to ever wear a Saints uniform. How many 3,000 yard seasons???

WhoDat · 06-21-2005, 03:27 PM

Who are you calling a moron... I hope its not Brooks perhaps the best QB to ever wear a Saints uniform. How many 3,000 yard seasons???

BnB is gonna love the way this thread develops.

One question Euph - what does throwing for 3,000 yards have to do with intelligence?

mayoj · 06-22-2005, 12:08 AM

Who are you calling a moron... I hope its not Brooks perhaps the best QB to ever wear a Saints uniform. How many 3,000 yard seasons???

Euph, I was replying to this post:

Originally Posted by saintz08

I'm calling BS on this. Your argument against A-Mac is that his teammates might not trust him? Does AB still play on this team, just wondering?

The point is that there is a huge difference between ineffective or stupid players and a player who has a gambling rap on him . There is more pressure on him then say the crackhead player .Certainly Jeff George has put up good numbers and Amac could have all the tools to play the position , but is the chemistry going to be there to lead the team or will Amac be just another talented head case ???

So, basically my point had no reference to any specific qb, but if it did, it would have to be Jeff George bc that is the example 08 used.

On the subject of AB, I do think he may be the best QB we have ever had (no worse than second best) but that isn't saying much and that has nothing to do with his intelligence. In fact, yes, I do think he has less than avg intelligence even for the NFL. Obviously, you do to bc you immediately defended him. I still think he is a pretty good QB right now, and I think he will step it up this year and produce. At the end of the season though, he will still be less than intelligent. I wouldn't say moron though, unless I see some of the same mistakes as last year, then I will use the term moron and AB in the same sentence, rightfully so.

Plus, 3000 yards in a season is right at the league avg each of the last three years. So making a point by saying he had over 3000 yards in each of the last three seasons, is just like saying he was somewhere above avg the last three seasons. Give the guy more credit than that. He is the best qb we've ever had.

saintz08 · 06-22-2005, 12:43 AM

So, basically my point had no reference to any specific qb, but if it did, it would have to be Jeff George bc that is the example 08 used.

There is a good trivia question :

Who placed higher on the Wonderlic test , Brooks or George ???

How many 1000 yard backs have the Saints had to take the pressure off the quarterback ??? And what were those numbers in those seasons and how did they relate to the rest of the league ???

If we are going to boast numbers let's level the playing field ....

06-21-2005, 10:01 AM	#21
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Originally Posted by saintz08 Alright so hypothetically Amac is a changed man , earns the starting role and comes out firing . What is not taken into consideration in this scenario is the effect that his letting his prior teammates down is going to have. Amac starts throwing bad balls and 10 men in the huddle are going to wonder how much he bet on the game . Not to mention the local press . I'm calling BS on this. Your argument against A-Mac is that his teammates might not trust him? Does AB still play on this team, just wondering? If AB can throw for 3,800 yards and 25 TDs with this bunch, why can't a much more talented sandlot player with a cannon arm (and slightly more touch as well mind you) put up the same or better numbers?
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06-21-2005, 11:43 AM	#24
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	I'm calling BS on this. Your argument against A-Mac is that his teammates might not trust him? Does AB still play on this team, just wondering? The point is that there is a huge difference between ineffective or stupid players and a player who has a gambling rap on him . There is more pressure on him then say the crackhead player .Certainly Jeff George has put up good numbers and Amac could have all the tools to play the position , but is the chemistry going to be there to lead the team or will Amac be just another talented head case ???
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06-21-2005, 12:30 PM	#25
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	It's a fair question - I just think saying that every time he throws a bad pass the other 10 guys in the huddle are going to immediately wonder if he has money on the game is going a bit far, especially considering they're currently taking orders from Aaron "Fake love/Great QB on inconsistent team" Brooks.
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WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Who are you calling a moron... I hope its not Brooks perhaps the best QB to ever wear a Saints uniform. How many 3,000 yard seasons??? BnB is gonna love the way this thread develops. One question Euph - what does throwing for 3,000 yards have to do with intelligence?
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06-22-2005, 12:08 AM	#29
mayoj 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Charleston, SC Posts: 109	Who are you calling a moron... I hope its not Brooks perhaps the best QB to ever wear a Saints uniform. How many 3,000 yard seasons??? Euph, I was replying to this post: Originally Posted by saintz08 I'm calling BS on this. Your argument against A-Mac is that his teammates might not trust him? Does AB still play on this team, just wondering? The point is that there is a huge difference between ineffective or stupid players and a player who has a gambling rap on him . There is more pressure on him then say the crackhead player .Certainly Jeff George has put up good numbers and Amac could have all the tools to play the position , but is the chemistry going to be there to lead the team or will Amac be just another talented head case ??? So, basically my point had no reference to any specific qb, but if it did, it would have to be Jeff George bc that is the example 08 used. On the subject of AB, I do think he may be the best QB we have ever had (no worse than second best) but that isn't saying much and that has nothing to do with his intelligence. In fact, yes, I do think he has less than avg intelligence even for the NFL. Obviously, you do to bc you immediately defended him. I still think he is a pretty good QB right now, and I think he will step it up this year and produce. At the end of the season though, he will still be less than intelligent. I wouldn't say moron though, unless I see some of the same mistakes as last year, then I will use the term moron and AB in the same sentence, rightfully so. Plus, 3000 yards in a season is right at the league avg each of the last three years. So making a point by saying he had over 3000 yards in each of the last three seasons, is just like saying he was somewhere above avg the last three seasons. Give the guy more credit than that. He is the best qb we've ever had.

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mayoj 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Charleston, SC Posts: 109	yeah, that's a stretch to say everyone is going to be suspicious of his every move, so he is a bad take. I just don't understand why without anything dramatic going on, this guy can't make changes to his life and turn out ok. I'm not saying in these situations the odds are really high, but I would put a slight favor on his success over lack of, which would make a 5th round pick well worth while.

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mayoj 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Charleston, SC Posts: 109	Better chance of someone making some poor decisions lie amac made and then turning that around than being a moron and all of a sudden reaching enlightenment. IF amac works hard and produces, his team will listen. No one really listens to the moron telling them what to do.

06-21-2005, 02:10 PM	#27
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Who are you calling a moron... I hope its not Brooks perhaps the best QB to ever wear a Saints uniform. How many 3,000 yard seasons???

06-22-2005, 12:43 AM	#30
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	So, basically my point had no reference to any specific qb, but if it did, it would have to be Jeff George bc that is the example 08 used. There is a good trivia question : Who placed higher on the Wonderlic test , Brooks or George ??? How many 1000 yard backs have the Saints had to take the pressure off the quarterback ??? And what were those numbers in those seasons and how did they relate to the rest of the league ??? If we are going to boast numbers let's level the playing field ....
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