An owner paying for his own new stadium? Brilliant.

Euphoria · 06-15-2005, 10:52 AM

Yeah but if you had a Zillion-bazillion-familion-quazillion dollars you can put a billion into something and make them a winner and still have Zillion-bazillion-familion-quazillion dollars.

saintswhodi · 06-15-2005, 10:56 AM

Good question papz. But you can look at it one of two ways IMO. Are you winning and losing money, and thus asking the state to assist you in maintaining your winning ways, or are you losing, refusing to pony up the most you could to win, and asking the state to help you maintain the status quo? If I was owner of a winning organization that was losing money cause of my location, yes I would, and I would be willing to bet the state would give that help. But if I am part of an annually mediocre or losing franchise, and there have been times I have left at least 11 mil of FA money on the table cause it went straight into my pocket, hell no I would not feel right about asking the state to help me maintain this mediocre standard I am setting. IMO, if you own a team, it is your responsibility to do whatever possible to make that team prosperous, like a Jerry Jones, like a Steinbrenner, Epstein, the guy that owns the Texans. Anyone think Jerry Jones was losing money when his team went 1-15? That didn't stop him from paying for Jimmy Johnson, and paying to bring in players to help the team. Next year 7-9. Think that stopped him? Hell no, he kept right on spending. Next year Superbowl, and now one of the most popular franchises in all of sports. Anyone wonder why he was always so hands on? He built the team. The city of Arlington put forth a vote to build a new stadium for this franchsie with a rich history with their own tax money, and it passed overwhelmingly. Cause they know Jerry is committed to building a winner again. Does anyone see that here? It seems to be getting better, but most fans are at the point of show me the goods, not tell me the goods are there and then deliver less.

papz · 06-15-2005, 11:06 AM

Unfortunately, I don't think Benson see's it that way.

It's hard to teach an old dog new tricks... which I think is the case here.

Maybe when his grand daughter inherits the team, the Saints will still be here and we'll see some changes. I honestly don't have a problem with Benson asking for some money though... but it would be great if he wouldn't be so greedy and share some cost. It could only benefit both sides.

Euphoria · 06-15-2005, 11:47 AM

Credit the cowboys for buildint thru the draft though... not high priced FA's. God I remember the days of ol' when we only hoped and prayed for mediocrecy...

saintswhodi · 06-15-2005, 12:17 PM

All the credit in the world to the Boys for building in the draft. But they didn't stand pat. They went out and paid for guys like Charles Haley and Deion to get back to the championship.

Euphoria · 06-15-2005, 01:35 PM

I don't think its hardly worth the debate involving the Cowboys and whay they have done. I do find it amusing that affraid of losing the Saints Benson stepped up and promised to never move the Saints as long as he owns them. Many upset with what is wrong or going wrong with the team but I recall being 7-9 and elated... lol. Now we seem to hit 8-8 at will and upset.

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saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Good question papz. But you can look at it one of two ways IMO. Are you winning and losing money, and thus asking the state to assist you in maintaining your winning ways, or are you losing, refusing to pony up the most you could to win, and asking the state to help you maintain the status quo? If I was owner of a winning organization that was losing money cause of my location, yes I would, and I would be willing to bet the state would give that help. But if I am part of an annually mediocre or losing franchise, and there have been times I have left at least 11 mil of FA money on the table cause it went straight into my pocket, hell no I would not feel right about asking the state to help me maintain this mediocre standard I am setting. IMO, if you own a team, it is your responsibility to do whatever possible to make that team prosperous, like a Jerry Jones, like a Steinbrenner, Epstein, the guy that owns the Texans. Anyone think Jerry Jones was losing money when his team went 1-15? That didn't stop him from paying for Jimmy Johnson, and paying to bring in players to help the team. Next year 7-9. Think that stopped him? Hell no, he kept right on spending. Next year Superbowl, and now one of the most popular franchises in all of sports. Anyone wonder why he was always so hands on? He built the team. The city of Arlington put forth a vote to build a new stadium for this franchsie with a rich history with their own tax money, and it passed overwhelmingly. Cause they know Jerry is committed to building a winner again. Does anyone see that here? It seems to be getting better, but most fans are at the point of show me the goods, not tell me the goods are there and then deliver less.

06-15-2005, 11:06 AM	#13
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,744	Unfortunately, I don't think Benson see's it that way. It's hard to teach an old dog new tricks... which I think is the case here. Maybe when his grand daughter inherits the team, the Saints will still be here and we'll see some changes. I honestly don't have a problem with Benson asking for some money though... but it would be great if he wouldn't be so greedy and share some cost. It could only benefit both sides.

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Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Credit the cowboys for buildint thru the draft though... not high priced FA's. God I remember the days of ol' when we only hoped and prayed for mediocrecy...

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saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	All the credit in the world to the Boys for building in the draft. But they didn't stand pat. They went out and paid for guys like Charles Haley and Deion to get back to the championship.

06-15-2005, 01:35 PM	#16
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	I don't think its hardly worth the debate involving the Cowboys and whay they have done. I do find it amusing that affraid of losing the Saints Benson stepped up and promised to never move the Saints as long as he owns them. Many upset with what is wrong or going wrong with the team but I recall being 7-9 and elated... lol. Now we seem to hit 8-8 at will and upset.