Jeff Duncan Grades the New Orleans Saints' Draft

04-30-2019, 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by vpheughan

The Oak Posted
Its easy to sit back and would'a should'a could'a after a draft plays out... Three years later.... Easy, but rather disingenuous.

From 2014:

- Undrafted players (14%) were the 3rd most likely group to comprise 2014’s starters…only behind 1st round (30%) and 2nd round (18%) picks.

Tell me again about stock piling Mid Rage draft choices.

Undrafted players greatly outnumber mid range picks. Teams sign anywhere from 10 to 15 of them each. Not apples to apples.

The Dude · 05-01-2019, 04:03 AM

I didn’t get the second safety either. Mostly because we had just picked one and we need more depth in other positions. I have heard several knocks on him and think we could have done better. But can’t complain about the draft as a whole. We did a lot better with what we had than most teams would have done.

vpheughan · 05-01-2019, 07:41 AM

More like Wine Saps to Granny Smiths. They are all "players" It's the difference between picking one directly off the tree (the draft) or going to the store to purchase one (free agents) Still doesn't change the percent of free agent players being 3rd behind 1st and 2nd round selections making the roster. That tells you that more free agents make teams than the infamous "MID ROUND VALUE PICKS" There was a time when the NFL draft went 17 rounds. Most of the "free agents" would have been draft choices in those days.

AsylumGuido · 05-01-2019, 07:48 AM

Originally Posted by The Dude

I didn’t get the second safety either. Mostly because we had just picked one and we need more depth in other positions. I have heard several knocks on him and think we could have done better. But can’t complain about the draft as a whole. We did a lot better with what we had than most teams would have done.

Don't look at him as a "second" safety. Look at him as a potential special team player. Stated position is meaningless when filling out the special teams.

Cruize · 05-01-2019, 05:27 PM

McCoy and Gradner-Johnson are the truth. Hampton will have to prove me wrong. Buggs or Udoh would have been my choices. Mack has serious potential. Elliss is a steal for sure. Two starters. Four out of five make the team. Two or three UDFA's make the team. None will break the bank or be franchise killers if they bust. B+

TheOak · 05-01-2019, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

I didn’t get the second safety either. Mostly because we had just picked one and we need more depth in other positions. I have heard several knocks on him and think we could have done better. But can’t complain about the draft as a whole. We did a lot better with what we had than most teams would have done.

I used to do the same, so I am just making a point about draft profile weaknesses.

Would you draft QB1 after reading this? - Negatives: Plays in the spread offense, taking the bulk of his snaps from the shotgun... Tends to side-arm his passes going deep...Lacks accuracy and touch on his long throws... Seems more comfortable in the short/intermediate passing attack......Will improvise and run when the passing lanes are clogged, but tends to run through defenders rather than trying to avoid them to prevent unnecessary punishment.

Would you draft QB2 after reading these scout comments?
- "(Alex) Smith is the better athlete."
- "I think he has a good chance of being a bust."
- "I don't like him. He's a clone of Harrington and Boller. They all throw the same way. What have those guys done? Nothing."
- "He's a system quarterback. 3-, 5-, 7-step guy. Can't create on his own. Panics under pressure. Gets flustered easy. I don't think there's a quarterback in the draft worthy of a first-round pick. I'm dead serious. None of them are worth it."

QB1 2001 NFL Draft: Drew Brees
QB2 April 23, 2005: What scouts were saying about Aaron Rodgers

04-30-2019, 08:21 PM	#11
Threaded by Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by vpheughan The Oak Posted Its easy to sit back and would'a should'a could'a after a draft plays out... Three years later.... Easy, but rather disingenuous. From 2014: - Undrafted players (14%) were the 3rd most likely group to comprise 2014’s starters…only behind 1st round (30%) and 2nd round (18%) picks. Tell me again about stock piling Mid Rage draft choices. Undrafted players greatly outnumber mid range picks. Teams sign anywhere from 10 to 15 of them each. Not apples to apples.
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05-01-2019, 04:03 AM	#12
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,050	Re: Jeff Duncan Grades the New Orleans Saints' Draft I didn’t get the second safety either. Mostly because we had just picked one and we need more depth in other positions. I have heard several knocks on him and think we could have done better. But can’t complain about the draft as a whole. We did a lot better with what we had than most teams would have done.
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05-01-2019, 07:41 AM	#13
vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,525	Re: Jeff Duncan Grades the New Orleans Saints' Draft More like Wine Saps to Granny Smiths. They are all "players" It's the difference between picking one directly off the tree (the draft) or going to the store to purchase one (free agents) Still doesn't change the percent of free agent players being 3rd behind 1st and 2nd round selections making the roster. That tells you that more free agents make teams than the infamous "MID ROUND VALUE PICKS" There was a time when the NFL draft went 17 rounds. Most of the "free agents" would have been draft choices in those days.
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05-01-2019, 07:48 AM	#14
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Jeff Duncan Grades the New Orleans Saints' Draft Originally Posted by The Dude I didn’t get the second safety either. Mostly because we had just picked one and we need more depth in other positions. I have heard several knocks on him and think we could have done better. But can’t complain about the draft as a whole. We did a lot better with what we had than most teams would have done. Don't look at him as a "second" safety. Look at him as a potential special team player. Stated position is meaningless when filling out the special teams.

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Cruize 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,457	Re: Jeff Duncan Grades the New Orleans Saints' Draft McCoy and Gradner-Johnson are the truth. Hampton will have to prove me wrong. Buggs or Udoh would have been my choices. Mack has serious potential. Elliss is a steal for sure. Two starters. Four out of five make the team. Two or three UDFA's make the team. None will break the bank or be franchise killers if they bust. B+
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05-01-2019, 06:59 PM	#16
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: Jeff Duncan Grades the New Orleans Saints' Draft Originally Posted by The Dude I didn’t get the second safety either. Mostly because we had just picked one and we need more depth in other positions. I have heard several knocks on him and think we could have done better. But can’t complain about the draft as a whole. We did a lot better with what we had than most teams would have done. I used to do the same, so I am just making a point about draft profile weaknesses. Would you draft QB1 after reading this? - Negatives: Plays in the spread offense, taking the bulk of his snaps from the shotgun... Tends to side-arm his passes going deep...Lacks accuracy and touch on his long throws... Seems more comfortable in the short/intermediate passing attack......Will improvise and run when the passing lanes are clogged, but tends to run through defenders rather than trying to avoid them to prevent unnecessary punishment. Would you draft QB2 after reading these scout comments? - "(Alex) Smith is the better athlete." - "I think he has a good chance of being a bust." - "I don't like him. He's a clone of Harrington and Boller. They all throw the same way. What have those guys done? Nothing." - "He's a system quarterback. 3-, 5-, 7-step guy. Can't create on his own. Panics under pressure. Gets flustered easy. I don't think there's a quarterback in the draft worthy of a first-round pick. I'm dead serious. None of them are worth it." QB1 2001 NFL Draft: Drew Brees QB2 April 23, 2005: What scouts were saying about Aaron Rodgers
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