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Tobias-Reiper · 07-06-2005, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

I just don't wanna here Brooks getting the blame for everything when its a team game. If you blame Brooks then you damn well better give him the credit when they win.

... nice try, but the Brooks argument got elevated to what it is today because, after the playoff win, Brooks was given credit for everything good and none of the blame for anything bad. Don't try to spin it the other way.

There are 4 very specific situations that have made this argument what it is today:

1.- Brooks getting #2 before arriving to N.O. Remember QB 2-a and QB 2-b? That started the rumblings...
2.- Neither Blake nor Delhomme getting a real chance to compete for the starting position in 2001. That "competition" was a charade. Very hard to compete for the #1 position when you only practice and play with the 2nd and 3rd teams during preseason.
3.- The viciousness of some fans towards Jake Delhomme because some other fans wanted Jake to get a shot.
4.- The virtual anointment of Brooks: if the Saints won, it was Brooks; if the Saints lost, this player dropped the ball, that one didn't block, it's the defense, it's the waterboy; and of course the "Brooks is better than Archie" spiel...

4saintspirit · 07-06-2005, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

Originally Posted by Euphoria

I just don't wanna here Brooks getting the blame for everything when its a team game. If you blame Brooks then you damn well better give him the credit when they win.

... nice try, but the Brooks argument got elevated to what it is today because, after the playoff win, Brooks was given credit for everything good and none of the blame for anything bad. Don't try to spin it the other way.

There are 4 very specific situations that have made this argument what it is today:

1.- Brooks getting #2 before arriving to N.O. Remember QB 2-a and QB 2-b? That started the rumblings...
2.- Neither Blake nor Delhomme getting a real chance to compete for the starting position in 2001. That "competition" was a charade. Very hard to compete for the #1 position when you only practice and play with the 2nd and 3rd teams during preseason.
3.- The viciousness of some fans towards Jake Delhomme because some other fans wanted Jake to get a shot.
4.- The virtual anointment of Brooks: if the Saints won, it was Brooks; if the Saints lost, this player dropped the ball, that one didn't block, it's the defense, it's the waterboy; and of course the "Brooks is better than Archie" spiel...

Very nicely put -- I would only add the following 2 points :: not giving Jake the shot when it was apparent to eveyone but Haslett that AB was hurt. Brooks opening his mouth time and time again about how he is a top 5 QB -- how he is a great QB on a bad team --

trimolo · 07-06-2005, 11:53 AM

If the saints had better coaching and front office management we would have won the superbowl....Haslet has no courage and no intelligence when it comes to picking coaches, draft picks, and play calling. Mueller's gunslinging got us to win that playoff game...since he left downhill.........

Euphoria · 07-06-2005, 12:24 PM

I can't argue with you about Mueller... Its basically Benson's fault for wanting to be informed on decisions and which cost Mueller his job in NO. Mueller gets credit for Horn, Deuce, Brooks just to name a few and the play off victory.

Tobias-Reiper · 07-06-2005, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

Jake didn't do it in a Saints Uniform...

.. so you do agree that Keith Mitchell was a better Saints LB than Pat Swilling, Vaughn Johnson, Sam Mills, and Rickey Jackson...

saintswhodi · 07-06-2005, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

Jake didn't do it in a Saints Uniform...

But he is a Louisiana native. So you don't wanna see Louisiana natives do well unless they play for the Saints? I root for LA natives always, except when they play us. Then I hope they suck to high heaven. Outside of that though, hometown or homestate guys always get my support. Not enough good news comes out of this state as it is. good to see some local boys make good.

4saintspirit · 07-06-2005, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by saintswhodi

Originally Posted by Euphoria

Jake didn't do it in a Saints Uniform...

But he is a Louisiana native. So you don't wanna see Louisiana natives do well unless they play for the Saints? I root for LA natives always, except when they play us. Then I hope they suck to high heaven. Outside of that though, hometown or homestate guys always get my support. Not enough good news comes out of this state as it is. good to see some local boys make good.

Same here -- same thing with all LA sport teams -- rajun cajuns, LSU etc -- even though I am a Tulane grad

saintswhodi · 07-06-2005, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by 4saintspirit

Originally Posted by saintswhodi

Originally Posted by Euphoria

Jake didn't do it in a Saints Uniform...

But he is a Louisiana native. So you don't wanna see Louisiana natives do well unless they play for the Saints? I root for LA natives always, except when they play us. Then I hope they suck to high heaven. Outside of that though, hometown or homestate guys always get my support. Not enough good news comes out of this state as it is. good to see some local boys make good.

Same here -- same thing with all LA sport teams -- rajun cajuns, LSU etc -- even though I am a Tulane grad

Well, in college sports, I mainly support LSU. I root for Tulane cause I almost went there, and I used to pull for UNO in b-ball cause I did go there. But I am LSU all the way,a lthough when other teams do well fromt he state, I don't hate on them or begrudge them.

trimolo · 07-06-2005, 12:51 PM

Keith Mithcell had more talent but, no heart, no guts, no work ethic.....so it's like saying a krispy kreme donut has the potential to be better than mckensie's but never quite fits the bill....

WhoDat · 07-06-2005, 01:04 PM

Jake Delhomme threw for more yards, more TDs, a higher completion percentage, better YPA, better TD:INT ratio, and better QB rating than AB last season. It was AB's 5th with the Saints and 4th full season as a starter. It was Jake's 2nd as a starter and 2nd with the team. Jake's numbers got better from the year previous. Brooks' got worse. Jake did it with Nick Goings as the primary back for much of the year, with major injuries along the o-line and at WR, and a terrbily banged up defense, and on a bad team overall (last season). Brooks' team was mostly healthy, and the team was probably better given Carolina's injuries. Just thought you all should know. LOL

07-06-2005, 11:34 AM	#11
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: RE: Re: RE: statistics Originally Posted by Euphoria I just don't wanna here Brooks getting the blame for everything when its a team game. If you blame Brooks then you damn well better give him the credit when they win. ... nice try, but the Brooks argument got elevated to what it is today because, after the playoff win, Brooks was given credit for everything good and none of the blame for anything bad. Don't try to spin it the other way. There are 4 very specific situations that have made this argument what it is today: 1.- Brooks getting #2 before arriving to N.O. Remember QB 2-a and QB 2-b? That started the rumblings... 2.- Neither Blake nor Delhomme getting a real chance to compete for the starting position in 2001. That "competition" was a charade. Very hard to compete for the #1 position when you only practice and play with the 2nd and 3rd teams during preseason. 3.- The viciousness of some fans towards Jake Delhomme because some other fans wanted Jake to get a shot. 4.- The virtual anointment of Brooks: if the Saints won, it was Brooks; if the Saints lost, this player dropped the ball, that one didn't block, it's the defense, it's the waterboy; and of course the "Brooks is better than Archie" spiel...

07-06-2005, 11:42 AM	#12
4saintspirit 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 690	Re: RE: Re: RE: statistics Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper Originally Posted by Euphoria I just don't wanna here Brooks getting the blame for everything when its a team game. If you blame Brooks then you damn well better give him the credit when they win. ... nice try, but the Brooks argument got elevated to what it is today because, after the playoff win, Brooks was given credit for everything good and none of the blame for anything bad. Don't try to spin it the other way. There are 4 very specific situations that have made this argument what it is today: 1.- Brooks getting #2 before arriving to N.O. Remember QB 2-a and QB 2-b? That started the rumblings... 2.- Neither Blake nor Delhomme getting a real chance to compete for the starting position in 2001. That "competition" was a charade. Very hard to compete for the #1 position when you only practice and play with the 2nd and 3rd teams during preseason. 3.- The viciousness of some fans towards Jake Delhomme because some other fans wanted Jake to get a shot. 4.- The virtual anointment of Brooks: if the Saints won, it was Brooks; if the Saints lost, this player dropped the ball, that one didn't block, it's the defense, it's the waterboy; and of course the "Brooks is better than Archie" spiel... Very nicely put -- I would only add the following 2 points :: not giving Jake the shot when it was apparent to eveyone but Haslett that AB was hurt. Brooks opening his mouth time and time again about how he is a top 5 QB -- how he is a great QB on a bad team --
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07-06-2005, 11:53 AM	#13
trimolo Rookie Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 16	RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: statistics If the saints had better coaching and front office management we would have won the superbowl....Haslet has no courage and no intelligence when it comes to picking coaches, draft picks, and play calling. Mueller's gunslinging got us to win that playoff game...since he left downhill.........

07-06-2005, 12:24 PM	#14
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: statistics I can't argue with you about Mueller... Its basically Benson's fault for wanting to be informed on decisions and which cost Mueller his job in NO. Mueller gets credit for Horn, Deuce, Brooks just to name a few and the play off victory.

07-06-2005, 12:35 PM	#15
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: RE: Re: RE: statistics Originally Posted by Euphoria Jake didn't do it in a Saints Uniform... .. so you do agree that Keith Mitchell was a better Saints LB than Pat Swilling, Vaughn Johnson, Sam Mills, and Rickey Jackson...

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saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Re: RE: Re: RE: statistics Originally Posted by Euphoria Jake didn't do it in a Saints Uniform... But he is a Louisiana native. So you don't wanna see Louisiana natives do well unless they play for the Saints? I root for LA natives always, except when they play us. Then I hope they suck to high heaven. Outside of that though, hometown or homestate guys always get my support. Not enough good news comes out of this state as it is. good to see some local boys make good.

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4saintspirit 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 690	Re: RE: Re: RE: statistics Originally Posted by saintswhodi Originally Posted by Euphoria Jake didn't do it in a Saints Uniform... But he is a Louisiana native. So you don't wanna see Louisiana natives do well unless they play for the Saints? I root for LA natives always, except when they play us. Then I hope they suck to high heaven. Outside of that though, hometown or homestate guys always get my support. Not enough good news comes out of this state as it is. good to see some local boys make good. Same here -- same thing with all LA sport teams -- rajun cajuns, LSU etc -- even though I am a Tulane grad
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07-06-2005, 12:48 PM	#18
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Re: RE: Re: RE: statistics Originally Posted by 4saintspirit Originally Posted by saintswhodi Originally Posted by Euphoria Jake didn't do it in a Saints Uniform... But he is a Louisiana native. So you don't wanna see Louisiana natives do well unless they play for the Saints? I root for LA natives always, except when they play us. Then I hope they suck to high heaven. Outside of that though, hometown or homestate guys always get my support. Not enough good news comes out of this state as it is. good to see some local boys make good. Same here -- same thing with all LA sport teams -- rajun cajuns, LSU etc -- even though I am a Tulane grad Well, in college sports, I mainly support LSU. I root for Tulane cause I almost went there, and I used to pull for UNO in b-ball cause I did go there. But I am LSU all the way,a lthough when other teams do well fromt he state, I don't hate on them or begrudge them.

07-06-2005, 12:51 PM	#19
trimolo Rookie Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 16	RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: statistics Keith Mithcell had more talent but, no heart, no guts, no work ethic.....so it's like saying a krispy kreme donut has the potential to be better than mckensie's but never quite fits the bill....

07-06-2005, 01:04 PM	#20
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: statistics Jake Delhomme threw for more yards, more TDs, a higher completion percentage, better YPA, better TD:INT ratio, and better QB rating than AB last season. It was AB's 5th with the Saints and 4th full season as a starter. It was Jake's 2nd as a starter and 2nd with the team. Jake's numbers got better from the year previous. Brooks' got worse. Jake did it with Nick Goings as the primary back for much of the year, with major injuries along the o-line and at WR, and a terrbily banged up defense, and on a bad team overall (last season). Brooks' team was mostly healthy, and the team was probably better given Carolina's injuries. Just thought you all should know. LOL
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