And so it begins...

AsylumGuido · 08-13-2019, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Agree Murray will get hurt at some point in the season, but I think we’ll be ok. Murray looked good in the preseason game though. You can tell he is going to surprise folks in the first few games with his pass catching.

Why would you think Murray would get hurt during the season? What do you base that on? Murray has missed THREE total games since 2013. Two games due to turf toe and one game due to a concussion. He hasn't missed any games since 2016. He's actually known for his durability.

K Major · 08-13-2019, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Agree Murray will get hurt at some point in the season, but I think we’ll be ok. Murray looked good in the preseason game though. You can tell he is going to surprise folks in the first few games with his pass catching.

Is this based on him missing a few days from Saints training camp?

He may miss practice but he shows up for work on Sundays over the entire course of his career dating back to Oakland.

K Major · 08-13-2019, 12:10 PM

I think Murray will showcase a lot more of his pass catching ability here (more so than with the Vikes) similar to how he was used out in Oakland.

That tall frame (think Deuce M) and long strides will keep those chains moving.

He doesn't miss games and doesn't fumble either. Not sure where the "he'll get hurt at some point" logic is coming from.

Beastmode · 08-13-2019, 12:15 PM

He's hurt now and at an age associated with RB decline / slower recovery.

Nothing personal. Hope he beats the the odds but those odds are low.

K Major · 08-13-2019, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

He's hurt now and at an age associated with RB decline / slower recovery.

Nothing personal. Hope he beats the the odds but those odds are low.

This guy ? He's hurt ? Kind of beautiful the way his old team mate (#54 Kendricks) is laid out on that NOLA Super dome turf.. Right

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AsylumGuido · 08-13-2019, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

He's hurt now and at an age associated with RB decline / slower recovery.

Nothing personal. Hope he beats the the odds but those odds are low.

What makes you think he's hurt now? He had a minor ankle procedure done just after the end of last season. Probably cleaning up some old scar tissue or such. That doesn't make him hurt. Recovering is not being hurt, but will still have a player miss some practice time. He's obviously recovered to the point that Payton has given him the go. It doesn't mean "he's hurt now".

Well, do we have the bet? If you're so positive Murray won't last the season then you should be confident that Ozigbo will have more carries the final eight weeks of the season than Murray, right?

K Major · 08-13-2019, 12:32 PM

One more photo on the hurt guy from pre season game #1.

Beast - I think my new nick name for Latavius is "Mr. Hurt" ... he's definitely going to put the hurt out on a lot of backs in 2019

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Beastmode · 08-13-2019, 12:39 PM

The third to last column is RB performance based on his current age.

AsylumGuido · 08-13-2019, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

The third to last column is RB performance based on his current age.

Here's where your interpretation of the data is skewed. This chart demonstrates performance by season. This is Latavius Murray's SIXTH NFL season. According to your chart he has this season AND next season, his SEVENTH, to fall within the high performance area of the data distribution.

Edit: Actually, I was incorrect ... according to your chart this should be basically tied for the third most production season of his career (the 6th column). So, according to your chart he has two full seasons of high production AFTER 2019!

K Major · 08-13-2019, 12:46 PM

I don't think this was posted so thought I'd share RB stats from p/s game #1.

Dwayne Washington 8 att 36 yards yds/att 4.5 Long - 12
Jaquizz Rodgers 5 att 15 yards yds/att 3.0 Long - 5
Alvin Kamara 4 att 11 yards yds/att 2.8 Long - 5
Devin Ozigbo 3 att 20 yards yds/att 6.7 Long - 11
Mr. Hurt (Murray) 3 att 14 yards yds/att 4.7 Long - 6

08-13-2019, 12:12 PM	#2
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,838 Blog Entries: 3	Re: And so it begins... Originally Posted by blackangold Agree Murray will get hurt at some point in the season, but I think we’ll be ok. Murray looked good in the preseason game though. You can tell he is going to surprise folks in the first few games with his pass catching. Is this based on him missing a few days from Saints training camp? He may miss practice but he shows up for work on Sundays over the entire course of his career dating back to Oakland.

08-13-2019, 12:10 PM	#3
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,838 Blog Entries: 3	Re: And so it begins... I think Murray will showcase a lot more of his pass catching ability here (more so than with the Vikes) similar to how he was used out in Oakland. That tall frame (think Deuce M) and long strides will keep those chains moving. He doesn't miss games and doesn't fumble either. Not sure where the "he'll get hurt at some point" logic is coming from. jnormand likes this.

08-13-2019, 12:15 PM	#4
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Re: And so it begins... He's hurt now and at an age associated with RB decline / slower recovery. Nothing personal. Hope he beats the the odds but those odds are low.
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08-13-2019, 01:14 PM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,674	Re: And so it begins... Originally Posted by Beastmode He's hurt now and at an age associated with RB decline / slower recovery. Nothing personal. Hope he beats the the odds but those odds are low. What makes you think he's hurt now? He had a minor ankle procedure done just after the end of last season. Probably cleaning up some old scar tissue or such. That doesn't make him hurt. Recovering is not being hurt, but will still have a player miss some practice time. He's obviously recovered to the point that Payton has given him the go. It doesn't mean "he's hurt now". Well, do we have the bet? If you're so positive Murray won't last the season then you should be confident that Ozigbo will have more carries the final eight weeks of the season than Murray, right?
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08-13-2019, 12:32 PM	#7
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,838 Blog Entries: 3	Re: And so it begins... One more photo on the hurt guy from pre season game #1. Beast - I think my new nick name for Latavius is "Mr. Hurt" ... he's definitely going to put the hurt out on a lot of backs in 2019 . AsylumGuido likes this.

08-13-2019, 12:00 PM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,674	Re: And so it begins... Originally Posted by blackangold Agree Murray will get hurt at some point in the season, but I think we’ll be ok. Murray looked good in the preseason game though. You can tell he is going to surprise folks in the first few games with his pass catching. Why would you think Murray would get hurt during the season? What do you base that on? Murray has missed THREE total games since 2013. Two games due to turf toe and one game due to a concussion. He hasn't missed any games since 2016. He's actually known for his durability.

08-13-2019, 12:24 PM	#5
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,838 Blog Entries: 3	Re: And so it begins... Originally Posted by Beastmode He's hurt now and at an age associated with RB decline / slower recovery. Nothing personal. Hope he beats the the odds but those odds are low. This guy ? He's hurt ? Kind of beautiful the way his old team mate (#54 Kendricks) is laid out on that NOLA Super dome turf.. Right .

08-13-2019, 12:39 PM	#8
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08-13-2019, 02:45 PM	#9
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,674	Re: And so it begins... Originally Posted by Beastmode The third to last column is RB performance based on his current age. Here's where your interpretation of the data is skewed. This chart demonstrates performance by season. This is Latavius Murray's SIXTH NFL season. According to your chart he has this season AND next season, his SEVENTH, to fall within the high performance area of the data distribution. Edit: Actually, I was incorrect ... according to your chart this should be basically tied for the third most production season of his career (the 6th column). So, according to your chart he has two full seasons of high production AFTER 2019!

08-13-2019, 12:46 PM	#10
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,838 Blog Entries: 3	Re: And so it begins... I don't think this was posted so thought I'd share RB stats from p/s game #1. Dwayne Washington 8 att 36 yards yds/att 4.5 Long - 12 Jaquizz Rodgers 5 att 15 yards yds/att 3.0 Long - 5 Alvin Kamara 4 att 11 yards yds/att 2.8 Long - 5 Devin Ozigbo 3 att 20 yards yds/att 6.7 Long - 11 Mr. Hurt (Murray) 3 att 14 yards yds/att 4.7 Long - 6

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