Greedy Williams
 

Let me start out by saying that I’m not an LSU Homer. Now that’s out of the way, if Greedy Williams falls out of the first round would you be opposed to trading up in the 2nd round to pick him? I think that he would definitely be an improvement to our secondary especially with is ability to play man coverage with great size and speed. I think he only falls out of the first because their will be a run on OL and DL once the top of the draft is complete.

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Why would he fall?

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Trade up with what? Did someone unearth a few extra picks we accidentally left under the couch cushion?

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Greedy isn't falling out of the 1st round.

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We all know that we have no issues with trading future picks. I’m not sure that he makes it out the first round either but if she does is it worth trading up maybe using a 3 from next year. I’ve read some stories and looked at some mock drafts that have him going in the second round.

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Taking a CB at 62 wouldn’t shock me, but trading up for one certainly would. We would have to trade away our 2020 2nd round pick to move up.

You can never have too many CB’s, but we already have 5 locks to make the roster (Latt, Apple, Robinson, PJ Williams and Hardee.) A late round pick to compete with Crawley should suffice.

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No way would I draft him if he fell all the way to round 5. He abandoned his college team what makes you think he won’t pull a Levon bell in a contract season? He’s about greedy. It’s all in his name.

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I agree with you, sir. That turned me off and he played slightly above average at lsu but not spectacular.

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Unfortunately with the BCS Playoffs only having 4 slots this will be the new trend for most players who are told they are a first round pick and not playing in one of those games. He was widely believed to be a top 15 pick and still could be. I wasn’t to pleased that he skipped out on his team for the bowl game but I understand why at the same time. He at least fought to the end of the last game of the regular season. For some of these guys they are thinking of their families and trying to set themselves up to take care of kids and parents. I would have to think about it myself if we are talking millions.

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Greedy Williams is the Marshon Lattimore of this draft. 6’2” with 4.3 speed and fluid hips. He can actually come in and play a wider variety of coverages than Lattimore did. Marshon was strictly a man to man guy, but Greedy can do it all. This is why I asked for what reason would he fall? The guy is an instant starter at the next level, and I wouldn’t play in a meaningless bowl game either when I’m trying to go to the next level. None of these fans are going to cover his loss of finance if he was to suffer a serious injury. All the “prayers for Greedy” in the world won’t make up for that.

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I just never like to see us trade up and trade out of future picks. But if I need to eat crow as I did with Kamara then I do have extra BBQ sauce on hand.

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I agree with you 100%. I also have been trying to research to see why several mock drafts have him falling into the second round. The only think that I’ve found is that some are saying that he is unwilling to stick his head in run support. I personally don’t think that he will fall out of the first round but hence the reason I asked is because while I defense was better the pass defense was still among the worst in the league.

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Stand pat for BPA.

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How many players better than greedy played in “meaningless “ games to support their team and the fans/college that supported them? Your point is invalid. It’s about the heart and dedication not about the money. When you get old and look back at your life are you enjoying memories or saying “boy I sure did make a lot of money”?

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Fact of the matter is this is the new trend and this was really brought on by the changes to the BCS Bowl games. And regarding your comment that is not about the money is silly. If it wasn’t the NFL wouldn’t be a multi-billion dollar industry. It’s a major part of it especially for a young player that grew up with nothing. The same could be said for many players in the NFL that jump to a team that is in worse standing just for more money. Skill players are prone to take the biggest fall if they get hurt.

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If I’m Greedy Williams I’m thinking back on the wonderful times I had getting drafted and being in the NFL. I’m also cherishing the fact I was able to change the lives of my family by the wealth I accrued while playing football. I’m not dwelling on a meaningless bowl game that only exists as a cash grab for television networks and the universities. I suppose it’s okay for them to exploit the athletes and make money though.

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I don't know if I were in his cleats if I would play or not, but I'm 100% not going to hold it against him for protecting his career. It IS about the money. I think it's disingenuous to say that it isn't, and there's not a single thing wrong about that.

Hey, it's a fine line, particularly from a fan perspective. I get it. But there is more money at stake than most people will see in a lifetime.

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I guess it’s a youth movement that you last three speak of. It’s a self entitlement generation. I’m more inclined to support the devin white players than the greedy players. I want heart. I want a player who refuses to leave the field. I want the kid who plays like he is still in peewee. For me it’s all about the heart, not the bank. A player that follows the bank will do in the pros what greedy did in college. If it’s a contract year you think he’s going to play hurt? If he refused to play in a “meaningless” college game for a chance to make money don’t you think he will sit pro games for even more? When does the selfishness end?

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Selfishness is the only logical thing when you reach the NFL level. I had the good fortune of playing with two former NFL players and a couple of NFL PS guys and they all said the exact thing. You need to put yourself first, look out for yourself, because nobody else will. As soon as there is someone that is as good as you but younger, you are out. Injury? You are out. New coaching staff? You might be out.

The only exception are the true superstars, the Drew Breeses and Von Millers in the league but they are very few and far in between.

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Will Grier (QB) ... Saints have shown a TON in interest @ Pro Day, personal visit, workout etc. A QB of all positions, skipped out on his Bowl game to prepare for the draft. Should we lump this kid into the "lack heart & dedication aspect" as well?

Circle back 2017 draft ... Chubb, Denzell Ward, Jaire Alexander, Derwin James, Josh Rosens etc all "sat out" of their teams bowl game. Don't think any NFL team is questioning their "desire" at the elite level. Bowl games can still matter (Jake Butt & Jaylon Smith tore ACL's in bowl games) for some and not for others.

As long as there’s millions of dollars worth of guaranteed money for top NFL prospects and a bloated bowl schedule, players skipping bowl games isn’t fading.

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Yes we should. I don’t care who you are if you show a lack of dedication to the ones who helped you achieve your dreams then I would take you off the board completely. Let’s not forget greedy was a 3* coming out of HS and it was LSU who took a chance on him. Maybe it’s the old man in me but I want to see heart not the love for money

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The NFL is a business and most organizations & team scouts simply don't think (see Fournette & McCaffery) like that when ultimately drafting a player.

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Again, that’s why I said I’m an old man. This crap didn’t happen in the 70’s-90’s. It’s going to end up like basketball where everyone is money hungry but files bankrupt shortly after retiring.

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If he had shut it down mid-season I'd be more inclined to agree, but he didn't do that. He decided not to play in a meaningless game so as to protect his career and his earning potential. Much like many big time players play very little if at all in the pre season, and certainly not enough to matter. Those games don't matter much either. It's not 100% apples to apples, but that's my point.

If somebody told me, hey, get out there and support your teammates in this meaningless game OR have a cool million I'm going to be pulling for my guys from the first row.

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Devin white played and will get drafted before greedy.

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That's Devin White's decision. I don't hold it against him.

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Hard to “hold it against him” when he did the right thing.

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Take a moment to read this if you haven't already done so on Mr. Williams.

https://expo.nola.com/sports/erry-20...s-skippin.html

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We could potentially trade up with several teams in the 1st round but we would have to give our 1st next year and 2nd this year.

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Pretty good read. One thing in that article really irks me thou.

“If he gets hurt, he won’t be able to provide for his daughter,” Lakesha Williams said.

He went to a great school and should have a degree to his name. Even if injured he has every chance in the world of securing a decent job without crippling student loans, and live a completely different life than growing up.

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A Bachelors Degree is no longer a golden key to a successful life and career. It hasn’t been for a long time. I have a Masters Degree and I’m barely getting by, and opportunities to use it aren’t exactly slapping me in the face. Also, not every student athlete is at school for an education, nor or all of them college material. Major universities accept students that they know aren’t capable of making it through on their own merit in exchange for their talent on a field, court, or diamond.

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He’d get drafted before Greedy whether he played or not. He’s the superior football player.

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Greedy isn’t a realistic option though. Patrick Peterson might hit the market soon though. I’d love that pickup.

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LSU 40 UCF 32

Get over it already LSU fans. It's easy to be overly critical of Greedy not playing when you aren't the one with anything on the line. We're talking about life changing money here. Just because playing was the right move for Devin White, doesn't make the right one for Greedy. He did what he thought was best for him and his family. Move on already.

With that said, I feel as if he had played, there would be a lot less chatter about him being a fringe first rounder. He would have cemented his position as the top corner prospect IMO. Or, he could have torn an ACL, got drafted in the middle rounds, lost millions, and millions more of dollars if he's never the same afterwards. I was perfectly fine with him being selfish for himself there. As other have mentioned, it would have been different if the game had any significant meaning.

If we had to have Greedy Williams to win that football game, then that football game wasn't ours to win.

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It's Fools Gold to believe sitting out a "meaningless game" somehow protects you from injury. Ask Dez Bryant and all the other players who tore, pulled or broke something in PRACTICE!!!! WE'RE TALKIN BOUT PRACTICE!!

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It's Fools Gold to believe sitting out a "meaningless game" somehow protects you from injury. Ask Dez Bryant and all the other players who tore, pulled or broke something in PRACTICE!!!! WE'RE TALKIN BOUT PRACTICE!!

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Statistically, injuries tend to be far more serious during live competition as opposed to practice.

“Compared to practice injuries, competition injuries were 30 percent more likely to result in the athlete missing three or more weeks of participation. This relationship was particularly strong in baseball, where competition injuries were 3.5 times more likely to require the athlete to miss three or more weeks of play.”

Injury Rates for Practice Vs. Competition | training-conditioning.com