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Re: Running game

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 848489)

So, who is the RB on the roster with more chemistry with Brees and greater knowledge of the playbook than Murray? Kamara, for sure. Certainly not Ozigbo. Allen, Washington, Dayes? Really doubt it. Murray is a vet that knows how to pick up new systems. And, he just turned 28 earlier this year ... not the "almost 30" that you claim. In fact, he's a year and two months YOUNGER than Ingram. Plus, the Saints signed him to a four year deal worth $14.4 million with half of that fully guaranteed. They knew exactly what they were getting in him or they wouldn't have commited that much to the cause.

Murray is almost 30. 29 1/2 but sure whatever you say.

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Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 848501)

Murray is almost 30. 29 1/2 but sure whatever you say.

That's weird, Ourlads had his birthdate in 1991, but still, why the hate? Have you stopped to consider that Sean Payton may be better at evaluating offensive talent than yourself?

;)

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Originally Posted by CHA_CHING (Post 848499)

I must be the only one here who thinks Ingram was a disappointment here.

Consider this; where was he in our last two playoff trips? He did nothing in the 2017 playoffs. It was Kamara having all the big plays against Carolina and Minnesota. Then this year, he had his chance to step up and be the man, and could not do it.

Ingram was an inconsistent running back all his time here. He didn't start really breaking out until he had competition - Tim Hightower in 2016, then Kamara the last two years. And even then, Kamara beat him out as a playmaker.

Go back to 2015. Before that year, we thought he was a disappointment cause he had yet to really have a breakout season. When he finally does have his breakout season, he was still inconsistent. Ingram would run all over bad teams, then the next week completely disappear. Remember when he ran all over the 49ers that year? The next week, he was no where to be found vs Denver.

Kamara completely stole the spotlight last year when Ingram was suspended, proving he could be our #1 back. Kamara has done things that we used to wish Reggie Bush and Ingram could do.

RBs are inter-changeable and I don't think we'll really miss Ingram. I'm feeling confident about Murray and think he's an upgrade to be honest.

I think the Ingram suspension showed that Kamara isn’t our #1 back. Number 1 on the depth chart sure but I don’t think he would hold up later in the season and playoffs without another legitimate threat to share carries with. By game 4 last year he was getting winded and just didn’t look like he was having fun anymore. He also tweaked his ankle a bit if I’m not mistaken.
It’s no knock on Kamara, he’s a rare talent in this league but there needs to be another back on the team that defenses are forced to respect.

As for MaCoy I’m sure he will be fine and will be legit from day 1 but to say he is going to step in and take the place of a Pro Bowl center without a drop off is a bit much. He will have his struggles. Struggle could lead to Qb injury. That cannot happen.

Re: Running game

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 848522)

I think the Ingram suspension showed that Kamara isn’t our #1 back. Number 1 on the depth chart sure but I don’t think he would hold up later in the season and playoffs without another legitimate threat to share carries with. By game 4 last year he was getting winded and just didn’t look like he was having fun anymore. He also tweaked his ankle a bit if I’m not mistaken.
It’s no knock on Kamara, he’s a rare talent in this league but there needs to be another back on the team that defenses are forced to respect.

As for MaCoy I’m sure he will be fine and will be legit from day 1 but to say he is going to step in and take the place of a Pro Bowl center without a drop off is a bit much. He will have his struggles. Struggle could lead to Qb injury. That cannot happen.

Did you mean game 4 against the Giants? When he had 134 yards rushing on 19 carries for over 7 yards per attempt and 3 touchdowns?

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 848522)

I really doubt McCoy will struggle. He allowed ONE sack in over 1500 pass attempts in 39 games started at center for Texas A&M against top SEC defensive talent. He has been battle tested more than most centers that come into the league. He'll also have two veteran guards on either side and one of the smartest QB's in the game behind him. He'll be fine ... at the very least. I wouldn't be shocked if he gets Pro Bowl mentions in year one.

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McCoy in the Pro Bowl!!! Done!!! You're welcome!!!!

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 848511)

That's weird, Ourlads had his birthdate in 1991, but still, why the hate? Have you stopped to consider that Sean Payton may be better at evaluating offensive talent than yourself?

;)

I don't hate him. I do however live in reality and know the odds are extremely low of an almost 30 yr old RB having success. Odds are much better of a younger RB beating him out. I'm optimistic our young RB's will have success.

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Originally Posted by Utah_Saint (Post 848523)

Did you mean game 4 against the Giants? When he had 134 yards rushing on 19 carries for over 7 yards per attempt and 3 touchdowns?

Often times I wonder which games some posters are watching on a week to week basis.

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 848548)

Often times I wonder which games some posters are watching on a week to week basis.

I've watched about all of Murray's games the last few years. He was pretty good but it's the age. Ingram pulled it off but he knew the playbook like the back of his hand.

Murray will have to compete with younger RB's with more horsepower and endurance. No way around the hands of time. It will be a three headed monster with Murray being phased out as the season progresses. Happens all the time. Only a small amount of older RB's stay viable in that situation. Best thing would be if one our rookies emerges and we have the ability to trade Murray mid season for maybe a 6th or 7th or a swap of those picks. Worse case would be if the rookies do not emerge then we would have a couple of dust collectors and only an older RB with no legit 3rd RB.

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Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 848553)

No. The best thing would be if Murray produces at the level Payton (and most of us here) is expecting and we aren't forced to depend on an inexperienced rookie who would be prone to costly mistakes. Besides, your premise of Murray being over the hill is faulty on so many levels. This "age thirty" barrier that you keep quoting is meaningless. Even more so given that Murray won't turn 30 until AFTER the regular season. Show me the hard evidence that RB's magically stop producing once they hit that evil age. Especially one that has only averaged 180 carries per season over his five year career. Murray is in his prime. He hasn't taken the punishment that RB's used to have to endure 20 years ago (the time period from which you are likely pulling the 30 year old death sentence).

Using your logic Brady and Brees should have both hung up their cleats six or seven years ago since QB's rarely played past their mid 30's. But then again, that was a different era, as well. There was no year round training back then. There was no nutritional experts and advanced medical procedures to lengthen the player's careers. RB's would routinely carry the ball 350 times per season and hardly ever shared the load.

But then again, the rest of us do not have access to the crystal ball that you must be using. :D

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