Hail Mary plays could be exempt from replay review for interference

K Major · 05-23-2019, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by vpheughan

Against the 49er's in the Dome. The DB flopped and Graham got flagged. It was the last play of regulation. The Saints lost in OT. I think it was the same game Kaepernick threw a TD pass on 4Th and forever.

I remember that. The defender really sold that "flop" to the refs but Jimmy did push em

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vpheughan · 05-23-2019, 12:04 PM

Smart play by the DB. He should be in the NBA!

Rugby Saint II · 05-23-2019, 12:28 PM

vpheughan · 05-23-2019, 03:05 PM

So"Hail Mary's" will be governed by "The Apostles Creed"? (Officials and The Comish)

jeanpierre · 05-23-2019, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

'Theoretically' clean and clear. Now apply it.

Who is the one player in position in #10, #8, #5, #2?

I am inclined to believe that allowing a Referee to decide which player is in position would lead to Saints vs Rams controversial calls.

https://youtu.be/tj8zjX-6Yz8

Well, the other option is a free-for-all for the ball on those last moment plays - Is the NFL Rules Committee not trying to make the game safer?

My issues with the non-call in the Saints NFC Title game is more about:

a) lack of continuity in the playoff crews, too much stress in big games to work out crew politics, dynamics (who overrides who, deferments) keep crews together, if one is bad, bounce him then...

b) HCs should be able to throw a challenge flag and request video review and reversal when a call is blatantly missed as it was in the Robey take-out of Tommylee

c) NFL should avoid any possible hint of propriety when selecting crews to avoid the appearance of a conflict of interests; even allow a playoff team to make challenge on a crew that's been overtly bias in calls...

But as Major pointed out, Graham pushed the defender, now did it look like a flop, of course it did, but Graham pushed on the guy (stupid move)...

There are jump-ball situations throughout games; just because it's end of the half, or for the game doesn't mean officials get off the hook from getting it right because it's the last play on the clock...

CHA_CHING · 05-23-2019, 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by jnormand

I agree. The non call screwed us, but there is going to be a lot of BS and some unhappy people when the slightest thing happens and it throws the game.

All I can say is that the Saints usually like to keep wins close. That's not a good thing under these review rules. You better be winning pretty convincingly with these review rules.

When this comes back and screws us over in a game, I don't want to hear a word about it from fans who are still blaming the entire NFCCG loss on the non-call. Games like that do not come down to just one call, but we got the rule change to make everyone happy.

We led the league last year in defensive pass interference calls. That is my biggest concern with this rule change. It could easily come back and screw us hard.

TheOak · 05-23-2019, 08:03 PM

What I like the most about a no-call situation is that everyone goes into the play knowing how to play it. Otherwise a defender is playing against the receiver and the thin line between what a certain REF will or will not call. A QB KNOWS all he has to do is throw it in Crawley's direction and he is going to facepalm a receiver, first down, they have done exactly that over and over again.

Please pardon my approach, I still view football as a gladiator sport where two men actually battle for an outcome. Not a convoluted game of rules and spandex where everyone has an equally engineered chance.

jeanpierre · 05-23-2019, 10:14 PM

Originally Posted by jnormand

I agree. The non call screwed us, but there is going to be a lot of BS and some unhappy people when the slightest thing happens and it throws the game.

All I can say is that the Saints usually like to keep wins close. That's not a good thing under these review rules. You better be winning pretty convincingly with these review rules.

Great Point!

There are some things that Payton has failed to realize, even with HOF Brees as his quarterback, and that's that long before they arrived, this team nearly always got screwed in close games...

CHA_CHING · 05-24-2019, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

There are some things that Payton has failed to realize, even with HOF Brees as his quarterback, and that's that long before they arrived, this team nearly always got screwed in close games...

I believe it's true that margin of victory in the NFL is a lot closer now than it was 20-30 years ago. I don't have stats to prove this, but it seems that in the last several years, most games by the week will be determined by 10 or less points. There are still blow outs, but they don't seem to be as common as they were a long time ago.

Ever since the NFL realigned the divisions, it's led to more 9-7 type teams making the playoffs, but also increased the number of 1-15 and 2-14 type dumpster fire teams. These teams usually will have a number of close games they could've won. The 0-16 Lions and Browns both had at least 4 games decided by 7 points or less that were winnable (Cleveland lost 6 close games in their 0-16 season).

vpheughan · 05-24-2019, 05:03 PM

Those 7-9 years for the Saints with a few Coulda, Woulda, Shoulda's would have ended up 10-6.

05-23-2019, 11:23 AM	#11
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Hail Mary plays could be exempt from replay review for interference Originally Posted by vpheughan Against the 49er's in the Dome. The DB flopped and Graham got flagged. It was the last play of regulation. The Saints lost in OT. I think it was the same game Kaepernick threw a TD pass on 4Th and forever. I remember that. The defender really sold that "flop" to the refs but Jimmy did push em ... jeanpierre likes this.

05-23-2019, 12:04 PM	#12
vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,525	Re: Hail Mary plays could be exempt from replay review for interference Smart play by the DB. He should be in the NBA! jnormand likes this.
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vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,525	Re: Hail Mary plays could be exempt from replay review for interference So"Hail Mary's" will be governed by "The Apostles Creed"? (Officials and The Comish)
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05-23-2019, 03:18 PM	#15
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Hail Mary plays could be exempt from replay review for interference Originally Posted by TheOak 'Theoretically' clean and clear. Now apply it. Who is the one player in position in #10, #8, #5, #2? I am inclined to believe that allowing a Referee to decide which player is in position would lead to Saints vs Rams controversial calls. https://youtu.be/tj8zjX-6Yz8 Well, the other option is a free-for-all for the ball on those last moment plays - Is the NFL Rules Committee not trying to make the game safer? My issues with the non-call in the Saints NFC Title game is more about: a) lack of continuity in the playoff crews, too much stress in big games to work out crew politics, dynamics (who overrides who, deferments) keep crews together, if one is bad, bounce him then... b) HCs should be able to throw a challenge flag and request video review and reversal when a call is blatantly missed as it was in the Robey take-out of Tommylee c) NFL should avoid any possible hint of propriety when selecting crews to avoid the appearance of a conflict of interests; even allow a playoff team to make challenge on a crew that's been overtly bias in calls... But as Major pointed out, Graham pushed the defender, now did it look like a flop, of course it did, but Graham pushed on the guy (stupid move)... There are jump-ball situations throughout games; just because it's end of the half, or for the game doesn't mean officials get off the hook from getting it right because it's the last play on the clock... K Major likes this.
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05-23-2019, 06:19 PM	#16
CHA_CHING 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 1,159	Re: Hail Mary plays could be exempt from replay review for interference Originally Posted by jnormand I agree. The non call screwed us, but there is going to be a lot of BS and some unhappy people when the slightest thing happens and it throws the game. All I can say is that the Saints usually like to keep wins close. That's not a good thing under these review rules. You better be winning pretty convincingly with these review rules. When this comes back and screws us over in a game, I don't want to hear a word about it from fans who are still blaming the entire NFCCG loss on the non-call. Games like that do not come down to just one call, but we got the rule change to make everyone happy. We led the league last year in defensive pass interference calls. That is my biggest concern with this rule change. It could easily come back and screw us hard. jnormand likes this.

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: Hail Mary plays could be exempt from replay review for interference What I like the most about a no-call situation is that everyone goes into the play knowing how to play it. Otherwise a defender is playing against the receiver and the thin line between what a certain REF will or will not call. A QB KNOWS all he has to do is throw it in Crawley's direction and he is going to facepalm a receiver, first down, they have done exactly that over and over again. Please pardon my approach, I still view football as a gladiator sport where two men actually battle for an outcome. Not a convoluted game of rules and spandex where everyone has an equally engineered chance. jeanpierre likes this.
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05-23-2019, 10:14 PM	#18
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Hail Mary plays could be exempt from replay review for interference Originally Posted by jnormand I agree. The non call screwed us, but there is going to be a lot of BS and some unhappy people when the slightest thing happens and it throws the game. *All I can say is that the Saints usually like to keep wins close. That's not a good thing under these review rules. You better be winning pretty convincingly with these review rules*. Great Point! There are some things that Payton has failed to realize, even with HOF Brees as his quarterback, and that's that long before they arrived, this team nearly always got screwed in close games... jnormand likes this.

05-24-2019, 04:52 PM	#19
CHA_CHING 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 1,159	Re: Hail Mary plays could be exempt from replay review for interference Originally Posted by jeanpierre There are some things that Payton has failed to realize, even with HOF Brees as his quarterback, and that's that long before they arrived, this team nearly always got screwed in close games... I believe it's true that margin of victory in the NFL is a lot closer now than it was 20-30 years ago. I don't have stats to prove this, but it seems that in the last several years, most games by the week will be determined by 10 or less points. There are still blow outs, but they don't seem to be as common as they were a long time ago. Ever since the NFL realigned the divisions, it's led to more 9-7 type teams making the playoffs, but also increased the number of 1-15 and 2-14 type dumpster fire teams. These teams usually will have a number of close games they could've won. The 0-16 Lions and Browns both had at least 4 games decided by 7 points or less that were winnable (Cleveland lost 6 close games in their 0-16 season).

05-24-2019, 05:03 PM	#20
vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,525	Re: Hail Mary plays could be exempt from replay review for interference Those 7-9 years for the Saints with a few Coulda, Woulda, Shoulda's would have ended up 10-6. jnormand and CHA_CHING like this.
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