AB Thread No Stats Allowed!
 

Don't remember if this has been done before.

I have been here since '99 (different name) and don't recall seeing it.

How about an AB thread with zero STATISTICS allowed on either side of the debate?

Go with your gut!

I will go first.

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RE: AB Thread No Stats Allowed!
 

AB will never be able to lead this team anywhere without help from the defense. even then he is sketchy at best. however, if we have any hope for him to truly emerge with his many talents and smiling head on straight we will need to see improvment from every person on the field.


or he could just go to another team in the NFC south.

My opinion -- in the past: great physical attributes -- lousy intangibles -- no consistency -- huge cap hit growing even higher next year ---

This year: Improved line, emphasis on simplifying the offense, emphasis on the running game with a healthy enthused Deuce

Prognosis: AB's last chance -- no marked improvement no Saint uniform next year.

To paraphrase a quote from Bull Durham. "Million Dollar arm; Ten Cent Brain!

No stats allowed? Aww, you didn't give the opposition a fair chance with that one. :wink:

But since there are no arguments to support him outside of stats, AB sucks, no stats needed for that one. :P

what don't you call the thread "just trash Brooks". Brooks has a great arm, poor offensive game planning, poor defense, poor offensive line. There is going to be a huge difference this year...

Yes, there had better be a big difference this year. You may see Brooks with a different attitude when McPhearson is breathing down his neck. Rookie or not, Brooks needs to see the handwriting on the wall. Hazlett too.

This is the Dawning of the Age of the Aaron!!!

This is the year you'll see a determined Aaron Brooks lead the team deep into the playoffs...
This is the year you'll see a 85% completion ratio from Aaron...
This is the year you'll see a 4:1 TD:INT ratio from Aaron..
This is the year you'll see Aaron run for 700 yards...
... and don't be surprised if you see a fired-up Brooks pull Bentley from the grill and biatch him up when he misses a block, leaving some spit on Bentley's face...

Read my post -- I agree great arm --but add the following to your poor categories -- poor decision making -- poor reading of the defenses -- poor attitude -- poor leadership =

Can all of this change -- maybe -- but there are a lot of intangibles that most QBs would already have after being 4 years a starter == I am in a wait and see pattern

*sarcasm off*

... actually, this is my "New Coke" post: just like Coke will never say whether New Coke was a huge mistake or one of the greatest marketing schemes ever, I will never tell if I was being sarcastic or I was rooting for Brooks all along...

..it also gives me the chance to play both sides of the fence at the end of the year :)

Just give me a top 10 Defense to go with Aaron Brooks
and the Offense we have and I'll get you a Superbowl
this year!!!

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You may be right, but I doubt it.

I don't doubt it!!!

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i use to love brooks. i still think he has excellent skill. i think he is an excellent athlete. i thought that it would all click last year. it didn't. not all of it arrons fault. has he been over 60% in his career yet for completeion percentage. to be honest i don't know but i don't think he has. it is almost a shame at times because i really think this guy could be a really really good qb. i would like to see him come into his own this year and maybe he will. we can all hope. but if no0t and mcpherson is what he has been said to have the possibility to be, maybe next year he starts. i like that there is a posibility that arron sees someone in the rear mirror. i read like 2 years ago an article by randy mueller where he said that arron had been threatened by haslett that he would benched if his play didnt pick up. well the next three games were his best of the year. so maybe mcpherson does light a fire under his arse

I haven't given up on AB.

Run the ball. It all starts in the trenches. We haven't taken care of that business.


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tallysaint i have said for sometime that it all starts up front on both sides of the ball. i dont care what anyone tells me it all starts up front always.

How do you have a conversation about a football player without stats?

OK - talk about the economy - don't use any numbers or figures. Go!

Or, let's have a conversation about how funny Chevy Chase is, but don't bring up anything pre-1990.

GO!!!!

:|

Is there a Three Amigos exception to that rule? Maybe a Caddy Shack exception?

We could take a walk and you could kiss me on the veranda.
Lips would be fine.

You take drugs, Danny?
Every day.
Good. Then what's your problem?

... you absolutely can have a conversation about football without statistics...


... can you quantify with stats a Barry Sanders run?
... can you quantify with stats Joe Montana's leadership, running the winning drive in the Superbowl?
... can you quantify with stats a Dome Patrol pass rush?
... can you quantify with stats The Immaculate Reception?
... can you quantify Brooks' smile after an interception?
... can you quantify with stats the look of confusion in Tebucky's face after he was caught out of position yet again?
... can you quantify with stats the illness to our stomach when you see the 2-TE formation?

... oh, it goes on and on...

Hey, you got a pool up there?
We've got a pool... and a pond. Pond would be good for you.

Darren Howard is the best DE we have
and stats don't have nothing to do with it!!!!

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A flute without holes is not a flute. A donut without holes is a danish.

Oh, and, I like the new guy's take on our defensive ends. But that would be right now. Smith made greater strides as a rookie than Howard did, so I'm anxious to see what he can do on a fulltime basis.

Your wrong...Howard had an awesome rookie year.
And Smith will be a one great in time!!!

2000 - Finished third on team with a club rookie-record 11 sacks for minus-62 yards, 53 tackles (32 solo), an interception for 46 yards, nine pass defenses, two forced fumbles, and two fumble recoveries...Started all 16 games at LDE and both playoff games...Shattered DE Renaldo Turnbull's previous record for sacks by a rookie (nine-1990) with his 11-sack performance...Also led all NFL rookies in sacks and was named to several All-Rookie teams...Was named NFL Defensive Rookie of the Month for September after compiling 14 tackles (six solo), three sacks for minus-18 yards, a forced fumble, and two passes defensed...Registered first forced fumble of his career at the New Orleans 39 yard line, stopping a Lion scoring drive, vs. Detroit, Sept. 3...Recorded his first two NFL sacks at San Diego, Sept. 10...Posted sacks in three consecutive games: Sept. 24, vs. Philadelphia; at Chicago, Oct. 8; vs. Carolina, Oct. 15...Had a solo tackle, five assisted tackles, a pass defensed, and first career interception return for 46 yards, which he fumbled at the one-yard line, narrowly missing a touchdown at Carolina, Nov. 12...Had three solo tackles, two assisted tackles, a sack for minus-eight yards, and one pass defensed vs. Oakland, Nov. 19...Had three solo tackles, an assisted tackle, a sack for minus-5 yards, two passes defensed and a fumble recovery in win at St. Louis, Nov. 26...Had two solo tackles and a sack for minus-9 yards vs. Denver, Dec. 3, tying Turnbull's rookie record for sacks...Broke the record the following week at San Francisco, Dec. 10, with a sack for minus-9 yards...Had sack in his sixth consecutive game the following week vs. Atlanta, Oct. 22...Tied his career high in tackles with six (four solo) vs. St. Louis, Dec. 24...Started both playoff games and recorded four tackles (three solo).

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Now I don't like you that much.

No, I'm not wrong, I've already burnt through my two this year, and that's the cap.

I watched both play during their rookie seasons, you can throw stats around all you want to on this one, you will not change my mind. It is unfair to compare them based on stats, since Howard STARTED ALL 16 GAMES HIS ROOKIE SEASON, Smith was rotated. And I never said that Howard DIDN'T have a good year. But for what he had to work with, Smith matured faster in his ability than Howard did.

EDIT: FYI- "Your" is the possessive form of you. "You're" is the contraction of "you" and "are"- it is imperative that you get this right.

I've been the biggest Howard fan on this site for a long time, why would I say these things if I didn't believe them???

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Your World Dude!

The reason Smith is in rotated is because
he is not good enough to play ahead Howard.
As you know Howard started in his rookie year,
if Howard hadn't got hurt last year Smith
would have never got in rotated.

Am I crazy, or is this guy completely missing the point?

No, Just want to see how far you will
go with this.

Because you is strange.

8)

Ok, maybe I assumed that you know my personal stance about this team, like alot around here do.

Howard is our best DE. Grant is right there, but Howard trumps Grant. I do not deny that.
What I saw from both, during their rookie years only it appeared to me that Smith made alot more, with the short amount of playing time he had, vs. Howard who made alot with the large amount of playing time he was given. Was Howard the better rookie at the end their respective rookie years? Yes. All I originally said was he made greater strides.

Do you get it?

We alway was on the same page Dude!!!

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