Greedy Williams

Rsanders24 · 04-20-2019, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

No way would I draft him if he fell all the way to round 5. He abandoned his college team what makes you think he won’t pull a Levon bell in a contract season? He’s about greedy. It’s all in his name.

Unfortunately with the BCS Playoffs only having 4 slots this will be the new trend for most players who are told they are a first round pick and not playing in one of those games. He was widely believed to be a top 15 pick and still could be. I wasn’t to pleased that he skipped out on his team for the bowl game but I understand why at the same time. He at least fought to the end of the last game of the regular season. For some of these guys they are thinking of their families and trying to set themselves up to take care of kids and parents. I would have to think about it myself if we are talking millions.

rezburna · 04-20-2019, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

No way would I draft him if he fell all the way to round 5. He abandoned his college team what makes you think he won’t pull a Levon bell in a contract season? He’s about greedy. It’s all in his name.

Greedy Williams is the Marshon Lattimore of this draft. 6’2” with 4.3 speed and fluid hips. He can actually come in and play a wider variety of coverages than Lattimore did. Marshon was strictly a man to man guy, but Greedy can do it all. This is why I asked for what reason would he fall? The guy is an instant starter at the next level, and I wouldn’t play in a meaningless bowl game either when I’m trying to go to the next level. None of these fans are going to cover his loss of finance if he was to suffer a serious injury. All the “prayers for Greedy” in the world won’t make up for that.

Rsanders24 · 04-21-2019, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Greedy Williams is the Marshon Lattimore of this draft. 6’2” with 4.3 speed and fluid hips. He can actually come in and play a wider variety of coverages than Lattimore did. Marshon was strictly a man to man guy, but Greedy can do it all. This is why I asked for what reason would he fall? The guy is an instant starter at the next level, and I wouldn’t play in a meaningless bowl game either when I’m trying to go to the next level. None of these fans are going to cover his loss of finance if he was to suffer a serious injury. All the “prayers for Greedy” in the world won’t make up for that.

I agree with you 100%. I also have been trying to research to see why several mock drafts have him falling into the second round. The only think that I’ve found is that some are saying that he is unwilling to stick his head in run support. I personally don’t think that he will fall out of the first round but hence the reason I asked is because while I defense was better the pass defense was still among the worst in the league.

voodooido · 04-21-2019, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Greedy Williams is the Marshon Lattimore of this draft. 6’2” with 4.3 speed and fluid hips. He can actually come in and play a wider variety of coverages than Lattimore did. Marshon was strictly a man to man guy, but Greedy can do it all. This is why I asked for what reason would he fall? The guy is an instant starter at the next level, and I wouldn’t play in a meaningless bowl game either when I’m trying to go to the next level. None of these fans are going to cover his loss of finance if he was to suffer a serious injury. All the “prayers for Greedy” in the world won’t make up for that.

How many players better than greedy played in “meaningless “ games to support their team and the fans/college that supported them? Your point is invalid. It’s about the heart and dedication not about the money. When you get old and look back at your life are you enjoying memories or saying “boy I sure did make a lot of money”?

Rsanders24 · 04-21-2019, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

How many players better than greedy played in “meaningless “ games to support their team and the fans/college that supported them? Your point is invalid. It’s about the heart and dedication not about the money. When you get old and look back at your life are you enjoying memories or saying “boy I sure did make a lot of money”?

Fact of the matter is this is the new trend and this was really brought on by the changes to the BCS Bowl games. And regarding your comment that is not about the money is silly. If it wasn’t the NFL wouldn’t be a multi-billion dollar industry. It’s a major part of it especially for a young player that grew up with nothing. The same could be said for many players in the NFL that jump to a team that is in worse standing just for more money. Skill players are prone to take the biggest fall if they get hurt.

rezburna · 04-21-2019, 09:20 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

How many players better than greedy played in “meaningless “ games to support their team and the fans/college that supported them? Your point is invalid. It’s about the heart and dedication not about the money. When you get old and look back at your life are you enjoying memories or saying “boy I sure did make a lot of money”?

If I’m Greedy Williams I’m thinking back on the wonderful times I had getting drafted and being in the NFL. I’m also cherishing the fact I was able to change the lives of my family by the wealth I accrued while playing football. I’m not dwelling on a meaningless bowl game that only exists as a cash grab for television networks and the universities. I suppose it’s okay for them to exploit the athletes and make money though.

saintfan · 04-21-2019, 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

How many players better than greedy played in “meaningless “ games to support their team and the fans/college that supported them? Your point is invalid. It’s about the heart and dedication not about the money. When you get old and look back at your life are you enjoying memories or saying “boy I sure did make a lot of money”?

I don't know if I were in his cleats if I would play or not, but I'm 100% not going to hold it against him for protecting his career. It IS about the money. I think it's disingenuous to say that it isn't, and there's not a single thing wrong about that.

Hey, it's a fine line, particularly from a fan perspective. I get it. But there is more money at stake than most people will see in a lifetime.

K Major · 04-22-2019, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by voodooido

How many players better than greedy played in “meaningless “ games to support their team and the fans/college that supported them? Your point is invalid. It’s about the heart and dedication not about the money. When you get old and look back at your life are you enjoying memories or saying “boy I sure did make a lot of money”?

Will Grier (QB) ... Saints have shown a TON in interest @ Pro Day, personal visit, workout etc. A QB of all positions, skipped out on his Bowl game to prepare for the draft. Should we lump this kid into the "lack heart & dedication aspect" as well?

Circle back 2017 draft ... Chubb, Denzell Ward, Jaire Alexander, Derwin James, Josh Rosens etc all "sat out" of their teams bowl game. Don't think any NFL team is questioning their "desire" at the elite level. Bowl games can still matter (Jake Butt & Jaylon Smith tore ACL's in bowl games) for some and not for others.

As long as there’s millions of dollars worth of guaranteed money for top NFL prospects and a bloated bowl schedule, players skipping bowl games isn’t fading.

voodooido · 04-22-2019, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Will Grier (QB) ... Saints have shown a TON in interest @ Pro Day, personal visit, workout etc. A QB of all positions, skipped out on his Bowl game to prepare for the draft. Should we lump this kid into the "lack heart & dedication aspect" as well?

Circle back 2017 draft ... Chubb, Denzell Ward, Jaire Alexander, Derwin James, Josh Rosens etc all "sat out" of their teams bowl game. Don't think any NFL team is questioning their "desire" at the elite level. Bowl games can still matter (Jake Butt & Jaylon Smith tore ACL's in bowl games) for some and not for others.

As long as there’s millions of dollars worth of guaranteed money for top NFL prospects and a bloated bowl schedule, players skipping bowl games isn’t fading.

Yes we should. I don’t care who you are if you show a lack of dedication to the ones who helped you achieve your dreams then I would take you off the board completely. Let’s not forget greedy was a 3* coming out of HS and it was LSU who took a chance on him. Maybe it’s the old man in me but I want to see heart not the love for money

neugey · 04-20-2019, 08:57 PM

I just never like to see us trade up and trade out of future picks. But if I need to eat crow as I did with Kamara then I do have extra BBQ sauce on hand.

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04-20-2019, 05:48 PM	#1
Rsanders24 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Baton Rouge, LA. Posts: 1,482	Re: Greedy Williams Originally Posted by voodooido No way would I draft him if he fell all the way to round 5. He abandoned his college team what makes you think he won’t pull a Levon bell in a contract season? He’s about greedy. It’s all in his name. Unfortunately with the BCS Playoffs only having 4 slots this will be the new trend for most players who are told they are a first round pick and not playing in one of those games. He was widely believed to be a top 15 pick and still could be. I wasn’t to pleased that he skipped out on his team for the bowl game but I understand why at the same time. He at least fought to the end of the last game of the regular season. For some of these guys they are thinking of their families and trying to set themselves up to take care of kids and parents. I would have to think about it myself if we are talking millions.

04-20-2019, 07:46 PM	#2
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,999	Re: Greedy Williams Originally Posted by voodooido No way would I draft him if he fell all the way to round 5. He abandoned his college team what makes you think he won’t pull a Levon bell in a contract season? He’s about greedy. It’s all in his name. Greedy Williams is the Marshon Lattimore of this draft. 6’2” with 4.3 speed and fluid hips. He can actually come in and play a wider variety of coverages than Lattimore did. Marshon was strictly a man to man guy, but Greedy can do it all. This is why I asked for what reason would he fall? The guy is an instant starter at the next level, and I wouldn’t play in a meaningless bowl game either when I’m trying to go to the next level. None of these fans are going to cover his loss of finance if he was to suffer a serious injury. All the “prayers for Greedy” in the world won’t make up for that. Rsanders24, papz, SmashMouth and 1 others like this.
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04-21-2019, 10:02 AM	#3
Rsanders24 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Baton Rouge, LA. Posts: 1,482	Re: Greedy Williams Originally Posted by rezburna Greedy Williams is the Marshon Lattimore of this draft. 6’2” with 4.3 speed and fluid hips. He can actually come in and play a wider variety of coverages than Lattimore did. Marshon was strictly a man to man guy, but Greedy can do it all. This is why I asked for what reason would he fall? The guy is an instant starter at the next level, and I wouldn’t play in a meaningless bowl game either when I’m trying to go to the next level. None of these fans are going to cover his loss of finance if he was to suffer a serious injury. All the “prayers for Greedy” in the world won’t make up for that. I agree with you 100%. I also have been trying to research to see why several mock drafts have him falling into the second round. The only think that I’ve found is that some are saying that he is unwilling to stick his head in run support. I personally don’t think that he will fall out of the first round but hence the reason I asked is because while I defense was better the pass defense was still among the worst in the league.

04-21-2019, 05:57 PM	#4
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,819	Re: Greedy Williams Originally Posted by rezburna Greedy Williams is the Marshon Lattimore of this draft. 6’2” with 4.3 speed and fluid hips. He can actually come in and play a wider variety of coverages than Lattimore did. Marshon was strictly a man to man guy, but Greedy can do it all. This is why I asked for what reason would he fall? The guy is an instant starter at the next level, and I wouldn’t play in a meaningless bowl game either when I’m trying to go to the next level. None of these fans are going to cover his loss of finance if he was to suffer a serious injury. All the “prayers for Greedy” in the world won’t make up for that. How many players better than greedy played in “meaningless “ games to support their team and the fans/college that supported them? Your point is invalid. It’s about the heart and dedication not about the money. When you get old and look back at your life are you enjoying memories or saying “boy I sure did make a lot of money”?
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04-21-2019, 07:49 PM	#5
Rsanders24 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Baton Rouge, LA. Posts: 1,482	Re: Greedy Williams Originally Posted by voodooido How many players better than greedy played in “meaningless “ games to support their team and the fans/college that supported them? Your point is invalid. It’s about the heart and dedication not about the money. When you get old and look back at your life are you enjoying memories or saying “boy I sure did make a lot of money”? Fact of the matter is this is the new trend and this was really brought on by the changes to the BCS Bowl games. And regarding your comment that is not about the money is silly. If it wasn’t the NFL wouldn’t be a multi-billion dollar industry. It’s a major part of it especially for a young player that grew up with nothing. The same could be said for many players in the NFL that jump to a team that is in worse standing just for more money. Skill players are prone to take the biggest fall if they get hurt. papz, K Major and rezburna like this.

04-21-2019, 09:20 PM	#6
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,999	Re: Greedy Williams Originally Posted by voodooido How many players better than greedy played in “meaningless “ games to support their team and the fans/college that supported them? Your point is invalid. It’s about the heart and dedication not about the money. When you get old and look back at your life are you enjoying memories or saying “boy I sure did make a lot of money”? If I’m Greedy Williams I’m thinking back on the wonderful times I had getting drafted and being in the NFL. I’m also cherishing the fact I was able to change the lives of my family by the wealth I accrued while playing football. I’m not dwelling on a meaningless bowl game that only exists as a cash grab for television networks and the universities. I suppose it’s okay for them to exploit the athletes and make money though. saintfan, nola_swammi, Rsanders24 and 3 others like this.

04-21-2019, 10:36 PM	#7
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Greedy Williams Originally Posted by voodooido How many players better than greedy played in “meaningless “ games to support their team and the fans/college that supported them? Your point is invalid. It’s about the heart and dedication not about the money. When you get old and look back at your life are you enjoying memories or saying “boy I sure did make a lot of money”? I don't know if I were in his cleats if I would play or not, but I'm 100% not going to hold it against him for protecting his career. It IS about the money. I think it's disingenuous to say that it isn't, and there's not a single thing wrong about that. Hey, it's a fine line, particularly from a fan perspective. I get it. But there is more money at stake than most people will see in a lifetime. Rsanders24, papz, AsylumGuido and 1 others like this.

04-22-2019, 09:48 AM	#8
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,738 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Greedy Williams Originally Posted by voodooido How many players better than greedy played in “meaningless “ games to support their team and the fans/college that supported them? Your point is invalid. It’s about the heart and dedication not about the money. When you get old and look back at your life are you enjoying memories or saying “boy I sure did make a lot of money”? Will Grier (QB) ... Saints have shown a TON in interest @ Pro Day, personal visit, workout etc. A QB of all positions, skipped out on his Bowl game to prepare for the draft. Should we lump this kid into the "lack heart & dedication aspect" as well? Circle back 2017 draft ... Chubb, Denzell Ward, Jaire Alexander, Derwin James, Josh Rosens etc all "sat out" of their teams bowl game. Don't think any NFL team is questioning their "desire" at the elite level. Bowl games can still matter (Jake Butt & Jaylon Smith tore ACL's in bowl games) for some and not for others. As long as there’s millions of dollars worth of guaranteed money for top NFL prospects and a bloated bowl schedule, players skipping bowl games isn’t fading. Rsanders24, Crusader and rezburna like this.

04-22-2019, 10:11 AM	#9
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,819	Re: Greedy Williams Originally Posted by K Major Will Grier (QB) ... Saints have shown a TON in interest @ Pro Day, personal visit, workout etc. A QB of all positions, skipped out on his Bowl game to prepare for the draft. Should we lump this kid into the "lack heart & dedication aspect" as well? Circle back 2017 draft ... Chubb, Denzell Ward, Jaire Alexander, Derwin James, Josh Rosens etc all "sat out" of their teams bowl game. Don't think any NFL team is questioning their "desire" at the elite level. Bowl games can still matter (Jake Butt & Jaylon Smith tore ACL's in bowl games) for some and not for others. As long as there’s millions of dollars worth of guaranteed money for top NFL prospects and a bloated bowl schedule, players skipping bowl games isn’t fading. Yes we should. I don’t care who you are if you show a lack of dedication to the ones who helped you achieve your dreams then I would take you off the board completely. Let’s not forget greedy was a 3* coming out of HS and it was LSU who took a chance on him. Maybe it’s the old man in me but I want to see heart not the love for money
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04-20-2019, 08:57 PM	#10
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,819 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Greedy Williams I just never like to see us trade up and trade out of future picks. But if I need to eat crow as I did with Kamara then I do have extra BBQ sauce on hand.

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