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jeanpierre 08-18-2019 06:17 PM

Five key takeaways from Saints' win vs. Chargers: Bridgewater struggles, red zone errors, more
 

K Major 08-18-2019 06:54 PM

Re: Five key takeaways from Saints' win vs. Chargers: Bridgewater struggles, red zone errors, more
 
Chris Banjo was bad today.

He left the door open for Saquan Hampton to make this team.

Barry from MS 08-18-2019 07:02 PM

Re: Five key takeaways from Saints' win vs. Chargers: Bridgewater struggles, red zone errors, more
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 851299)
Chris Banjo was bad today.

He left the door open for Saquan Hampton to make this team.

Got that right. Banjo was picking his nose today. Hampton is bigger, faster, and cheaper. Banjos money is Special Teams, but he can't turd it up as secondary depth.

CheramieIII 08-18-2019 07:08 PM

Re: Five key takeaways from Saints' win vs. Chargers: Bridgewater struggles, red zone errors, more
 
Getsom Taysom shows what he's got and Devine was just devine! Taysom will be our next QB!

foreverfan 08-18-2019 08:24 PM

Re: Five key takeaways from Saints' win vs. Chargers: Bridgewater struggles, red zone errors, more
 
Bridgewater struggles = Bridgewater sucks again. In fairness to Bridgewater, we as against the first 2 teams of the Chargers without our best receivers. But still... he sucked.

https://media.giphy.com/media/x47gj2...kQEC/giphy.gif

The Dude 08-18-2019 08:57 PM

Re: Five key takeaways from Saints' win vs. Chargers: Bridgewater struggles, red zone errors, more
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CheramieIII (Post 851304)
Getsom Taysom shows what he's got and Devine was just devine! Taysom will be our next QB!

Except for that fumble...

hitta 08-18-2019 09:34 PM

Re: Five key takeaways from Saints' win vs. Chargers: Bridgewater struggles, red zone errors, more
 
Justin Hardee has real upside and I wish we'd give him a real chance at CB instead of relegating him to special teams. The guy has impressed me since the first time I saw him on the field. You may think me crazy, but I think he could be the answer to our No 2 CB as I believe he has higher upside than Eli Apple.

SmashMouth 08-18-2019 09:42 PM

Re: Five key takeaways from Saints' win vs. Chargers: Bridgewater struggles, red zone errors, more
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 851299)
Chris Banjo was bad today.

He left the door open for Saquan Hampton to make this team.

Time for Banjo to move on.

blackangold 08-18-2019 09:45 PM

Re: Five key takeaways from Saints' win vs. Chargers: Bridgewater struggles, red zone errors, more
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by foreverfan (Post 851314)
Bridgewater struggles = Bridgewater sucks again. In fairness to Bridgewater, we as against the first 2 teams of the Chargers without our best receivers. But still... he sucked.

https://media.giphy.com/media/x47gj2...kQEC/giphy.gif

He did, but now that I dig into my previous bias a bit... What does he do great? He really hasn't had any standout performances for us. He has been serviceable and that's good for a backup QB, but I can't say he is the next 'guy' for us (I used to think that). It taking this performance as a stand alone, I started to go sour last year when he started against Carolina and sucked...

Looking back on it, I have nothing to base my opinion on of him being the guy.

SmashMouth 08-18-2019 09:51 PM

Re: Five key takeaways from Saints' win vs. Chargers: Bridgewater struggles, red zone errors, more
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by foreverfan (Post 851314)
Bridgewater struggles = Bridgewater sucks again. In fairness to Bridgewater, we as against the first 2 teams of the Chargers without our best receivers. But still... he sucked.

https://media.giphy.com/media/x47gj2...kQEC/giphy.gif

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 851327)
He did, but now that I dig into my previous bias a bit... What does he do great? He really hasn't had any standout performances for us. He has been serviceable and that's good for a backup QB, but I can't say he is the next 'guy' for us (I used to think that). It taking this performance as a stand alone, I started to go sour last year when he started against Carolina and sucked...

Looking back on it, I have nothing to base my opinion on of him being the guy.

So far, Teddy has not lived up to his salary cap hit. If we had let him walk during the offseason, we probably get a compensatory pick, third rounder potentially. JT Barrett looked every bit as good if not better, and he's not even on the team right now.

Beastmode 08-19-2019 06:38 AM

Re: Five key takeaways from Saints' win vs. Chargers: Bridgewater struggles, red zone errors, more
 
Ozigbo could be out of here for that fumble. He redeemed himself but Payton regards fumblers with extreme prejudice. If that happens again during PS he is certainly gone I know that much.

vpheughan 08-19-2019 06:56 AM

Re: Five key takeaways from Saints' win vs. Chargers: Bridgewater struggles, red zone errors, more
 
Aaron Rogers needs to tell Taysom Hill to "Get Down" when that happens Hill will become "Super Star" Oh wait, Hill was on the same team as Rogers and he must have told him "Don't slide you can take it"

Cutting and losing Hill pounded a few nails in McCarthy's "casket"

vpheughan 08-19-2019 07:00 AM

Re: Five key takeaways from Saints' win vs. Chargers: Bridgewater struggles, red zone errors, more
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 851346)
Ozigbo could be out of here for that fumble. He redeemed himself but Payton regards fumblers with extreme prejudice. If that happens again during PS he is certainly gone I know that much.


That fumble was caused by a helmet to the ball. Chris Ivory had 4 fumbles in his first year and had a 3 year stint as a Saint. I also remember in the first NFC championship game a WR #12 having the ball ripped out of his hands after a catch in the red zone. He retired as a Saint.

Beastmode 08-19-2019 07:16 AM

Re: Five key takeaways from Saints' win vs. Chargers: Bridgewater struggles, red zone errors, more
 
I also recall Ingram getting benched for Hightower for fumbling. He put our best RB on the pine. But yes, if you go back to they way back time machine he was more forgiving. He's not anymore. If Ozigbo fumbles again, helmet or no helmet I stand by he's outta here.

K Major 08-19-2019 07:24 AM

Re: Five key takeaways from Saints' win vs. Chargers: Bridgewater struggles, red zone errors, more
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vpheughan (Post 851350)
That fumble was caused by a helmet to the ball. Chris Ivory had 4 fumbles in his first year and had a 3 year stint as a Saint. I also remember in the first NFC championship game a WR #12 having the ball ripped out of his hands after a catch in the red zone. He retired as a Saint.

Different teams, different times.

I guarantee you if Ozigbo has "issues" with ball security going forward, he'll be a ghost in New Orleans. Ask Lasco and Marcus Murphy.

K Major 08-19-2019 07:25 AM

Re: Five key takeaways from Saints' win vs. Chargers: Bridgewater struggles, red zone errors, more
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 851352)
I also recall Ingram getting benched for Hightower for fumbling. He put our best RB on the pine. But yes, if you go back to they way back time machine he was more forgiving. He's not anymore. If Ozigbo fumbles again, helmet or no helmet I stand by he's outta here.

+1. Precisely.

I agree with everything you just stated.

Crusader 08-19-2019 07:31 AM

Re: Five key takeaways from Saints' win vs. Chargers: Bridgewater struggles, red zone errors, more
 
I can see us keeping 4 RBs:

Kamara
Murray
Washington
Ozigbo

Zach Line will be back at FB.

Rodgers, Williams and any other flavour of the week will be gone.

CheramieIII 08-19-2019 07:44 AM

Re: Five key takeaways from Saints' win vs. Chargers: Bridgewater struggles, red zone errors, more
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 851318)
Except for that fumble...

But I think we all could live with a fumble every now and then if he plays like he did last night!

jeanpierre 08-19-2019 07:56 AM

Re: Five key takeaways from Saints' win vs. Chargers: Bridgewater struggles, red zone errors, more
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hitta (Post 851323)
Justin Hardee has real upside and I wish we'd give him a real chance at CB instead of relegating him to special teams. The guy has impressed me since the first time I saw him on the field. You may think me crazy, but I think he could be the answer to our No 2 CB as I believe he has higher upside than Eli Apple.

Well, that's why they found him a job on special teams, they could see he was seriously quick, sudden...

Again, just like with Dan Arnold, many of these guys the Saints felt were mis-cast and are trying to fit them into a new position, just starting out at the NFL level...

It'll require a lot, a lot of work, but the rewards will be awesome, and needed with the obvious cap cramp we're coming to with our latest draft hauls...

jeanpierre 08-19-2019 07:59 AM

Re: Five key takeaways from Saints' win vs. Chargers: Bridgewater struggles, red zone errors, more
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 851355)
I can see us keeping 4 RBs:

Kamara
Murray
Washington
Ozigbo

Zach Line will be back at FB.

Rodgers, Williams and any other flavour of the week will be gone.

I'm not sold on Washington - he blew kick coverage twice yesterday; the INT at the goal line was on Bridgewater, but it hit him in the hands, albeit behind him...

Rodgers has been with the team for only two (2) weeks and was put in immediately, including that 2-minute drive where we saw the best of Bridgewater...

After two PreSeason games, while Ozigbo is promising, Nebraska didn't do enough to develop him - I can see why the back end of the RB depth chart should be affixed with a turn-style...

K Major 08-19-2019 08:00 AM

Re: Five key takeaways from Saints' win vs. Chargers: Bridgewater struggles, red zone errors, more
 
I have zero insight on what coaches think on certain players, however I hope
they continue to develop Justin Hardee at corner back. He's not a bad prospect out on those boundaries.

I saw good things from him yesterday.

Beastmode 08-19-2019 08:08 AM

Re: Five key takeaways from Saints' win vs. Chargers: Bridgewater struggles, red zone errors, more
 
I missed most of the game. What happened with Butler. Saw he had 3 targets but hauled in none.

Can he be a WR3 or 4. Doesn't look like it.

Rsanders24 08-19-2019 08:17 AM

Re: Five key takeaways from Saints' win vs. Chargers: Bridgewater struggles, red zone errors, more
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 851372)
I missed most of the game. What happened with Butler. Saw he had 3 targets but hauled in none.

Can he be a WR3 or 4. Doesn't look like it.

He dropped one that him him right in the hands...looking to turn up field before securing the ball. The other two passes weren't really catchable.

Saying that...once again I was impressed by Lil Jordan and Simmie Cobbs...I hope Butler isnt another AA...training camp all pro...gametime dud.

Carr scored a TD....although it was blown coverage, that is the type of play that will make the difference between making the team and not.

Butler better strap up these next two games...

SmashMouth 08-19-2019 08:24 AM

Re: Five key takeaways from Saints' win vs. Chargers: Bridgewater struggles, red zone errors, more
 
Lil Jordan used his size and catching radius to haul in a perfect pass from Taysom. Nothing the defender could do to even whiff it. He looks to be a gamer rather than a practice guy. When I saw him in practice, he was dropping way too many.

jeanpierre 08-19-2019 08:26 AM

Re: Five key takeaways from Saints' win vs. Chargers: Bridgewater struggles, red zone errors, more
 
If Chris Banjo didn't have a guaranteed contract, he'd be gone on cut-down day...


K Major 08-19-2019 08:30 AM

Re: Five key takeaways from Saints' win vs. Chargers: Bridgewater struggles, red zone errors, more
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 851368)


After two PreSeason games, while Ozigbo is promising, Nebraska didn't do enough to develop him - I can see why the back end of the RB depth chart should be affixed with a turn-style...[/B]

Just something of note ... Dwayne Washington had 2 special team tackles. That's huge. I still think Ozigbo needs to play lights out from here on out to over take him.

K Major 08-19-2019 08:38 AM

Re: Five key takeaways from Saints' win vs. Chargers: Bridgewater struggles, red zone errors, more
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 851372)
I missed most of the game. What happened with Butler. Saw he had 3 targets but hauled in none.

Can he be a WR3 or 4. Doesn't look like it.

Looked a bit tentative & nervous. Teddy threw a bad pass to him on one occasion & Taysom threw a dart but hit him in the face mask.

Definitely not a 3 or 4 at this point.

Beastmode 08-19-2019 08:57 AM

Re: Five key takeaways from Saints' win vs. Chargers: Bridgewater struggles, red zone errors, more
 
I was pulling for Ozigbo. That would be several misses if not; Murphy, Scott and him. Granted, Murphy and Scott are on other teams so not sure. Kamara has kind of made us RB snobs.

Latavius, does seem he will work out. May have pick him up. He's going for $14-15 in auction and likely more in a couple weeks. Going to cringe if it goes any higher. but..meh I'd be ok paying a little higher than market value if he can get 3/4 of Ingram's production.

Lil Jordan plays nasty in games. Doesn't translate to practice for whatever reason but who cares if he pulls it together when it counts.

SmashMouth 08-19-2019 08:58 AM

Re: Five key takeaways from Saints' win vs. Chargers: Bridgewater struggles, red zone errors, more
 
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Lord_Saint83 08-19-2019 09:14 AM

Re: Five key takeaways from Saints' win vs. Chargers: Bridgewater struggles, red zone errors, more
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 851379)
Lil Jordan used his size and catching radius to haul in a perfect pass from Taysom. Nothing the defender could do to even whiff it. He looks to be a gamer rather than a practice guy. When I saw him in practice, he was dropping way too many.


Another practice stud was devante harris but was a game day dud. I wasn't sold on lil jordan at the beginning but from these two games has impressed me. I’ll take a gamer over a practice stud any day

SmashMouth 08-19-2019 09:17 AM

Re: Five key takeaways from Saints' win vs. Chargers: Bridgewater struggles, red zone errors, more
 

SmashMouth 08-19-2019 09:19 AM

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jeanpierre 08-19-2019 09:54 AM

Re: Five key takeaways from Saints' win vs. Chargers: Bridgewater struggles, red zone errors, more
 
Fourth down stop was encouraging...

jeanpierre 08-19-2019 09:55 AM

Re: Five key takeaways from Saints' win vs. Chargers: Bridgewater struggles, red zone errors, more
 
Props to Taysom and Kaden Ellis...

Tight Ends Cook, Hill, NT Taylor Stallworth, not so much...



K Major 08-19-2019 10:17 AM

Re: Five key takeaways from Saints' win vs. Chargers: Bridgewater struggles, red zone errors, more
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 851403)
Props to Taysom and Kaden Ellis...

Tight Ends Cook, Hill, NT Taylor Stallworth, not so much...


https://twitter.com/PFF_Saints/statu...61273713020928

Kind of quiet for Taylor thus far ...

I fully expect Cook to heat up once #9 starts tossing the ball around.

Cruize 08-19-2019 10:32 AM

Re: Five key takeaways from Saints' win vs. Chargers: Bridgewater struggles, red zone errors, more
 
-Hill can QB a NFL team.
-Hendrickson showed some life.
-P. Rob made some plays.
-Harris is a legit returner.
-Ellis has skills.

-Grayson is fast and natural.
-Ozigbo is a bigger, smoother, lower pad running guy than Ingram. Steal.
-Humphrey continues to make plays.
-Hardee can play defense AND special teams.
-Lutz and Morstead are the best duo in the NFL.

-Bridgewater is very natural and elusive in the pocket but struggles sometimes when moving from his mark.
-Don't see the Butler hype come game time.
-Crawley didn't help himself.
-TE's have been invisible. Hopefully by design.
-Backup OL is getting banged up.

Barry from MS 08-19-2019 11:19 AM

Re: Five key takeaways from Saints' win vs. Chargers: Bridgewater struggles, red zone errors, more
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cruize (Post 851412)
-Harris is a legit returner.
-Ellis has skills.
-Humphrey continues to make plays.
-Hardee can play defense AND special teams.
-TE's have been invisible. Hopefully by design.

Harris will make Sherels expendable. No way we let him walk to another team now.
Ellis has got the goods to be a solid backup once Robertson moves on.
Lil'Jordan looks ok in practice but flashes big in games...that puts him ahead of Butler imho.
Hardee showed up in regular season last year, but he has improved even more now. He's ready for more PT now.
TE invisibility is by design. No way we show that hand in preseason. Plus we need to see more WR play anyhow.

K Major 08-19-2019 11:28 AM

Re: Five key takeaways from Saints' win vs. Chargers: Bridgewater struggles, red zone errors, more
 
Things can change at the drop of a hat however I actually have Cobbs (has been the most consistent at practice & games) ahead of Butler and Southlake aka Jordan Humphries right now.

Rugby Saint II 08-19-2019 11:32 AM

Re: Five key takeaways from Saints' win vs. Chargers: Bridgewater struggles, red zone errors, more
 
Game three should be smoother for us. In my opinion this is why you need four preseason games to work out the kinks.

Barry from MS 08-19-2019 12:35 PM

Re: Five key takeaways from Saints' win vs. Chargers: Bridgewater struggles, red zone errors, more
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 851424)
Things can change at the drop of a hat however I actually have Cobbs (has been the most consistent at practice & games) ahead of Butler and Southlake aka Jordan Humphries right now.

Cobbs runs better routes and a tad faster; Humphries is better after the catch, a tad bigger and younger. Lil'Jordan is ahead of Cobbs and Butler.

Considering how perfect my evals have always been, it would be best to just concede to my opinion on this one ;)


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