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Re: PFT: Myles Garrett: Gregg Williams only let me use two moves
I found this interesting from those comments :
"I remember hearing an interview with Scott Fujita where he was asked about Gregg Williams. He said that Gregg had a lot of “cartoonish tough talk” that works with the young guys but it gets old if you’re a vet. Fujita won a super bowl with Williams as his DC and didn’t have much positive to say. I always found that interesting." |
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Re: PFT: Myles Garrett: Gregg Williams only let me use two moves
Originally Posted by K Major
This is an interesting tidbit. It always grinds my gears when I hear fans say "he won us a Super Bowl!" like GW was the main reason we got that ring. Pull up the defensive rankings of the 2009 Saints and they are one of the statistical worst defenses to ever win a Super Bowl. They are comparable to the 2001 Patriots and 2007 Giants and yet both those teams had better defensive statistical rankings than we did. ![]()
They ranked 25th overall in total defense on yards and 20th in points. Pass and run defense also ranked in the mid to low 20s. This was not one of the better defenses of 2009 unless you are exclusively judging by turnovers. It's actually very rare for teams that have defenses that rank in the 20s but high in turnovers to eventually win the SB. New England in 2010 were ranked #1 in turnovers, but their defense was in the 20s (pass defense ranked in the bottom 4), they went one and done. Green Back in 2011 had a horrible defense but were ranked #1 in turnovers and they lost in the first round too. Opportunistic defenses don't always go far, our 2009 team was an exception to the trend. The only thing they ranked high on was turnover differential where they were #1. This was not a shutdown defensive unit like fans tend to think. We all forget how scared we were in 2009 cause there were games where they couldn't stop teams and had to rely on turnovers. Kevin Kolb was made into a household name cause of the big stat numbers he put against us in week 2. Marc Bulger and the 1-15 Rams had their best offensive game against us, Jason Campbell looked like a pro bowler against GW's defense. I also like to mention that while we were getting all those turnovers, it suddenly stopped after the Redskins game. If you discount the NFCCG vs Minnesota where they were just giving us the ball away constantly, we went from averaging 3 turnovers a game down to 1. The 2009 Saints had the #1 ranked offense in scoring and we had a top 5 run unit that year. That was really the major difference between our offense and the Colts. The Colts rushing offense ranked dead last, meanwhile we had something of a 3-headed rushing attack with PT, Bell and Bush. Brees also had a better QBR and ranked better in advanced passing stats than MVP Manning. I strongly believe Manning only won the 2009 MVP cause the Colts ranked dead last in rushing offense and one of the big stories was how Manning was the glue holding that team together. Despite starting 14-0, the Colts really weren't that dominant in 2009. They barely won a number of their games needing Manning to set a record for 4th quarter game winning drives. Remember, we spanked the Patriots with ease that year. The Colts needed a big comeback from Manning and then Bill B making a huge mistake on 4th down to just barely escape that game with a win. IMO fans often don't give Brees and Payton the credit they deserve for 2009, and instead GREGGGGGGGGG is made out to be some defensive mastermind which he absolutely was not. Brees won SB MVP for a reason; he was like a surgeon out there that night, not only matching the league MVP step for step, but outplaying him. If the Tracy Porter pick six don't happen and Indy ties that game, I strongly believe Brees has a heroic game winning drive to finish it. |
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Re: PFT: Myles Garrett: Gregg Williams only let me use two moves
Originally Posted by CHA_CHING
You can thank Darren Sharper and the backfield, jar hitting front line and decent lb'er play.We could stop teams for scoring at will and Williams was a huge part of that. Nothing dominate on the D side but decent enough. I'm not a stat guy never have been and never will be but will at least give credit where it's due. Oh and Williams really never was able to get top notch players the entire time he was here unlike Payton loading up on the O side.I'll always be thankful he helped us win the big game, haven't been back since with the other coaches.
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Re: PFT: Myles Garrett: Gregg Williams only let me use two moves
Originally Posted by CHA_CHING
Gregg Williams WAS the main reason we lost to SF in 2011z
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Re: PFT: Myles Garrett: Gregg Williams only let me use two moves
I have never disputed that on this board or the other Saints forum. I have always maintained a strong stance that Williams defense was not only the main reason we lost to SF in 2011, but the problem with that team all together.
The problem was masked thanks to playing an easy schedule full of horrible defenses that our offense willingly padded stats and ran up scores on. I get a lot of flack from fans for not bowing down and worshiping the 2011 team, but I don't cause they went most of that year without being truly challenged. SF's defense was a brick wall they slammed into and struggled with for most of that game. The 2011 defense had already made mediocre at best QBs like Jake Locker and Josh Freeman look like Pro Bowlers.
Originally Posted by dizzle88
And that is why they never achieved anything outside 2009. ![]()
Go back to the Beastmode run. They didn't bother trying to tackle, kept trying to snatch the ball free. I don't miss Gregg Williams. The difference is that between 2009 to 2012, Brees was in his prime and our offense could put points on the board. They averaged 36 points a game in the playoffs. Williams' defense did the same thing of making crap QBs look like pro bowlers. Look up Kevin Kolb. Had the game of his career against us in 2009, then became a hot name going into the next year only to flame out. Marc Bulger had the last great game of his career against us in 2009. Chad Henne had a good game against us for 3 quarters. You could make a list of crap QBs who performed well against GW's defense. Allen's defense definitely blows it late in games but it's not the only problem with our team the past 3 years. Payton has been firmly out-coached in all 3 of our playoff exits, and Brees is no longer in his prime and has played pretty badly in the playoffs. |
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Re: PFT: Myles Garrett: Gregg Williams only let me use two moves
I believe this to. I honestly believe if we wouldn't have blitz them play after play in pre-season they wouldn't have a blueprint to beat us in the playoffs, Watching the pre-season game I told the wife that it was going to bite us in the butt, and it did. He gave away every card we had.
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Re: PFT: Myles Garrett: Gregg Williams only let me use two moves
Originally Posted by halloween 65
Even though GW messed the ending of that game up, I find it hilarious that people refuse to blame Brees and the Offense when they turned the ball over 5 times in that game.![]()
That game could have been over in the first half with the way Brees played, but the D held firm, unfortunately the Vernon Davis catch and run crippled us, people will forever think it was only the D that doomed us that day. |
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Re: PFT: Myles Garrett: Gregg Williams only let me use two moves
I'm not a GW fan. Never was.
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