How man times?

subguy · 03-11-2003, 08:14 AM

How many players can you guys think of that we have let go to our same division that have haunted us? I'll start with Andersen. Jake Delhomme was a bad move.

BlackandBlue · 03-11-2003, 08:53 AM

You say that Jake was a bad move. So you think it would have been a good move to invest $2 million a year in a backup QB? I don\'t.
Contrary to popular belief, teams have little to no control over who free agents sign with.

WhoDat · 03-11-2003, 10:13 AM

Bobby Hebert, Sam Mills, Wesley Walls, didn\'t Rickey Jackson go to SF? David Waymer did. That\'s off the top of my head, I\'m sure there\'s a lot more.

Black and Blue is right that teams have no control over who FAs sign with. Jake is hard to call though. $2 million a year sounds like a lot, but we\'ll probably have to spend a million or more on his replacement (if we want a decent one). It\'s a really tough spot for a fan. On the one hand, I want to see Delhomme do well. On the other, you never want one of your good players going to a division rival. Further, I would have liked to see Jake stay as insurance. He makes our team better and you never know. The Saints could tank this up-coming season, Haslett could get canned, and a new coach could come in and see Delhomme as the better fit for a west coast offense. He\'s certainly cheaper, and if Brooks\' play isn\'t stellar you have to wonder if Delhomme isn\'t a better value.

BlackandBlue · 03-11-2003, 11:01 AM

Not gonna argue with you there. I\'m still not sold on Brooks\' tenacity and it\'s adverse effect on the game. I\'m sure I\'ll get scorched for that remark

And yes, Rickey Jackson did go to SF, and won a super bowl, then came back to NO to retire as a Saint. That was the only time I EVER rooted for the 49ers, cause Jackson deserved a ring.

ScottyRo · 03-11-2003, 11:58 AM

I\'ll tell you one that doesn\'t rank as high in saintly-hood as the others that have already been mentioned...Jim Everett.

I know this is a little of topic because he didn\'t go to a division rival, but he was cut by Ditka because he wasn\'t a \"Ditka-type\" player. He eventually signed with San Diego. That same season the Saints played the Chargers and all I can remember from the game is Jim Everett throwing a touchdown pass and as he turned to run up the field, he gave Ditka the biggest in-your-face look you could imagine.

There we were with that year\'s \"Franchise Savior\", Heath Shuler, who was trying to set a record for most interceptions in a season, getting our butts handed to us by the QB that wasn\'t \"tough enough\" for Ditka.

I\'ve always wondered whether it was me or whether it was true that the players we lost always played better against us than the players we got through free agency played against their former teams. It sure seemed like it.

Marvinb6 · 03-13-2003, 09:11 AM

I know the guy didn\'t go to a team in our conference much less our division but, didn\'t Ricky Williams have his best year so far and go to the pro bowl after leaving the Saints? I am not a big Ricky fan but, give credit where credit is due. Let\'s see...Can you say Wes Chandler? Wesley Walls?

subguy · 03-13-2003, 07:00 PM

Black and Blue I will register the Jake comments......we will watch the season unfold. I wish him well and a chance to play,but I can\'t think of many better backups. This is a far stretch but I remember at Tampa Bay they had a million dollar backup,whom they let go for financial reasons.......Steve Young

WhoDat · 03-13-2003, 07:28 PM

Our \"star\" quarterback was a back up in Green Bay and HERE before Blake went down.

Marvinb6 · 03-14-2003, 09:01 AM

Black and Blue , that $2 million will look like a bargain when Brooks\' shoulder doesn\'t fully recover from injury and delayed surgery.

BlackandBlue · 03-14-2003, 09:11 AM

Black and Blue , that $2 million will look like a bargain when Brooks\' shoulder doesn\'t fully recover from injury and delayed surgery.

Our \"star\" quarterback was a back up in Green Bay and HERE before Blake went down.

Black and Blue I will register the Jake comments......we will watch the season unfold. I wish him well and a chance to play,but I can\'t think of many better backups. This is a far stretch but I remember at Tampa Bay they had a million dollar backup,whom they let go for financial reasons.......Steve Young

Had no idea we had this many fortune tellers on this board. Am I really going to die at an early age?

03-11-2003, 08:14 AM	#1
subguy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: FL Posts: 2,095	How man times? How many players can you guys think of that we have let go to our same division that have haunted us? I'll start with Andersen. Jake Delhomme was a bad move.

03-11-2003, 08:53 AM	#2
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	How man times? You say that Jake was a bad move. So you think it would have been a good move to invest $2 million a year in a backup QB? I don\'t. Contrary to popular belief, teams have little to no control over who free agents sign with.

03-11-2003, 10:13 AM	#3
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	How man times? Bobby Hebert, Sam Mills, Wesley Walls, didn\'t Rickey Jackson go to SF? David Waymer did. That\'s off the top of my head, I\'m sure there\'s a lot more. Black and Blue is right that teams have no control over who FAs sign with. Jake is hard to call though. $2 million a year sounds like a lot, but we\'ll probably have to spend a million or more on his replacement (if we want a decent one). It\'s a really tough spot for a fan. On the one hand, I want to see Delhomme do well. On the other, you never want one of your good players going to a division rival. Further, I would have liked to see Jake stay as insurance. He makes our team better and you never know. The Saints could tank this up-coming season, Haslett could get canned, and a new coach could come in and see Delhomme as the better fit for a west coast offense. He\'s certainly cheaper, and if Brooks\' play isn\'t stellar you have to wonder if Delhomme isn\'t a better value.
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. ThatÃ¢Â€Â™s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans SaintsÃ¢Â€Â™ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse \"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

03-11-2003, 11:01 AM	#4
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	How man times? Not gonna argue with you there. I\'m still not sold on Brooks\' tenacity and it\'s adverse effect on the game. I\'m sure I\'ll get scorched for that remark And yes, Rickey Jackson did go to SF, and won a super bowl, then came back to NO to retire as a Saint. That was the only time I EVER rooted for the 49ers, cause Jackson deserved a ring.

03-11-2003, 11:58 AM	#5
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	How man times? I\'ll tell you one that doesn\'t rank as high in saintly-hood as the others that have already been mentioned...Jim Everett. I know this is a little of topic because he didn\'t go to a division rival, but he was cut by Ditka because he wasn\'t a \"Ditka-type\" player. He eventually signed with San Diego. That same season the Saints played the Chargers and all I can remember from the game is Jim Everett throwing a touchdown pass and as he turned to run up the field, he gave Ditka the biggest in-your-face look you could imagine. There we were with that year\'s \"Franchise Savior\", Heath Shuler, who was trying to set a record for most interceptions in a season, getting our butts handed to us by the QB that wasn\'t \"tough enough\" for Ditka. I\'ve always wondered whether it was me or whether it was true that the players we lost always played better against us than the players we got through free agency played against their former teams. It sure seemed like it.

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03-13-2003, 09:11 AM	#6
Marvinb6 Rookie Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 29	How man times? I know the guy didn\'t go to a team in our conference much less our division but, didn\'t Ricky Williams have his best year so far and go to the pro bowl after leaving the Saints? I am not a big Ricky fan but, give credit where credit is due. Let\'s see...Can you say Wes Chandler? Wesley Walls?
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03-13-2003, 07:00 PM	#7
subguy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: FL Posts: 2,095	How man times? Black and Blue I will register the Jake comments......we will watch the season unfold. I wish him well and a chance to play,but I can\'t think of many better backups. This is a far stretch but I remember at Tampa Bay they had a million dollar backup,whom they let go for financial reasons.......Steve Young

03-13-2003, 07:28 PM	#8
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	How man times? Our \"star\" quarterback was a back up in Green Bay and HERE before Blake went down.
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03-14-2003, 09:01 AM	#9
Marvinb6 Rookie Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 29	How man times? Black and Blue , that $2 million will look like a bargain when Brooks\' shoulder doesn\'t fully recover from injury and delayed surgery.
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03-14-2003, 09:11 AM	#10
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	How man times? Black and Blue , that $2 million will look like a bargain when Brooks\' shoulder doesn\'t fully recover from injury and delayed surgery. Our \"star\" quarterback was a back up in Green Bay and HERE before Blake went down. Black and Blue I will register the Jake comments......we will watch the season unfold. I wish him well and a chance to play,but I can\'t think of many better backups. This is a far stretch but I remember at Tampa Bay they had a million dollar backup,whom they let go for financial reasons.......Steve Young Had no idea we had this many fortune tellers on this board. Am I really going to die at an early age?