The Only place you can find people blaming Brooks

saintswhodi · 07-11-2005, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by milestonesoul

You crazy if those are the only QBs you think is better than AB. And by the way -- the reason why Brooks gets so much gried is because he constantly boasts about how great he is -- how its never his problem --when he walks the talk people will like him more

Really tell me who eles in the leauge is outside of those QB's would you rather have leading the saints?

David Carr, Byron Leftwich, I think 4ss said Jake Delhomme and Brett Favre, Trent Green, Marc Bulger, Drew Brees, Carson Palmer, Chad Pennington, Billy Volek, just to name a few. In college, Matt Leinart. Rookies, Alex Smith.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 07-11-2005, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

Well I think we all agree that Brooks will start this year and we will see what happens at the end of the year. If he can't lead us to the playoffs, if our offense isn't good enough to outscore the other teams, I think changes will be made. Let's face it, I think the organization is in the same boat, Brooks has to make a bigger impact this year with no excuses. But we won't see this from past stats, we'll know more in the coming months.

Halo,

I think past stats give you a good indication of what you're going to get. Brooks in particular needs to improve in two areas: completion percentage and total turnovers.

The guy doesn't have to make huge strides in order to be effective. But as Whodi has been pointing out of late, the offense needs to bring some consistent, mistake free football to the table.

I think when I get a chance I'm going to research the following ideal scenario for our offense:

1) Scored a TD in the 1st quarter.
2) scored in every quarter of the game.
3) Did not turn the ball over.

That should be the offense's goal every game. I wonder (hence the research) the last time that actually happened.

SFIAH

SaintFanInATLHELL · 07-11-2005, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by 4saintspirit

Originally Posted by Halo

Well I think we all agree that Brooks will start this year and we will see what happens at the end of the year. If he can't lead us to the playoffs, if our offense isn't good enough to outscore the other teams, I think changes will be made. Let's face it, I think the organization is in the same boat, Brooks has to make a bigger impact this year with no excuses. But we won't see this from past stats, we'll know more in the coming months.

Have to agree == we all know Brooks can throw the ball -- its consistency, decision making, passion and leadership he needs to improve on. If Brooks can make strides in all of those areas this year our offense should really be potent

I think that the intangible side of things is probably out of Brooks' reach. Frankly those are abilities that either you have or your don't. If the guy hasn't shown those types of skills in 4 years as a starter, the likelyhood that it's all going to click are quite small.

I just don't think you can coach "You need to have more fire on the field." Better to stick to something objective like "We need for a 70% completion percentage on 3rd down and here's the game plan to do it."

He can be as dead as a cold fish for all I care if he can keep the chains moving and make sure the team scores each and every time they are in the red zone.

SFIAH

GoldenTomb · 07-11-2005, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

Originally Posted by 4saintspirit

Originally Posted by Halo

Well I think we all agree that Brooks will start this year and we will see what happens at the end of the year. If he can't lead us to the playoffs, if our offense isn't good enough to outscore the other teams, I think changes will be made. Let's face it, I think the organization is in the same boat, Brooks has to make a bigger impact this year with no excuses. But we won't see this from past stats, we'll know more in the coming months.

Have to agree == we all know Brooks can throw the ball -- its consistency, decision making, passion and leadership he needs to improve on. If Brooks can make strides in all of those areas this year our offense should really be potent

I think that the intangible side of things is probably out of Brooks' reach. Frankly those are abilities that either you have or your don't. If the guy hasn't shown those types of skills in 4 years as a starter, the likelyhood that it's all going to click are quite small.

I just don't think you can coach "You need to have more fire on the field." Better to stick to something objective like "We need for a 70% completion percentage on 3rd down and here's the game plan to do it."

He can be as dead as a cold fish for all I care if he can keep the chains moving and make sure the team scores each and every time they are in the red zone.

SFIAH

I'm glad that there is a AB supporter that is man enough to say that the guy has no fire, no intensity, no cerebral skills and the like. And I agree....I think he can go far enough on raw ability to get us where we want to go. It's the effect he has on other people who actually do give a hoot. Nobody wants to play with a dim witted deadbeat and it showed last season.

Yes AB has the raw talent to get us where we want to go, but as a diehard fan I demand more than that. If we stumble out of the gates let's start giving AMac some snaps....someone who wants to get better. Haslett may have no choice at some point.

FireVenturi · 07-11-2005, 07:05 PM

i disagree with you Halo....we don't like to disagree!?!?

spkb25 · 07-11-2005, 07:48 PM

i think peoples biggest problem wiuth arron is his inconsistency and his ability to make some really dumb mistakes. his numbers are good. his play could be something else all together. i don't think there is doubt that we need this guy this year. we do. if we want a real shot at the playoffs we do.
at the same time i don't think that everyone on here blames him completely for our problems. i have heard many times on here about how bad our d is. i think it is obvious that our d is the first place we need help. the first place things start to crumble at. i also think our o line play was pretty bad for arron last year. that never excuses though the fact that he has dropped the ball on the goal line more then once. that he threw the ball backwards last year to an o line guy. that in the tampa game he threw the ball right to the defender from like our 6 yard line who then took it in for a score. so no he isnt our only problem and not even our worst but lets not act like the guy still doesnt have to perform better or with less mistakes because he does.

along · 07-11-2005, 08:07 PM

It amazing how some posters in here
can give our Defense and everybody
on Offense a free ride but AB.

It's like if the Saints don't win or make
the playoff it's Aaron Brooks fault already.

spkb25 · 07-11-2005, 08:18 PM

im not sure if you agreed or diagreed with me along

saintz08 · 07-11-2005, 09:30 PM

David Carr, Byron Leftwich, I think 4ss said Jake Delhomme and Brett Favre, Trent Green, Marc Bulger, Drew Brees, Carson Palmer, Chad Pennington, Billy Volek, just to name a few. In college, Matt Leinart. Rookies, Alex Smith.

Leftwhich ????? Not in my book ....

I would throw Saintfan under a bus for Pennington .

saintswhodi · 07-12-2005, 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by saintz08

David Carr, Byron Leftwich, I think 4ss said Jake Delhomme and Brett Favre, Trent Green, Marc Bulger, Drew Brees, Carson Palmer, Chad Pennington, Billy Volek, just to name a few. In college, Matt Leinart. Rookies, Alex Smith.

Leftwhich ????? Not in my book ....

I would throw Saintfan under a bus for Pennington .

He got better from his rookie year to his second year, and he is already completing over 60% of his passes. Yeah, Leftwich.

07-11-2005, 02:17 PM	#11
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by milestonesoul You crazy if those are the only QBs you think is better than AB. And by the way -- the reason why Brooks gets so much gried is because he constantly boasts about how great he is -- how its never his problem --when he walks the talk people will like him more Really tell me who eles in the leauge is outside of those QB's would you rather have leading the saints? David Carr, Byron Leftwich, I think 4ss said Jake Delhomme and Brett Favre, Trent Green, Marc Bulger, Drew Brees, Carson Palmer, Chad Pennington, Billy Volek, just to name a few. In college, Matt Leinart. Rookies, Alex Smith.

07-11-2005, 03:01 PM	#12
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,773	Originally Posted by Halo Well I think we all agree that Brooks will start this year and we will see what happens at the end of the year. If he can't lead us to the playoffs, if our offense isn't good enough to outscore the other teams, I think changes will be made. Let's face it, I think the organization is in the same boat, Brooks has to make a bigger impact this year with no excuses. But we won't see this from past stats, we'll know more in the coming months. Halo, I think past stats give you a good indication of what you're going to get. Brooks in particular needs to improve in two areas: completion percentage and total turnovers. The guy doesn't have to make huge strides in order to be effective. But as Whodi has been pointing out of late, the offense needs to bring some consistent, mistake free football to the table. I think when I get a chance I'm going to research the following ideal scenario for our offense: 1) Scored a TD in the 1st quarter. 2) scored in every quarter of the game. 3) Did not turn the ball over. That should be the offense's goal every game. I wonder (hence the research) the last time that actually happened. SFIAH
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07-11-2005, 03:05 PM	#13
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,773	Originally Posted by 4saintspirit Originally Posted by Halo Well I think we all agree that Brooks will start this year and we will see what happens at the end of the year. If he can't lead us to the playoffs, if our offense isn't good enough to outscore the other teams, I think changes will be made. Let's face it, I think the organization is in the same boat, Brooks has to make a bigger impact this year with no excuses. But we won't see this from past stats, we'll know more in the coming months. Have to agree == we all know Brooks can throw the ball -- its consistency, decision making, passion and leadership he needs to improve on. If Brooks can make strides in all of those areas this year our offense should really be potent I think that the intangible side of things is probably out of Brooks' reach. Frankly those are abilities that either you have or your don't. If the guy hasn't shown those types of skills in 4 years as a starter, the likelyhood that it's all going to click are quite small. I just don't think you can coach "You need to have more fire on the field." Better to stick to something objective like "We need for a 70% completion percentage on 3rd down and here's the game plan to do it." He can be as dead as a cold fish for all I care if he can keep the chains moving and make sure the team scores each and every time they are in the red zone. SFIAH
	Super Bowl Championships: New Orleans Saints:1, Carolina:0, Atlanta Chokers: STILL ZERO Only Atlanta choked in an unchokable situation... Life is definitely good.

07-11-2005, 04:01 PM	#14
GoldenTomb 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 591	Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL Originally Posted by 4saintspirit Originally Posted by Halo Well I think we all agree that Brooks will start this year and we will see what happens at the end of the year. If he can't lead us to the playoffs, if our offense isn't good enough to outscore the other teams, I think changes will be made. Let's face it, I think the organization is in the same boat, Brooks has to make a bigger impact this year with no excuses. But we won't see this from past stats, we'll know more in the coming months. Have to agree == we all know Brooks can throw the ball -- its consistency, decision making, passion and leadership he needs to improve on. If Brooks can make strides in all of those areas this year our offense should really be potent I think that the intangible side of things is probably out of Brooks' reach. Frankly those are abilities that either you have or your don't. If the guy hasn't shown those types of skills in 4 years as a starter, the likelyhood that it's all going to click are quite small. I just don't think you can coach "You need to have more fire on the field." Better to stick to something objective like "We need for a 70% completion percentage on 3rd down and here's the game plan to do it." He can be as dead as a cold fish for all I care if he can keep the chains moving and make sure the team scores each and every time they are in the red zone. SFIAH I'm glad that there is a AB supporter that is man enough to say that the guy has no fire, no intensity, no cerebral skills and the like. And I agree....I think he can go far enough on raw ability to get us where we want to go. It's the effect he has on other people who actually do give a hoot. Nobody wants to play with a dim witted deadbeat and it showed last season. Yes AB has the raw talent to get us where we want to go, but as a diehard fan I demand more than that. If we stumble out of the gates let's start giving AMac some snaps....someone who wants to get better. Haslett may have no choice at some point.
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07-11-2005, 08:07 PM	#17
along 100th Post Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 190	It amazing how some posters in here can give our Defense and everybody on Offense a free ride but AB. It's like if the Saints don't win or make the playoff it's Aaron Brooks fault already.
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07-11-2005, 07:05 PM	#15
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	i disagree with you Halo....we don't like to disagree!?!?

07-11-2005, 07:48 PM	#16
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	i think peoples biggest problem wiuth arron is his inconsistency and his ability to make some really dumb mistakes. his numbers are good. his play could be something else all together. i don't think there is doubt that we need this guy this year. we do. if we want a real shot at the playoffs we do. at the same time i don't think that everyone on here blames him completely for our problems. i have heard many times on here about how bad our d is. i think it is obvious that our d is the first place we need help. the first place things start to crumble at. i also think our o line play was pretty bad for arron last year. that never excuses though the fact that he has dropped the ball on the goal line more then once. that he threw the ball backwards last year to an o line guy. that in the tampa game he threw the ball right to the defender from like our 6 yard line who then took it in for a score. so no he isnt our only problem and not even our worst but lets not act like the guy still doesnt have to perform better or with less mistakes because he does.

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spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	im not sure if you agreed or diagreed with me along

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07-12-2005, 09:17 AM	#20
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by saintz08 David Carr, Byron Leftwich, I think 4ss said Jake Delhomme and Brett Favre, Trent Green, Marc Bulger, Drew Brees, Carson Palmer, Chad Pennington, Billy Volek, just to name a few. In college, Matt Leinart. Rookies, Alex Smith. Leftwhich ????? Not in my book .... I would throw Saintfan under a bus for Pennington . He got better from his rookie year to his second year, and he is already completing over 60% of his passes. Yeah, Leftwich.